Applying for World Emigration (Sep. 22)

The commencement of European FINAL FANTASY XI service has increased the overall population during peak times. Though the servers are able to cope with the added load, we have noticed that the peak population at 7:00 (PDT) has increased drastically, with more Japanese and North American players joining the game. For this reason, we have decided to invite players to emigrate to different Worlds to help balance the overall population. Please read the following carefully. If you wish to emigrate, please follow the instructions below. *Currently, access peak fluctuations for the European version are within acceptable levels. [World Emigration Guidelines] Applicable Worlds: -All Worlds Application Period: >From Sep. 22 (Wed) 02:00 (PDT) until Oct. 2, 8:00 (PDT) Regarding new World implementation and emigration: -Details regarding whether or not the emigration will take place, the date and time of emigration, the number of new Worlds created, and details about the configuration of new Worlds will be based on the outcome of the recruitment. There will be an announcement at a later time. -3 new Worlds are scheduled to be created. In the event that applicants are divided among multiple Worlds, all applicants from a single World will be moved into the same new World. -In the event that the number of players who wish to emigrate to the new World does not fill up one whole World, the World shift will be postponed. How to apply for World emigration: When the application period begins, an NPC called the World Shifter will appear in each of the following areas. By talking to this NPC, you can apply for or cancel World emigration, and confirm your character's emigration status. Please read the World Shifter's responses carefully before submitting an application. Ru'Lude Gardens (I-10) Port San d'Oria (I-8) Port Bastok (L-8) Windurst Walls (G-6) *Note: After the application deadline, you will be unable to make any further requests for World emigration. How to confirm your World emigration status: During the application period, a login message will appear indicating your World emigration status. If you are already logged in, you can view this message by entering "/smes". Please be sure to confirm your status before the end of the application period. *Message displayed when applying for World emigration: "You have submitted an application for World emigration." *Message displayed when not applying for World emigration: "You have not submitted an application for World emigration." CAUTION: If you are considering applying for World emigration, please read the following points to ensure a smooth transition. When emigrating: Emigration of characters is done one at a time. If you request emigration for any of your other characters, please conduct all applications separately. Character name: If your character happens to have the same name as another player in the World to which you emigrate, you will have to change your name before entering that World. If you need to change your name, your name will be shown in yellow, and you must follow the on-screen instructions. This name change will not affect your Friend List. Delivery Box/Auction items: All items up for auction and in your Delivery Box will be lost when you emigrate. Please collect these items before moving. Any items in your Mog Safe will be transported with you to the new world. Regarding used linkshells: Following a World shift, your linkshells will be automatically exchanged with new, unopened linkshells. If you have an unused linkshell, you may bring it to the new World. If a linkshell owner emigrates, the player's old linkshell will be deactivated and a new unopened linkshell will be automatically provided.

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w00!
# Sep 22 2004 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I plan on doing it - unlike my husband, I don't have permanent friends on this server. I'm looking at it as an opportunity to get to know more people. If I want to say Hello to any friends back on Gilgamesh, I can get my husband to do it.
RE: w00!
# Sep 23 2004 at 2:57 AM Rating: Decent
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is that what women use their husbands for?

that's it, I'm never getting married ¬¬;

"hey Hun, can you say hi to jenny, rosie, Grandma, uncle jim, gary, jason, alex, Jean, [lists girlfriends ad nauseum]..."
"X.x"

emmigration
# Sep 22 2004 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
but can i create separate accounts for existing characters, and if so how?
waiting
# Sep 22 2004 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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howlong does it take to switch the server
do you have to log on again O.o
RE: waiting
# Sep 22 2004 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Its not an instant transfer. They'll take all the servers offline and move all the characters one at a time but in-mass, probably during a TBA maintenance.
Pay Attention
# Sep 22 2004 at 3:35 PM Rating: Excellent
If you need clarification, just read the entire post slowly and completely. Don't go off your rocker when something pops up and it sounds funny. Be patient and learn to completely read the document.
RE: Pay Attention
# Sep 22 2004 at 4:06 PM Rating: Decent
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/laugh

I totally agree, I think people just like to complain.
Clarification Please
# Sep 22 2004 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I think we need clarification.

Say if a persons entire linkshell agrees to emigrate. Will they be scattered across the different servers? If so, whats the point no one would switch then.

I think there needs to be a selection of what server you go to. My brother plays on a different server, and it would be great to be reunited so to speak.
RE: Clarification Please
# Sep 23 2004 at 5:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Having been around since the last world immigration option, and understanding it a bit, thought I'd clear this up here. You can all put in seperate applications, or you can submit a group application. I don't know the exact process off the top of my head, but me and some friends are considering it. I'll look back later if I run across step by step instructions, and post them.

-Ismarc
RE: Clarification Please
# Sep 22 2004 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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How much more clarification do you need?

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-3 new Worlds are scheduled to be created. In the event that applicants are divided among multiple Worlds, all applicants from a single World will be moved into the same new World.


Edited, Wed Sep 22 16:25:43 2004
RE: Clarification Please
# Sep 22 2004 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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In the event that applicants are divided among multiple Worlds, all applicants from a single World will be moved into the same new World.

This is basically saying if there is enough people to fill more than one world, All people from the same world will end up in the same world.
Ugh
# Sep 22 2004 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
...What a load of crap. You can't choose the world you want to emigrate to and chances are they'll emigrate people after applications are closed, keeping you from switching worlds until you get to the one you want. :\

Woulda been better if they gave you a freakin' choice.
RE: Ugh
# Sep 22 2004 at 2:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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The whole reason for the new servers is to better balance the current load. If SE started giving people the choice of which one of the new servers players can move to, it wouldn't solve a thing.
Bah humbug
# Sep 22 2004 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
they should make it so you could choose the server...

i REALLY dont want to end up in a botter-ific world ><

*cough*bismarck*cough*
RE: Bah humbug
# Sep 22 2004 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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At first there were be next to no bots/gil sellers on the new servers, then they will either migrate, start new characters, or purchase world passes and step up shop just as they have on any of the previous servers. Sadly, it's happened in the past with the new servers and will happen again with the newest servers SE is looking to implement.
RE: Bah humbug
# Sep 22 2004 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, Bismarck is full of bots. I will agree with that statement.
Lol
# Sep 22 2004 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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SE is not an evil corporation. And if it were, why do you still pay them good hard cash/yen/euros?


if SE truely were an evil corperation then they would make something addictive and amazingly fun to suck you into to make you pay your good hard earned cash/yen/euros. am i not right? lol right on evil corperations! i love you!
account
# Sep 22 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
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i had the same problems with my girlfriend and a buddy of mine
they all created their characters on my account, and now that my buddy got the game for ps2 we connect it with my pc and...poof, one of us is always disconnected by the other one
he got to create a new account, which didnt really make him happy
in other words, once the characters are created and assigned to an account, it doesnt matter on which server they are, youll still be stuck with using only one of them at a time
kinda sucks when you think about it...we gotta pay an additionnal fee for all additionnal characters and dont even get to use more than one at a time...
RE: account
# Sep 23 2004 at 5:43 AM Rating: Decent
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hmmmm, ok so buy ONE game, create the maximum of 16 characters for 16 diferent people to play at the same time. 500000 single account/16 = 31250 software sold. Weight in the balance 500000 Disc sold or 31250?!?!? So 500000*12.95$ =6475000$ in monthly revenue OR 31250*12.95$=404687.50$ + 468750*1$=468750 for a grand total of 404687.50+468750=873437.50 monthly revenue?!?!?
MY choice if I was a corporation 6 475 000$
RE: account
# Sep 23 2004 at 2:47 AM Rating: Decent
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isn't that the same with all MMORPGS tho? getting people to make new accounts is 1) the biggest way they make money; 2) prevent reselling of character slots (you know people will do it); and 3) to prevent someone from forming an entire pt of their own chars (it's possible... with 6 different accounts)

Now granted, it'd be nice if we can move chars between accounts, but that presents more problem, esp. with selling and such... maybe if they make the process really tedious and only allowed once...

back on topic, this isn't the second time they're doing this either. ~a month after FF's NA release back in Nov 03 they did something similar... for the same reasons I guess. Also keep in mind that the majority of the new Europe players will be on the new servers, so it'd be a chance for people to make EU dominate servers

as for myself I'm staying right where I am...

Edited, Thu Sep 23 03:51:14 2004
Just thinking.
# Sep 22 2004 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
Anyone else see this as a huge possibility of ******** everything up. What if, for example, the people who want to emmigrate to your World's, New World, aren't in sync with your character's level. Then you go to this New World discovering that either it is extremely difficult to progress any farther or (worst case) you find that you can't progress any farther without a party and must wait for people to level up to your status.

This could happen with with the way SE decided to switch Worlds. They will have all the characters who wish to participate in this in your World (and obviously this means about ten current Worlds to one New one) going to the same New World. Theoretically this means that many people could emmigrate but SE doesn't care about the levels of the characters. Probably because the longer you play the more money they make (which no one can deny that a large number of their quests exploit this.)

This said, do what you want. I'm not saying one or the other is better. I'm just arguing for the side that was lacking. Btw, I'm staying in Quetzalcoatl, I love it here. Lastly, I'm not saying I hate the game or SE. In fact I spend countless hours on their games.
RE: Just thinking.
# Sep 22 2004 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
Wsoteria is right. Square isn't a bunch of idiots, they've most likely thought this through. They picked up on the idea that the servers might get clogged up so they implemented a way to fix it. The only reason that square doesn't let u pick your world is because they would turn out like the world you just left the same groups of people would stay together and the server would be unequal and defeat the purpose of emmigrating. It'll be equal now with an almost equal number of people on each server. And don't worry about having to wait for the new people on the server to lvl to u, square'll probably send an equal number of people with an equal lvl to the each server.
RE: Just thinking.
# Sep 22 2004 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Square is not stupid. Actually, I'll bet they've paid people specifically to figure all this out and make sure the emigrants will have a decent world to level in / explore. Chances are the reason you can't choose your world is so that they can evenly distribute the levels of players emigrating, as well as craft skill level and whatnot.

Emigration seems like a big pain that could turn bad, but there is potential to get way ahead by emigrating. Primarily what I'm talking about is the possibility of making a lot of money. You know how when CoP came out for the Japanese, or whenever new items come into the market, some crafters and perceptive individuals jump on the chance and make a lot of money? Well, imagine the potential for gil-making when a new world is under construction! Imagine dominating the market for, say, cockatrice meat. You wouldn't hold the market for long, but even if you're the only one selling them in Jeuno for the first 12 hours the server is up, you've already made a killing off of people who are trying to do what you did, except with the mithkabobs they're crafting. *evil laugh*

Anyway, it's something to think about. I know I won't emigrate because I've got too many ties to Ragnarok people... but... yeah... it may be worthwhile if you play it right.
Content ID
# Sep 22 2004 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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i wonder if this presents an opportunity to do something i've been wanting to do; seperate the characters on my content id. my kids and i made the mistake of putting our characters on the same id. we would love to be able to play at the same time, but don't want to give up what we've accomplished. any thoughts?


Characters are based by account, not Content ID.

Unless you get seperate accounts for each person you will not be able to log on at the same time.
great!!
# Sep 22 2004 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
However it turns out, this can only help the game. Less people means more places to camp. I'd expect the economy in the new world(s) to be very volatile, but it's a great chance for people with bad reputations to make a fresh start.
emmigration
# Sep 22 2004 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
i wonder if this presents an opportunity to do something i've been wanting to do; seperate the characters on my content id. my kids and i made the mistake of putting our characters on the same id. we would love to be able to play at the same time, but don't want to give up what we've accomplished. any thoughts?

Edited, Wed Sep 22 17:47:10 2004
moving ^^
# Sep 22 2004 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm not a very sociable person and some people on my server are just too dumb or like to understimate other chars so im up for moving almost all my chars wich i have 3 and 2 mains and one mule char i want a new world and camp NM with other people the people on my server are just not good or too good for it so bye, bye, Diabolos i need a new name when i log into the game ^^
Few comments
# Sep 22 2004 at 11:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'll jot down a few comments that I've already dicussed with other people (cut-n-pasting my own comments):

When emigrating:
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Emigration of characters is done one at a time. If you request emigration for any of your other characters, please conduct all applications separately.

You would have to put in an application for each extra character you have. They all move separately.

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-3 new Worlds are scheduled to be created. In the event that applicants are divided among multiple Worlds, all applicants from a single World will be moved into the same new World.

If your friends are playing on your server now and they put the application in to move, all of you would be move to the same server. However, if a server isn't filled they will postpone the moving process.

This option will be available to NA, EU, and JP. More then likely gil sellers and botters will move to because of less competition from "normal" players. The AH prices will work just like any other world. Do you think that people would move to a new server and try to set lower prices on items? No more then likely they will use the other worlds as reference to set the initial prices. Meaning the "corrupt economy" that people complain a lot about will transfer to the new servers. Also keep in mind the plentiful items that are already established on the current servers won't be there on the new ones, until people go out and get them. If anything people will set prices higher at first because of lack of availability on common items until it comes flooding the AH again. Look at the original servers that were available when FFXI first started and look at the more recent ones. Notice something about the prices on items? Yep they balance around the same range.

The fault falls on both the person setting the price and the person purchasing the item at a higher value. A lot of times it's not that they have money to burn but are just impatient to wait for the lower price. There could be a ton of reason why...statics, missions, etc. With so much emphasize on having the best equipment because of fear of being labeled a "gimped", people will pay the cost.

Yes there are certain items you can get from NPC's at a lower cost but that will not stop people trying to get more money from others. Again a lot of it has to do with people just not wanting to run around to the various NPC's to get those items. The AH is view as a convenience, of not having to run around every where.

The numbers will stay consistent with the older servers. It's happened already, and will continue to do so on servers in the future. The only way you can lower the prices is if you are in agreement with EVERYONE that migrates to the new servers that they will not compare their prices to the previous servers. People will use the older servers economy as a reference. Therefor keeping the same ridiculous high prices on items that shouldn't be even half what they are listed for.

Comparing new items to older items that have been in the game for a long time, isn't the same comparison as transferring prices to a new server. Any time a new item is discovered it gets sold for a high cost, because people are unsure how common or useful it is.

It been proven time and time again in all MMORPG's that add on new servers. All the servers economy are NOT individual entities, they are linked together because people list prices, ask friends what things are being sold on their server, etc... The only way to truly to have a fresh economy on a new server is have everyone who moves to it, to be totally removed to any source of information that leads them to compare things on previous servers. It's not sentimental, it's reality.
amen to that
# Sep 22 2004 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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amen to that
cant wait for CoP, but im not leaving my precious Valefor server for anything
i just hope enough people from all existing worlds emigrate to create a noticeable difference in performance on those servers
SE is a good company... WE are the evil bastards
# Sep 22 2004 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
lol bunch of friggin' knuckleheads you all are...

They did this last year. Because of the NA launch they were going to create up to 3 new servers for emmigration. If enough people applied, they would create all three servers. However, they only created ONE new server, Asura, because the demand for all three just wasn't there.

This is about managing server loads AND managing their monetary resources. Why would they buy a whole three new servers when there is only demand for one?

This game has got to be one of the best run MMO's ever. We should all be happy about that, but we Americans always need SOMETHING to complain about. We are like savages when it comes to the internet and relationships on the internet.

Case in point, look at Lineage 2. In Japan, there is almost NO Player-Killing, in Korea, Player-Killing is more common but always contextual. In North America, we find anyway possible to beat the system and grief others. That's from the mouth of NCsoft. Translated - We're all bastards who complain and like to grief.

So, in the end - Stop making stupid comments about a company that is providing you with a quality game service. SE is not an evil corporation. And if it were, why do you still pay them good hard cash/yen/euros?


sheesh.

Edited, Wed Sep 22 12:23:29 2004
RE: SE is a good company... WE are the evil bastards
# Sep 22 2004 at 2:38 PM Rating: Default
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Why would they buy a whole three new servers when there is only demand for one?


I think it's silly of anyone to believe that each "server" is only one physical machine. I believe they have clusters of servers. Unless they're droppping $100,000+ USD on one honking 64 way processor server, then they're running clusters. Think about the load.. at any given time there are 4000+ people on one server (at least that's how it is on Phoenix). It would be incredibly difficult for one machine (even if it were a 64 processor server) to keep up with all the zoning, mog house changing, battle stats, etc..

And what happens if something happens to that ONE server? We're all SOL until they rebuild it from their backups. I doubt that SE would want to deal with that kind of downtime. One node in the cluster goes down, no biggie, game is still up.. maybe 2% slower than before, but build a new one quick and add it to the cluster. Oh, 10,000 Europeans just signed up? No problem, we'll add a couple servers to the cluster and take care of them.
RE: SE is a good company... WE are the evil bastards
# Sep 23 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
Oh god, heaven forbid...

Ok, One "Server," one Cluster, hell, one butt monkey.

Does it really matter.

Ok then, how about "Why would they buy resources for three whole new worlds when there is demand for only one new world?"

That's pretty F'ing trivial, as most MMO people refer to their world/zone/galaxy/reality as a "server." I'm speaking to that audience, and there is no need to get technical.

And 100k USD isn't all that much, the euro, pound, and other currencies have much greater weight.

But, let's not get technical...
RE: SE is a good company... WE are the evil bastards
# Sep 23 2004 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah. I wonder how many people will emmigrate. I personally like the feel of where I am right now (or maybe it's just that I'm in Windurst and haven't seen exactly how different Sandy has become over the past several months I've been locked in Windy), and with glare at the "you haven't applied for emmigration" notices. I like Diabolos. It's kinda nice and I don't know how green the grass is anywhere else. Just know there are some servers I won't join for spit... just because they're the "ooh ooh can I get a world pass o.oV" worlds.

Now. Irregardless of the fees to SE that we don't know of for adding 3 whole more servers, I do hope enough people emmigrate. It would be great for everyone. Probably reduce loads accross the board.

It is scary when you see beta screens for CoP and see those low rates in the corner. You just know they aren't on dialup so it's kinda sad. Enough people should -I probably should too just to not bathe in my own hypocracy.. but the cool factor of being on Diabolos has me by the tongue ^^;- just to keep those transmission rates on the up and up.

Bad enough when a whole timezone 'gets home' and poof it's BARELY at 100%.

Besides. [warning this is completely trivial] If they make all three... that's even more summons/avatars/aeons/guardian forces/etc that have little bits history with them. [told you]

[crazy musings] I wonder if eventually almost all the summons will be represented... and if so... will summon X be stronger on server Y. [like I said. crazy musings]

I'll stop writing a novel now ^^;
RE: move
# Sep 22 2004 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
::chews out everyone on Garuda and immigrates::

My luck, there wouldn't be enough and i'd be stuck with the consiquences. ::shiver::
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# Sep 22 2004 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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this is cool cause know i can move my medium level char to a diff server
#Anonymous, Posted: Sep 22 2004 at 10:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post)
RE: ps2 only servers
# Sep 22 2004 at 5:33 PM Rating: Default
One of the big things that SE brags about is the fact that FFXI spans across the world, AND systems.

why make a PS2 or PC only server and lose bragging rights?
YAY
# Sep 22 2004 at 10:04 AM Rating: Default
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farewell you piece of crap alexander and your over-priced... crap... and your... crappiness and your... ummm.... yah that...
Surrogate Application
# Sep 22 2004 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
It would be nice to make an application to emigrate for all the people on my blacklist. lol
RE: RE: A fresh start...
# Sep 22 2004 at 9:53 AM Rating: Default
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So, it looks like they would all end up in the same (new) world, as long as they all had emigration applications in...


No....they'd end up on one of three new worlds :)
I have yet to try this out, but I suspect all Emmigrants from your world, would end up on the same new world. Note, I said suspect, not saying this is written in stone or anything, I might still be wrong.
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Job Levels: 75 Blm / 52 Whm / 40 Rdm
RE: RE: A fresh start...
# Sep 22 2004 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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That is the understanding I gathered from reading the posting. Players from X world who emigrate will all end up in Y world..

pasted from above: "-3 new Worlds are scheduled to be created. In the event that applicants are divided among multiple Worlds, all applicants from a single World will be moved into the same new World. "
The great big move
# Sep 22 2004 at 9:48 AM Rating: Decent
You would think it would be easier to move a content ID instead of a character this way all your mules will go with you.

Edited, Wed Sep 22 10:49:02 2004
Read
# Sep 22 2004 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
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From what I got out of reading the article, it stated:
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When emigrating:
Emigration of characters is done one at a time. If you request emigration for any of your other characters, please conduct all applications separately.

This means that if you want 2 of your characters to emmigrate, you have to apply for each seperately. I doubt that there would be a high probability of them getting different servers, but in the event that it does, you can always create a new character and get a world pass. If you play off your mule, and it has significantly high lvls (2 jobs lvl 20+) then this would suck.

I know the idea of not having my mule would suck, so i wish you the best of luck in your efforts to getting both of your characters onto the same server.

Edited, Wed Sep 22 10:46:32 2004
RE: Read
# Sep 22 2004 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
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When making a mule character, you do not need a World Pass. If you already have 1 character on a certain server, you are automatically permitted to make as many new characters on that same server, once you purchase content IDs.

Just put in "Name of Server" and leave the Password field empty.
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