About Action Taken Against Third-Party Tool Users

From Square-Enix: Recently it has come to our attention that an unauthorized third-party software tool was made available to the public. This tool allows players to change their job from anywhere in Vana'diel. In response to this, an emergency maintenance was carried out on Sep. 4 13:00 to 16:00 (PDT) to prevent further use of this tool within FINAL FANTASY XI. As a result of an ongoing investigation, it has been determined that over 600 accounts will be either suspended or terminated for the malicious and intentional use of this third-party tool. We would like to take this time to remind our players that the use of any third-party tools to change or modify the game in any way is strictly prohibited in the PlayOnline environment. We will continue to take any necessary actions against those individuals that we have confirmed to have used such tools. Please note that by using these third-party tools, the consequences may extend beyond action being taken against your account. Some tools may cause character information to be altered, erased, or personal information to be leaked to unwanted third parties. If you come across a third-party tool over the internet, we ask that you please refrain from the download of such a tool, no matter how minor it may appear to be. We thank you for your cooperation and understanding in this matter.

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windower is good for me
# Oct 23 2007 at 4:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Without windower my FFXI will crash out my computer for some strange reason and I will have to restart the whole thing only to have it eventually happen again. Maybe I need a new PC or whatever but if I run with windower the game never crashes. Go figure.
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# Jul 21 2006 at 8:25 PM Rating: Default
its not the GM's, in response to a much earlier post, that "boot you" its either you got D/C'd, or SE booted you, or your game glitched, OR your computer/PS2/XB360 has crashed (if u got an XB its highly unlikely u crashed tho bc u got 6 proccessers in ur unit, each with the power and speed that matches a windows XP. so the computer im typing on only has 1/6th the power of a 360)

hey pplz i would like to ask a question, without getting critisized.

is there a program u can download on your PS2? and if so is there one that you can get to record your on-screen action so that you can like save it as a file? i doubt it but jw. i wanna record stuff that i do in van'diel
Just a thought
# Sep 21 2005 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Please note that by using these third-party tools, the consequences may extend beyond action being taken against your account. Some tools may cause character information to be altered, erased, or personal information to be leaked to unwanted third parties
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You know now that I read this litle thing from what SE said about the use of thrid party tools I have come to figure something out. SE is not tring to stop people from using this third party tools becasue they want to be jerks or because they do not want people to beable to alt-tab out of the game. How would you like it if you went and shelled out 15 mill on your char for something like the Nobles tunic then becuase you were using a third party tool you loged off and came back on and low and behold your bran new extremly over priced armor has vanished from your accout. SE is not tring to hamper people fromplaying the game in a why that you guys feel you have to have with the program to change jobs at will and the windower program alot of people out there think they have to have even though ALL third party programs are against the rules each and every person has agreed on that has wever loged into this game. Do you realize that even though the tool may seem harmless that it could also install with out you ever knowing a key tracker that can monitor everything you type on your computer and that can include your creditcard number and everything the people would need to use that creditcard to use it as they please on line? I think what is going on here is you all want to complain that SE is taking actions to try and protect there players from people getting therer information for malice intent. I think everyone needs to think on this kind of thing before you scream at SE or people like me that are only tring to make the people out ther that complain that they can not use a windoer program or cheats like this one.
I think that all of the people that sit here and complain and b*&@ch that SE is tring to keep you from use a windower they them self chose not to install for a reason that they may have but just have not given you all. Think on this how would you like to find out that your windower program made it so some person was able to get your creditcard then go on a buying spree on it on ebay or something like that and cost you thousands of dollers because there is no true way on line to track where someone it useing a card like that from if they happen to be in a plave that your country may not have any kind of treaties with that can alow the police to do a **** thing. Just think on that for a momnet please before you all state yelling at SE. THEY ARE TRING ONLY TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR GAMING EXPERINCE
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pol-1160
# Sep 14 2005 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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RE: pol-1160
# Sep 14 2005 at 6:07 PM Rating: Decent
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sorry double post , just kinda ticked
still geting the dumb error no info whatsoever at pol
PoL 3100
# Sep 14 2005 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
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just want confirmation that this problem is not on my end. Can not get past "connecting to lobby"
i know maintenance was scheduled for 10:00-12:00.And i dont see anything that says maintenance is complete or still ongoing.
Thanx for any replies, and sorry for double post
POL 3100
# Sep 14 2005 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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info please
# Sep 14 2005 at 12:38 PM Rating: Default
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Help! sorry, just logged to ffxi and cant find out how long it will be down anyone know? there is no info at the game site. Yes its probably cuz of the Ddos again nothing knew and I am not complaining just asking Please help
RE: info please
# Sep 14 2005 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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maintenance !! LOL
www.playonline.com has that information.
shut up or do something about it (a.k.a. leave)
# Sep 14 2005 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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seriously now people. rules are rules. if you use illegal substances in the US and get caught you get arrested. now change illegal substances to third party software and change the US to FFXI. im sure that is simple enough for everyone to understand.



if i miss-spelled anything, I DONT CARE!!!
oh and yeah you can rate me how ever you want cause i dont care about that either.
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#KingOfTheThieves, Posted: Sep 14 2005 at 5:58 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) FFXI is down here in Europe for already 4 days i pee on SE ***** them! >_<
RE: FUCK SE! THIS IS MADNESS
# Sep 14 2005 at 6:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Ehm.. I know several people from Europe (myself included), and I've been able to log in just fine.

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fac ut vivas
# Sep 14 2005 at 12:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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What about programs like fraps? Is using fraps violating copyrights? You can go on and on.


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Machaveli, I'm having a hard time understanding what part of my post you had trouble with. "Clarify?" I'm sorry, but I really think that "I don't care whether it's malicious or not" was pretty clear as to what I meant.

And, the fact that there's no Moogle in Selbina is key to my point. In my example, for Omi to have been able to do what he did, he would have had to have used an outside program that allows him to circumvent the coding for the game. I don't deal in "if." "If" SquareEnix wanted players of Final Fantasy XI to play their game in a window, SquareEnix would have released the game with the ability to play it in a window in 2003.

Not to beat a point after it's already dead,but someone else made that program, and released it. That is the definition of a "Third Party Program." And, as this entire thread has stated, Third Party Programs are forbidden in the world of Final Fantasy XI. Use one, and you are violating the rules you agreed to. Violate the rules you agreed to, and you deserve to be removed from the society in which you violated the rules. Or, am Istill being unclear as towhat I mean?


Yes, technically Fraps is violating the TOS; however, so is Windows itself. Windows itself is a third party program. Even before Windows there was DOS which is a third party program. Anything running on your computer when you log in is a third party program. I think someone already mentioned that S-E is interested in programs that 'alter' the FFXI game. A standard windower should not. Fraps does not. So is S-E going to ban you for it? probably not because I don't see how anything would send a flag to S-E's FFXI police.

We are the ones giving S-E money. We are the ultimate authority when it comes to how S-E does business because without us S-E has no business. I can and do demand S-E deal with gil-sellers and cheaters in a clear, concise, and responsible manner. Banning someone because they had to use a windower to play the game is not a responsible action and hense it is unexceptable. Sure I as an individual make no difference to S-E but the entire player base does and when people start modifying their actions to further what they 'want' S-E will listen. My point is simple. We are the boss not S-E. If we don't want cheaters then we demand S-E get rid of them. If we don't want gilsellers we demand S-E get rid of them. Most importantly we do our part too. So what if a GM says 'I can't do anything', log a petition anyhow. The log will be saved and if they get enough petitions then they 'can' do something even if one person's testimony is not enough.

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Then it hit me... SE WANTS you to be running around huge regions. If there were mages everywhere like the one in Windy that warps you to the other side of Windy, you would be getting things done faster. Why do we have to sit and wait on an airship to get back from Kahzam when SE could place a mage there that could warp you there?

The answer has to do with the fact that this is a fee-based game. Each month you get billed so-and-so amount of money. You keep playing to advance your character to further yourself, help your friends, and adventure to new places. (or whatever reason you play for) If you could do this faster, the sooner you'd get bored with the game and cancel your account. (To each his own. I'll be playin' until they only have one server left open) but you see where I'm going with this. They want you running around. Changing jobs at will is bad for them as you arent spending that time running from a homepoint for half an hour.

Let's face these sad facts:
Could SE put a nomad moogle in Selbina? Yes. Would it be easy for them to do it? Yes.
Would it help the players LVing in the Valkurm Dunes? Yes.

...but they don't. They want you waiting on a raise or running to a city with an AH. They love you spend time playing because aside from time, you're aldo spending money.


There is no moogle in Selbina because it is not necessary. It is also not 'necessary' to get a raise if you die lvling in the Dunes. I am tired of hearing people over LS chat 'demand' a raise in the Dunes. The reason Whm's don't get raise until lvl 25 is because you don't need it. What you do need are home points and there are two of those in the Dunes and one in Selbina. In Qufim there are two as well. You can easily deathport to whatever your HP is and get back to lvling. Anyone who has even approached high levels knows that the xp you loose from dieing in Kazham is a joke let alone the xp you loose in the Dunes or Qufim. There is no massive conspiracy theory trying to cheat you out of money. The reason you can't warp everywhere is to force you to 'experience' the game. FFXI is a visually stunning game and I myself am rarely bored while riding a chocobo or walking wherever I need to go and I've been playing for about one and a half years now.


I've played WoW too and recently went back to it to see the new content. After a month I am done with it and will probably wait another half year before seeing more content. I believe a friend of mine said it best; WoW is the most polished and well refined incomplete game he ever played. I doubt Blizzard will ever get their act together and will eventually run WoW into the ground.

FFXI on the other hand is the second MMORG I have played. (EVE being the first) I think I will always 'return' to FFXI even though I may take a break from time to time. At least that is what I have been doing so far. Maybe that is what some people need; to take a break and fac ut vivas.
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RE: fac ut vivas
# Sep 14 2005 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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ah you see SE will never get rid of gil buying or selling, for one reason. any legit company selling gil over the internet has, or will have a contract with SE giving SE a % of there proffits. so as long as SE recieves part of the proffits from gil buying/selling this problem will not go away. But i do commend SE for trying to balance out the gil buy/sell buy making a couple of hot items rare/ex, as well as all of the new NM drops, not (HNM). I applaud you SE for attempting to do the right thing while stabbing your honest customers in the back.
Well done.
RE: fac ut vivas
# Sep 14 2005 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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im not even going into the reason

this is biggest piece of drivel ive ever read in here

RE: fac ut vivas
# Sep 14 2005 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
unamedavenger... you are a ******* moron...

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RE: fac ut vivas
# Sep 14 2005 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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wow may i have that repsonse on Dvd? it was a classic. gilfarmers do not pay square a cent, thats one of the reasons square is ****** but they are paying for the accounts, thats the sourceable income square will get. gilsellers basticlly are making a profit off of squares game. that and the players of the game feel their farming/intake of the gil is Pwned. making other people quit. this of course is making square scream in terror. now the issue of this Fact is deadined we dont suffer the income loss as we did before. but our Eco's AH pricing/Relic curentcy has raised uberly. And square slightly lowering teh sellers main sources of income ticked them totally off, hence teh onyl way to make the cash tehy before is to double/triple some of the items.i can not periodly blame gilsellers, it is us as well we too suffer the same fate. but if we push on sooner or later gil will not be a issue. it will be like phantasy star online blue burst where people dont even use cash anymore. they use phoron drops. i used to farm the heck out of them and got everysingle item that was 1337 period to the game. of course this bored me to death and i huged ffxi fully again.
RE: fac ut vivas
# Sep 17 2005 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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The fact is SE knows who the gil sellers are and does nothing about them, I read on pol.com about how 600 ppl etc. were booted from FFXI for misc. reasons, and you are telling me SE doesnt know about gil sellers? If you are a true FFXI gamer odds are u know at least 1-2 Gil sellers in the server you are in. You know and SE doesnt? lmao yea right. The fact is SE is getting paid so they look away until profits start droping.
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RE: fac ut vivas
# Sep 14 2005 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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thank you for taking apart most of these complaints. im sick of hearing all this ignorant complaing.





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windower illegal? NOT
# Sep 13 2005 at 9:15 PM Rating: Decent
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after reading through the posts on this article I did a bit of research, NOTHING, I mean NOTHING in the TOS says we cannot use a windower or any other 3rd party program that does not modify game code

this is the closest to the point from each
the POL user agreemant
(i) Use of any cheat codes or cheat devices

the FFXI user agreement

(g) Use of any cheat codes or cheat devices.

there is nothing in any windowers I can find that violate these. not to mention the only ways SE can know your using them is if you say it outloud which would be very stupid on your part or if they hack your system which is illegal by international laws, now if your using programs outside of the windowers I have no mercy for you

Edited, Tue Sep 13 22:37:02 2005
RE: windower illegal? NOT
# Sep 15 2005 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
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PlayOnline Member Agreement wrote:
To the maximum extent permitted by law, you may not:
(a) Modify, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software;



3rd-party programs modify the software. People who write 3rd-party programs generally need to reverse engineer the game to find how to interact with it. Your argument is invalid.
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RE: windower illegal? NOT
# Sep 20 2005 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Correction no decompilation needed no reverse engineering nor disassembly required catch the calls on the network make a Direct X component and send the calls from there Legal Windower make your own no third party involved.
RE: windower illegal? NOT
# Sep 14 2005 at 12:22 AM Rating: Decent
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there is nothing in any windowers I can find that violate these.


I don't even have FFXI for PC and i can tell you something thats cheating in windowers. Some pluggins or something (maybe its the whole windower, idk, i dont have it for pc) let you see you pt members TP and other stuff, but i cant say exactly what (i think your xp, some mob stats, and i forget what else).

And SE thinks a windower makes cheating easier, but if you know how to make a windower you most likely know how to make a hack without needing a windower (that sounded kinda weird, but i mean so that the hack wont need to have ffxi windowed). If they think you use the windower to cheat, then it could be considered a cheating device, except they do it backwards like in china and say youre guilty until proven innocent, so you have windower, youre cheater.

this game sucks more with everyupdate
# Sep 13 2005 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Everytime they update or do emergency fixups with this game it makes it even harder for peeps that started later then the gilsellers. Wow let's make droprates longer and change things to ex/rare. Now not only can i afford to buy anything bling but now the prices are jacked up even more. And forget about synthing. By the time i ever get up in ranks synthing i'd either lose my girlfriend or my house cuz i forgot to pay my morgage. Now i heard that these gilselling bastards can steal stuff out of your bazarr! WTF!!! These retards at Square Enix can't outsmart gilsellers! Like the GM's don't notice the mining bots or that Angel person on Remora camping the spooks in King Ramperts Tomb for like the last 6 months! Riiiiight! These guys need to get off their asses and stop ignoring obvious flagrent Bot activities for starters
RE: this game sucks more with everyupdate
# Sep 26 2005 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
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all i'm saying is this game let gilsellers run wild on this game well before they decided to rare/ex items and making drops so hard to get. So now i'd have to play the game twice as long then when it started to gather gear and items i need. when i read threads about crafting and it only taking a million to get to 60 in goldsmithing for example. Now it **** near takes 50-100 million to go the distance. that's depressing. N e one have any ideas on that give me a tell sometime or leave a post
RE: this game sucks more with everyupdate
# Sep 13 2005 at 8:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I haven't heard one **** ******* thing about Gilsellers in this thread... Please shut your mouth...

Tons of people just come out of no where, ******** their ******* heads off... Then quit the game and go play WoW you ******* pansy's...

SE is doing a good job with Gilsellers I think, remember they have some rules to follow.

You, The PLAYER need to be able to outsmart the Gilsellers as well, make him admit he is one and call a GM, he'll be taken out in seconds...

And about the Bazaar hack, people aren't even sure if it's true. So please, get your ******* facts straight and come back for more... Pansy.
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RE: this game sucks more with everyupdate
# Sep 13 2005 at 9:21 PM Rating: Default
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SE has stated that gil selling is legal by their TOS as long as the seller does not do anything to harm another player or use bot programs/scripts to do it.... so getting them to admit they are gil sellers doesnt mean NAYTHING unless they harm other players or you can get them to admit they use a bot program/script
RE: this game sucks more with everyupdate
# Sep 15 2005 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Umm last time I checked the tos it stated that you are not to perform "real money transactions for in game gill/items".
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# Sep 13 2005 at 7:21 PM Rating: Default
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i took a look into these programs, and decided to try and make my own, (not for actual use mind you, i send alot of retarded rant mails to se, i thought this might help them lol) anyway, i eventually took the program called X-link kai, a program to run an lan ps2 game on the internet, I simply modified this program and i experimented with it, i foud that i could change things on my ps2 ff11 throught my computer, simply by tracking the isp of my ps2, i ended up having a WHM/WAR with charm and call wyvern (as well as a few thingts i took off splinter cell and stuck in), i got booted by a gm almost immediatly, but i went back on, got my guy back up with this program, and deleted the file before they locked out my credit card, i figured they might do this if they saw me on with it again. before anyone goes and says im a liar, go, learn to hack, find some programs that can be modified just slightly to fit your purposes
(x-link kai's internet tracking for example),find the game you want tracked, and have fun, please dont send me hate mail (i am aware that i will prolly be rated down, but i think this is a topic worthy of post)thanks for listening, for all non-beleivers, learn to hack. face reality.
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RE: a lil tweek
# Sep 15 2005 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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i got booted by a gm almost immediatly,


GMs don't boot. They take you to the Mordion Gaol, explain what they're charging you with, and take action. They particularly don't boot 'immediatly' - they wait and observe that you are in fact cheating, and not just being affected by some sort of glitch. I don't know much about hacking, but in light of this and the previous poster's comments, as well as the fact that your sig links to a gil-selling pyramid scheme, I'll assume that part is BS as well. You, sir, are an imbecile.

Edited, Thu Sep 15 21:45:32 2005
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RE: a lil tweek
# Sep 13 2005 at 8:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow, what a ******* liar...

Hey buddy, explain this to me, "as well as a few things I took off splinter cell and stuck in."

You're such a pimp that you can get "Heat Seeking Goggles," on FFXI? Mind you all character information is saved SERVER Side. It's more than impossible to randomly take things from Splinter Cell and "Stick it in" FFXI...

Though I'm sure it's possible you can get a WAR/WHM with Charm and Such if you were to be stupid enough to take the time to write something up and glitch out the system... But from editing X-Link? Yeah, quite unlikely...

I think you're living a dream and that YOU, sir, need to face reality.
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FFXI Down
# Sep 13 2005 at 4:30 PM Rating: Default
I know that it sucks that we can't have third party programs for this game, but FFXI is the sole property of Square Enix. They can do what ever they like with their product. But on to something else.

I heard that Playonline is down due to hackers. I know the myself and a friend of mine cannot log on. Is this connected to the kicking of so many players off-line? There seems to be enough motivation for it, but is there any truth to this?
insert Addons like WoW
# Sep 13 2005 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
I can believe SE would do this, in WoW we are allowed to have all types of addins and customizing the user interface is actually encouraged b/c it really helps the massive team aspect of "instances" or bcnms at endgame. I have over 20 addons that speed up modifying my character like instance armor and weapons switching, detailed maps of dungeons with mob pops marked off etc. I kinda think as a player of both games that SE wants you to keep running from Selbina to Bastok to change jobs etc. all day instead of getting endgame stuff done. Instant job changing would probably have sped up the game considerably. For instance, Whm leaves (god how many times has this happened >_<) Ranger #1: "np i can switch jobs to Whm/Blm just look for another DD OR keep going", Rangers #2-3, "good idea we got it under control." This would rule in a game where leveling parties are so crucial to advancing. Thats my 2g anyhoo.
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RE: insert Addons like WoW
# Sep 13 2005 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Exactly what Elix said... "Hey lets go into a capped area and than change jobs so that cap is no longer required for me."

Do you enjoy seeing people who think they are Jesus because they don't have a cap? **** right...

You can continue to play your, "Modify our game and you're king!" WoW, but don't expect the same thing from a game that has moral values.
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RE: insert Addons like WoW
# Sep 13 2005 at 7:32 PM Rating: Decent
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What's the point of defining rules and game mechanics if you're going to let any old hacker come in and adjust them however they want? The ability to change jobs anywhere, even without getting HP/MP restored, would put a player at a major advantage over everyone else who didn't have that program. On top of that, it's a hack - some random hacker is most likely not going to make sure that his code doesn't ***** with other aspects of the game. Heck, people have even noted that they've been able to see the Nomad Moogle in random locations as a result of other people using the hack. Perhaps it's also creating extra lag on the server. Maybe it's damaging someone's character data. We don't know.

This isn't just something that alters the user's interface. It's adjusting the state of the server forcibly, in ways that even the hacker who wrote the thing is probably not aware of, and that's obviously not good for server stability.
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RE: insert Addons like WoW
# Sep 13 2005 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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The problem with being able to jobchange anywhere is that all your /ja timers (except 2hr) and your HP/MP reset back to full.

Endless Barrage, anyone?
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What about SE complicity?
# Sep 13 2005 at 1:33 AM Rating: Good
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I've read through this thread and I havn't seen much with regards to SE's own complicity in the third party software situation. Early MMORPGs such as Everquest quickly learned that the trusted client architecture is bad and leads to problems like item duping or in FFXI's case, inapropriate job changes. If you don't want third party apps showing other peoples TP, just don't send it. If you don't want them changing jobs at inapropriate times, just don't do whatever the client tells you to. A more secure architecture would remove the "people will cheat if they can play the game in windowed mode" excuse.

People will play in windowed mode no matter what SE does. They'll also try to cheat no matter what. Dealing with that preemptivly is part of SE's job.

For the record, I play on the PS2, I'm also a software engineer and firmly beleive that SE's bad design is not a reason to deny end-users a simple feature they obviously want.
RE: What about SE complicity?
# Sep 13 2005 at 8:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree that they should make a first party windower, maybe just setup security tabs on people..

If people want a Windower, slap one on for em... But I don't think this should be done unless SE assures satisfaction of banning someone from using third party apps, or finds a way to negate the fact they can(maybe just add a browser to the game... But they'll figure out hacks for that.).
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RE: What about SE complicity?
# Sep 13 2005 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Exactly!! This is what I was getting at, or trying to get at anyway. Poor engineering leads to problems. I have game programming experience and you don't need to make a PS2 program as secure as you would a Windows program, simply because of the platform, and that shouldn't come as much of a surprise to anyone. Sadly, if you don't keep Windows in mind when designing an architecture, which I think it's safe to say SE did not, you're left with a decent PS2 program and a piece of swiss cheese running in a Windows environment. Right now they're reaping the rewards of a poor design phase and it's their customers who are paying.

Oh yeah. Rated up :)
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RE: What about SE complicity?
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This is probably the smartest post I've read on here in a good long while. Rated up!
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problem to log in lobby server
# Sep 12 2005 at 11:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a problem to log in the lobby server, what is wrong with the server? Is anyone has problem with it? Please let me know. I hope it is not just me has this problem =(

thank you
RE: problem to log in lobby server
# Sep 13 2005 at 5:13 AM Rating: Decent
I have 3 accounts, and cannot log into any of them, from any of my 11 computers. My network is just fine (I'm posting, aren't I?). This is B.S. The worst part, is that they obviously have a problem, but aren't posting anything to let us know there's a problem. My wife tried on her laptop for half an hour, then thought it must be Norton, and disabled and deleted it. All because there's no info on server problems posted on any site. Guh.

Edit: I finally logged into the game. I now note that there is a headline in POL about this problem. I apologise. However, I do wish there was a statement on their website. If there is, and I haven't found it, I apologise again.

Edited, Tue Sep 13 07:42:11 2005
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RE: problem to log in lobby server
# Sep 13 2005 at 3:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah this is happening to me aswell, has been for a while now.
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RE: problem to log in lobby server
# Sep 13 2005 at 12:55 AM Rating: Default
im having the same problem probably more attks or something
RE: problem to log in lobby server
# Sep 13 2005 at 6:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Likewise, since Midnight EST.. deja vu?
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# Sep 12 2005 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Rate down for not being able to speak with SEMI-PLAUSIBLE grammar.

Just so you are aware, scrapegoat isn't a word, nor would it make sense in slang terms, "Shankbat."


rate down for being wrong. It's Scapegoat, not scrapegoat. And it IS a real word. dumbass
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RE: dumbass
# Sep 12 2005 at 9:05 PM Rating: Good
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yep, it is a real word I didn't get what he meant by saying it wasn't earlier but now I see ^^
I leave this for him:
www.dictionary.com

Edit: wtf is shankbat???

Edited, Mon Sep 12 22:20:06 2005
RE: dumbass
# Oct 04 2005 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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wtf is shankbat???


that would be a term used in prison for spomeone that is looking to be shanked. What is a shank a shank is some kind of weapon made to concel in your hand so a guard will not see it uslay made from some kind of hard plastic or if your lucky and get some kind of metal to make one out of. They mainly use them to hurt or kill people in prison that creat trouble for other inmates or the prison sniches
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a way for people to stop bitching^^
# Sep 12 2005 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
Here is a way to deal with this whole problem (for ps2 users only)
purchase a high end video capture card, rerout your video and audio output from your ps2 into your computer, and get a switchable splitter for your keyboard to go into both your ps2 and computer. This should allow you to run ffxi, from you ps2, in a windowed mode on your computer screen^^ while still having access to the rest of your computer
RE: a way for people to stop bitching^^
# Sep 12 2005 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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this legal?
RE: a way for people to stop bitching^^
# Sep 13 2005 at 7:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes, this is legal. You're only outputting video to the computer, and as such, you can't access any data about the program running on the PS2 at the time, which is the whole problem SE has with the windower to begin with.

Not a bad solution, although a bit convoluted :)
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RE: a way for people to stop bitching^^
# Sep 13 2005 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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i do that at my friends house lol, you Cant cheat because teh gamei s off a simple tv box :) well if Square made this (a modem box) so teh game is off a window and you cant access or add anything period, and the function of fullscreening. But yea seeing square put the money into those harddrives why not a modem, you will make a quick buck(Sqaure). i dunno it doenst sound likea bad idea. i used a multi tap for my 3 pc's while i work but are on one cable modem, gotta goe buy a multitap for my modem as well. one montor just 3 pcs ones for work another for game stuff and another for ffxi and other online games so it doesnt waste all my harddrive space :). thats the ups for working in the big Gil*cough* cashy worlds. but luts see if square could build a FFXI(only) modem. it would bing you directly to the playonline. and the modem could make its own server ping. making the lag a lil less painful. i dunno just a idea
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# Sep 12 2005 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I play on ps2, i have a laptop. If i need info, i open laptop, look it up. So basically everyone just needs a second computer. or they can suck it up, deal and with it.
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Has this happened to you...?
# Sep 12 2005 at 3:53 PM Rating: Good
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I was at my friends house the other night playing XI on his PS2 (having forgot mine). So there I was in the middle of South Sandy trying to raise my enhancing skill, I had just used up most of my MP and rested for another round when all of a sudden a Moogle appears out of nowhere!
At first I thought "whoa! is this another event planned by SE???" After awhile I became suspicious seeing that no one was crowding around it. I stood up, ran up to it and targeted him. Upon selecting him this the usual text appeared as though I were in my mog "Hello Master! kupo~... blah blah blah! not important..." Right after this the Moogle diappeared but the sub menu appeared at the bottom left. it displayed:

-Mog Safe
-Change Jobs
-Deliveries

As though it were a nomad moogle. So my question is..."WTF is this???" Has this happened only to me? Can a PS2 user run 3rd party programs?

Please reply.

Edited, Mon Sep 12 17:01:56 2005
RE: Has this happened to you...?
# Sep 12 2005 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Strangley yes, this has happened to me a few times in Lower Jeuno, not sandy though.
I tried checking him, i could look at my safe, but i couldnt do anything with it, nor change jobs.
After i checked him, he disappeared leaving me quite confused. So, although i have no idea why this happens, i can say your not alone... kinda
RE: Has this happened to you...?
# Sep 12 2005 at 4:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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This "odd" glitch probably has something to do with a lag spike causing your game to 'jump.'

It's happen to me in Jeuno as well... Crazy CRAZY stuff
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RE: Has this happened to you...?
# Sep 13 2005 at 7:13 PM Rating: Default
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Na, you guys were probably high like last time that happened to me :)
SE needs to crack on Bots
# Sep 12 2005 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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SE really should spend their efforts on bots that assist in NM claims. There're still bots that help in claiming NM before they appear on screen. If SE can resolve this issue, then all would be good.

Now about the widower issue. Some windowers also provide a plugin program that provide status on mobs %, parties/alliances TP and %. This is not what SE wanted, possible why they won't add a window minimizer for FFXI. I played diablo II and used a simple maphack that came out before blizzard did their initial warnings. You simply minimize the game, turn on the hack and your set. Made Cow world much easier. I believe, imo, this is what SE is trying to avoid, having programs run in the background.

There's hundreds of pictures of players clearly using this plugin showing stats and such. I'm surprise SE doesn't use these pictures as a start. And you have non-SE sites that host these pictures but say they adhere to the SE terms.

What about programs like fraps? Is using fraps violating copyrights? You can go on and on.

I like FFXI to minimize with ease. Its difficult when my antivirus kills FFXI because of some update. We all learn to plan ahead when lvling near Selbina or Mhara. This is all stuff we all lived with.
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scapegoat
# Sep 12 2005 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
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well at least this is a new topic,and not beating that old dead horse topic rate up for a new crime against square.
#Aitler, Posted: Sep 12 2005 at 3:24 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Rate down for not being able to speak with SEMI-PLAUSIBLE grammar.
I got a confession to make
# Sep 12 2005 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I have purchased this game, and expansions for both PS2 and Windows. I love my PC and this game looks/plays better on my PC (besides the obvious advantage of the DualShock). I recently re-baselined my PC and my Direct3D will not work, i have re-installed drivers and directX and pretty much every thing that i could read on the forums (btw, if anyone has had this same problem, let me know what you did to correct it) anyway, on software alone i have spent over $150, plus monthly fees since April 2004. 12.50x16=$200.
basically, i've spent over $350 to play this game and even though my PC is overqualified to play this game, i can't play it, until i read that a windower program could run the game despite the Direct3D problem. I have no "malicious intent" and i do not use this program to cheat (don't even know how i could) all i want to do is get my moneys worth to play the game that i love. I believe in the ethics of the game, i don't buy/sell gil or items and i certainly can't warp all over the place. I find that my running on a windower necessary to play the game(until i can fix my problem, so please, tell me how). If i lose my account due to this...i don't know. anyway, let me know what you guys think; is this wrong, am i somehow ruining the game or cheating? if you think so, feel free to tell me ^^. Enjoy the game, don't cheat, play as you can. laterz.

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RE: I got a confession to make
# Sep 12 2005 at 1:19 PM Rating: Default
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i have had windower in the past and i saw nothing wrong with it... there wasnt any ways to cheat that i could see apart from have 2 accounts and playing them at the same time, but ppl do that all the time with PC and PS2 accounts anyways so SE isnt loseing any money by anyone doing that.. the other thing is that it shows everyones TP which, as any melee person would know, helps out a tremendous amount in getting a skillchain organized without spamming TP calls every 10 seconds... anyways.. i wouldnt say there is anything wrong with it especially in your situtation.. i would keep on useing it if its the only way to get ffxi to work.. sorry for being a lil long winded but i have a 2 hour break between classes and nothing else to do ^^
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# Sep 12 2005 at 12:51 PM Rating: Default
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What a great idea for a program!

Too bad it got busted ; ;

If they would just add a **** nomad moogle in selbina, none of this would have ever happened.
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RE: woot
# Sep 12 2005 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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haha.. i've been sayin that they need a nomad moogle in selby for about 2 years.... i don't understand why they dont have 1... lame...
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