Video of Absolute Virtue Released!!

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Today will see the release, in video format, of a helpful hint concerning that most notorious of notorious monsters, Absolute Virtue.

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# Feb 17 2008 at 5:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Truthfully, I don't think we can learn everything just by the video. Its fairly certain that this weakness AV involves using 2-hrs more often. The only way to know for sure, and learn anything new involving this new trick, it will have to be tested out. Preferably with a very large alliance, since no one is 100% sure on what to do.
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Here's another thought, although I admit I am very likely overlooking something.

As BatteringRamDestroyer pointed out, on the second Zoom-in section, you see 3 Benedictions. I'll be the first to admit my logic may be flawed, but if we look at it from the perspective of purpose, why did 3 whms 2hr? If it was merely "just because they can" since the dust cloud will reset the timers (or whatever it does, this is still up to debate), why all three? It could be because they are in the three parties of the alliance, but if you look at the healing numbers, only two people actually gained any HP, of those, only one gained more than 100 (I believe it was 175). Since this was the pld, that wouldn't even put him in the yellow. This leads me to believe theres a further purpose for the 2hrs. Of course, as I've said already, I may just be missing something. Three whms using Benediction "just because" doesn't make much sense to me, I'm more inclined to think it's something like what Aeges says, that the 2hrs somehow disrupt AV's 2hr. But if that is so, it must be something that requires a massive output of 2hrs, since we never see less than 7 at one time.

Another interesting tidbit, and something I believe may support that we're missing something, the main tank, Elmaulle, 2hrs before AV uses any 2hrs, then, according to the magic box, he 2hrs again *just before* AV uses Soul Voice. Now, I really only bring this up as a curiosity, since it's more likely that it was just lag that caused his 2hr to appear first, but I thought I would mention it.
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FYI, the DRK is using Apoc (Which is the real reason they are winning. XD Ok, kidding), not an earth staff... Common mistake, Im sure. >.>

There was a post on the FFXIWiki board which caught my eye.

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Maybe the reason behind using 2hr after his is that he uses your 2hr? Meaning, if your timer is up he can use it, if it is down he can't. To me this would make sense of every benediction always being used.


So far everything is speculation, we need some tests before we can get a basis to AVs weakness... Sadly its not like SE, where we can pop AV when we feel like it.
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# Feb 14 2008 at 6:25 PM Rating: Default
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does using your 2hr right after AV negate/dipel it only if it is the same 2hr as AV used... or can it be any 2hr

Obviouslty there is some kind of 2hr refresh thing going on (although whether it applies to a 2hr used earlier, or only one used as AV uses its is another question)

All I know is one of the best LS's in existance (Apathy on remora, one of the few to have already killed AV - albeit a long time ago before SE "adjusted it" is **** bent on killing it atm (about 3 goes on JoL in as many days - wodner why) but no AV yet if they're telling the truth.)

Guessing the all the other sea LS's on every other server is pretty much living breathing sleeping JoL atm. Could anyone who has actually popped AV post anything they have found on here... far more interesting than my (and everyone one elses) guessing games
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# Feb 14 2008 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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From what i see he usesd the two hours of the people in the party, notice no mnks or wars were in the party.


IF this turns out to be true... then the newer jobs, ie: BLU, DNC, PUP ect. would be viable melee members for this fight. AV would not have the 2hrs or the spells/dances/ect. to go with them.

Another thing I found interesting from another site was this....

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Jailer of Love section of the video: Astri starts casting Thundaga III on the Ru'phuabo. Thundaga III makes his main job Black Mage.

Absolute Virtue section of the video: Astri uses Call Wyvern. Call Wyvern makes his main job Dragoon.

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# Feb 14 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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From what i see he usesd the two hours of the people in the party, notice no mnks or wars were in the party.
good video but AV is still near impossible
# Feb 14 2008 at 2:27 AM Rating: Decent
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WOW this video taught me nothing.. AV uses 2HRs of ppl who is engaged with it. Hence there is not one ninja & Warrior & Ranger there. That is is why no WHM is engaged to it.... The only thing it shows is he gives free 2HRs which is an good thing but its not enough to make AV fight a walk in the park. Becuase if you use your 2HR before he uses his you have to wait 2 hours, and AV DOESN'T spam 2HRs so it takes some skill to actually kill him. Not just countless 2HR'ing. But i was away from the game for a year since then.. maybe they changed him...

still sad being AV being killed. Hes one badass Boss and is an blast to fight even tho we wiped its was fun being some of the few ppl to give it a try.

P.S 100% sure they were on an Lan server with means very very little lag and delay. try that on the real servers and it'll be ALOT harder to time it. Plus all the AFKs and RL stuff ;P AV fight is a very very very very long one.. lol

SE needs to make more VHNM - very high NMs like AV. monsters that need some sort of trick to kill and let ppl try to figure it out.
good video but AV is still near impossible
# Feb 14 2008 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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The only thing it shows is he gives free 2HRs which is an good thing but its not enough to make AV fight a walk in the park. Becuase if you use your 2HR before he uses his you have to wait 2 hours, and AV DOESN'T spam 2HRs so it takes some skill to actually kill him. Not just countless 2HR'ing. But i was away from the game for a year since then.. maybe they changed him...

I didn't understand what you meant. This fight is not supposed to be a walk in the park. If his 2 hour resets yours, then you use your two hour first (just as the PLD in the video did), then again after he uses his, then again after his next one.. so on and so forth just as it was displayed in the Video.

Most two hour JA are enough to turn the tide of any battle. If you can use yours everytime he uses his he definitely becomes beatable (I didn't say easy). This is especially true if you can limit what two hours he uses.

You would think with all of the Windower users out there, someone would have noticed the two hour reset sooner.

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# Feb 13 2008 at 9:28 PM Rating: Decent
I posted this in reply to someone also, but i thought it would get more notice at the top ~.^ sorry for the double post


I studied the AV fight over and over for about 45 minutes, and here is all the data that i found important from the video, all that is contained in the zoom in bits. I myself couldnt find anything in it, however i have never fought AV, perhaps someone else can.

1st zoom in: (0:00-0:07)
AV does not appear to have used any 2hr, Elmaulle (PLD/NIN) uses invincible, and ALOT of thunder spells go off as soon as lightningsday

2nd zoom in: (6:47-5:02??) - time jumps from 6:57 lightningsday to 5:02 lightningsday
AV uses Soul Voice
13 2hrs are used, 8 people are in range of the dust cloud, the following people use 2hrs:
Elmaulle (Invincible for a second time as soon as the dust cloud appeared)
Pompumyonmapu (BLM)
Basu (WHM)
Roopelope (WHM)
Iws (BLM)
Dreamrainbow (SAM)
Astri (DRG)
Ruriri (WHM)
Rasopomosopo (SMN)
Sibigobi (BLM)
Oruu (BLM)
Hupapa (BRD)
Hina (BRD)
Yanono (DRK)
Chakiki (RDM
Houjuhkye

3rd zoom in: (5:02-5:11)
AV uses Chainspell
3 2hrs are used, 7 people are in range of the dustcloud, the following people use 2hrs:
Popumyonmapu (BLM)for a second time
Hina (BRD)for a second time
Chakiki (RDM)for a second time
Notes: Also as soon as all the 2hrs are done, the DRK runs towards AV engaged, not sure if that has any impact or not

4th zoom in: (12:06-12:12) [iceday]
AV uses Call Wyvren
7 2hrs are used, ? people are in range of the dustcloud, the following people use 2hrs:
Popumyonmapu (BLM) for a THIRD time
Ryl (PLD)
Rasopomosopo (SMN) for a second time
Astri (DRG) for a second time
Arefelie (RDM)
Hina (BRD)for a THIRD time
Sibigobi (BLM) for a second time

aside from that, only odd thing is the time glitches, i've never fought AV myself but i doubt it is a n 8hr+ fight, there is an RDM meleeing him with a staff for some reason. thats all

EDIT: One thing that scares me, if SE is going to give us hints on how to beat AV, does this mean that something even stronger is in the making??

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# Feb 13 2008 at 8:55 PM Rating: Default
Ok, A hint is a hint. I don't want anymore in depth hinty type syuff, lets get that out of the road. Some more information from SE about this fight would be nice though, like setup and duration. I would also like to know if this video is just the hints or from an actuall AV kill, that would also be nice.
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Seven two hours by players are used after AV uses one

also the two hours probably act like a "Debuff" in that one of the seven two hours "lands" on him and debuffs him, causing the 2 hour refresh people were noticing, and possibly stopping his "pwn" mode that he goes into

seven is probably the hint, but i dunno.
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Well I guess the next statement is obvious..... who is going to check it. I think someone needs to take on AV with all the major nasty 2hr jobs (chainspell benediction etc) within melee range and with 2hr macro'd in for when AV goes. Good luck to whoever tried it, and I think I'm safe in saying that even with this major hint, it still wont be an easy fight.
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with 2hr macro'd in for when AV goes.


Most people probably won't need to macro it... BRD, BLM, BLU, NIN, PUP, RDM, SMN, and WHM all have 1-3 Job Abilities anyway (excluding merited JAs) and assuming the condition of refreshing your JA is that you fire it off when AV does, it would suck to accidentally hit the wrong macro and waste it.

Still, a bunch of 2HRs over and over can't hurt. The question still remains... how do you lock out or negate AV's Benediction? Sure his AF and Mijin may be deadly but it's Benediction that will reset the fight and werck everything.
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Found a solution... Got a program called StreamDown which has a 15 day trial. Downloaded the file and it works like a charm in VLC now (strangely, WMP won't play it even though it's a WMV file). SDP Downloader didn't work for me.

So if anyone else wants to download a hard copy, use the trial version of StreamDown or something similar.
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I tried to play the file in Windows Media Player as well and it didn't work for me either. But Winamp works for anyone else having problems. Worked for me.
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Anyone know of a way to download this file? I have the path as mms://stream.square-enix.com/ff11/AV_EN.wmv but whenever I triy to view that or the provided link in VLC or in WMP, it will play for 5-15 seconds and then the video or audio will freeze while it may or may not indefninitely resume rebuffering...

I'm getting sick of watching it in short clips :/
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If you look carefully too the higher tier spells are being cast at the end of the vanadiel days, and at the beginning of them too. I.E Blizzard II and Blizzard III at 23:58 on Iceday, then quickly changing to Thunder IV at 0:04 on Lightningday.

Also something of note, AV seemed to use an ability that was intune with the element of the previous Vanadiel day at midnight, and the WHM seemed to anticipate it by using Baraera. --> WHM casts Baraera on everyone, Day changes from Iceday to Lightningday. Absolute Virtue readies Wing Thrust.
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BLMs were probably just using the same elemental magic as the element of the day simply for chance of increased magic acc and dmg.

AV used wing thrust both before and after the day change.
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Anyone else noticed that only the player that were standing within range of AV's 2Hr Dustcloud used theire 2Hr?
Might be the that the 2Hrs are refreshed in everytime in this area when AV 2Hrs.
Just my 2 cent.
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#zagarikano, Posted: Feb 13 2008 at 9:50 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Video is choppy but shows nothing....
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Video is choppy but shows nothing....


Were you expecting a Video with SE giving a running comentary?

This Video shows alot. But I can see your one of these ppl that likes to critise everything, and for someone that thinks this video shows nothing, you sure have alot to say about it.
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#Deminious, Posted: Feb 13 2008 at 9:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ok for one this video is obviosly old and SE has been keeping it from us. The proof in that is the Drg 2 hr is still call wyvern.
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# Feb 13 2008 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't AV spawned for the first time AFTER Spirit Surge was added to the game?
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Ok for one this video is obviosly old and SE has been keeping it from us. The proof in that is the Drg 2 hr is still call wyvern.

Actually, that's only half true. Absolute Virtue's 2 hour is still Call Wyvern, even at present day. Doesn't change the fact that DRG's 2 hour is different.

Overall, I think it's a good theory that the 2 hours can cancel his and potentially recharge PT members. Will be interesting to see what comes of this.

And I'm glad SE still kept to their promise. =D
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but when Astri (DRG) uses his/her 2hr, it shows up as "Call Wyvern".....you can see this at 2:53min of the clip

although it could have been the normal call wyvern JA after the update, but this doesn't follow the trend of every player in the vicinity using their 2hr
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but when Astri (DRG) uses his/her 2hr, it shows up as "Call Wyvern".....you can see this at 2:53min of the clip


I dont have the video to check, and Im pulling from vague memory...

But the new DRG 2h is spirit surge, which absorbs your wyvern. So, if the DRG had used his 2hr, he would naturally need to follow it up immediately with call wyvern to get his little buddy back.

And if thats not the case, the other reasonable possibility is he went to use his 2hr, but his wyvern was dead. I dont know if DRG 2hr can be even be used with out a wyvern, or assuming it can, I dont know that its worth it. Regardless, its possible his wyvern was dead, so he had to resummon it, and by then it was too late to get the benifits of the 2hr recharge/free 2hr/whatever it is we are seeing.
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# Feb 13 2008 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
I studied the AV fight over and over for about 45 minutes, and here is all the data that i found important from the video, all that is contained in the zoom in bits. I myself couldnt find anything in it, however i have never fought AV, perhaps someone else can.

1st zoom in: (0:00-0:07)
AV does not appear to have used any 2hr, Elmaulle (PLD/NIN) uses invincible, and ALOT of thunder spells go off as soon as lightningsday

2nd zoom in: (6:47-5:02??) - time jumps from 6:57 lightningsday to 5:02 lightningsday
AV uses Soul Voice
13 2hrs are used, 8 people are in range of the dust cloud, the following people use 2hrs:
Elmaulle (Invincible for a second time as soon as the dust cloud appeared)
Pompumyonmapu (BLM)
Basu (WHM)
Roopelope (WHM)
Iws (BLM)
Dreamrainbow (SAM)
Astri (DRG)
Ruriri (WHM)
Rasopomosopo (SMN)
Sibigobi (BLM)
Oruu (BLM)
Hupapa (BRD)
Hina (BRD)
Yanono (DRK)
Chakiki (RDM
Houjuhkye

3rd zoom in: (5:02-5:11)
AV uses Chainspell
3 2hrs are used, 7 people are in range of the dustcloud, the following people use 2hrs:
Popumyonmapu (BLM)for a second time
Hina (BRD)for a second time
Chakiki (RDM)for a second time
Notes: Also as soon as all the 2hrs are done, the DRK runs towards AV engaged, not sure if that has any impact or not

4th zoom in: (12:06-12:12) [iceday]
AV uses Call Wyvren
7 2hrs are used, ? people are in range of the dustcloud, the following people use 2hrs:
Popumyonmapu (BLM) for a THIRD time
Ryl (PLD)
Rasopomosopo (SMN) for a second time
Astri (DRG) for a second time
Arefelie (RDM)
Hina (BRD)for a THIRD time
Sibigobi (BLM) for a second time

aside from that, only odd thing is the time glitches, i've never fought AV myself but i doubt it is a n 8hr+ fight, there is an RDM meleeing him with a staff for some reason. thats all
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When Absolute Virtue used his 2hr I saw every player use their 2hr.... but they showed and emphasised on one black mage named Popumyonmaro!!


He used Manafont three times.... once after each AV 2hr!!!


They made careful to emphasise that chatlog. After AV used his first 2hr I saw invincible, rdm, drg, smn, drk, etc etc by the players...


But in AV 2 next consecutive 2hrs the same black mage used Manafont again and again....


EDIT: The times these happened in the chatlog are exactly at 2:54, 3:16, and 3:39 !!!


Freeze the chatlog at those exact moments and you will see this blm doing what should be otherwise impossible.



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AV using a 2HR must refresh everyone's 2HR in the immediate vicinity or possibly anybody in AV's hate list. You see at the beginning about the same time Ryl dies, Elmaulle uses invincible, then a few seconds later, AV 2HRs, then several people near the cameraman also 2HR, including Elmaulle. This happens several times throughout the video. It's the only reason I can see why there's a rdm and a whm among others that don't typically stand so close to the mobs in these type of fights without a reason....A reason such as AV refreshing your 2HR.
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# Feb 13 2008 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
Ok so from what I could see the pld was using his two hour first I'm sure to lock hate on him and then everyone else was using theirs safely while the pld had hate. Perhaps you have to use your two hour within seconds of AV and you get to perpetually activate it. If this is true I can imagine that constant benediction could keep up with Av's brutal assaults and that the DD output would take him down much faster than any previous attempts. What puzzles me is that Im sure people have used two hours on AV many times before so how has no one noticed that their 2hr abilities were becoming available again? Perhaps the clock doesn't show them as ready but you can still use them? Maybe the pld has to use incincible first in order for this hidden trait to work? IDK but I look forward to the surge in AV attempts that I'm sure will take place now.
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see only a few Melee at all..... a DRK, a SAM, and something else. Most are using staffs....

on top of that there is well over and alliance there. The must be coordinating a drop party / add party for some help somewhere....

Unless.... and as for the 2hrs, there is only 1 real way that could happen.... either there were a few COR's out and about.... Or the fight lasts for more than 2hours.... Which is more than possible because that thing is crazy
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Seems rather odd they'd let most of the DD's use earth staffs and actually letting rdm's melee. Maybe they get double Eneffect with the weapon? Testing insuse's....
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You missed the point about why the mages are melee'ing. They're not trying to do damage but apparently they have to be within range to match their 2 hour with AV's 2 hour. They just happen to be using earth staffs for added defense. It's obvious AV resets your 2 hour *if* you're within range. I think SE gave us the key we've been looking for but it's up to us to decipher exactly what that is.
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Having a Tarutaru RDM /panic dance to Ru'phuabo seems to also help.
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I think it has to do with someone using the same two hour AV just used. They made a point of showing that. Also, you need to have your rdms melee with staves for some reason, I guess. <_<
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Alright, so the idea that the Video is showing is that, when the AV uses a 2 hour, everyone else uses thier two hours.

I can get behind that; it somehow disrupts the AVs 2 hour.

BUT..

Does the act refresh and take away your two hour as well?

IN the Video, when AV uses Souls Voice, you see
Chiaki uses Chainspell
then in the next clip where it zooms in, you see again
CHiaki uses Chainspell.

Now, either they are SE characters and have unlimited use of two hours. Or somehow, doing it this way prevents your two hours from being used, and refreshes the timer.
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# Feb 13 2008 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aeges wrote:
Alright, so the idea that the Video is showing is that, when the AV uses a 2 hour, everyone else uses thier two hours.

I can get behind that; it somehow disrupts the AVs 2 hour.

BUT..

Does the act refresh and take away your two hour as well?

IN the Video, when AV uses Souls Voice, you see
Chiaki uses Chainspell
then in the next clip where it zooms in, you see again
CHiaki uses Chainspell.

Now, either they are SE characters and have unlimited use of two hours. Or somehow, doing it this way prevents your two hours from being used, and refreshes the timer.


What I noticed: the clip was going back and forth to emphasize certain parts. One of those was Absolute Virtue uses Chainspell FYI.

It seems when Absolute virtue uses a 2 hour, you have a small window in which to have someone of the same job use their 2 hour, and it seems to destroy AV's effect, in which he only got 1 chainspell spell off after RDM used chain spell...
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# Feb 13 2008 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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DigiDude wrote:
Aeges wrote:
Alright, so the idea that the Video is showing is that, when the AV uses a 2 hour, everyone else uses thier two hours.

I can get behind that; it somehow disrupts the AVs 2 hour.

BUT..

Does the act refresh and take away your two hour as well?

IN the Video, when AV uses Souls Voice, you see
Chiaki uses Chainspell
then in the next clip where it zooms in, you see again
CHiaki uses Chainspell.

Now, either they are SE characters and have unlimited use of two hours. Or somehow, doing it this way prevents your two hours from being used, and refreshes the timer.


What I noticed: the clip was going back and forth to emphasize certain parts. One of those was Absolute Virtue uses Chainspell FYI.

It seems when Absolute virtue uses a 2 hour, you have a small window in which to have someone of the same job use their 2 hour, and it seems to destroy AV's effect, in which he only got 1 chainspell spell off after RDM used chain spell...


i wonder why people have never thought of this before. its been said again and again, that this problem was something directly in our faces and had nothing to do with rocket science. yet people still played with eban pannels >.>
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