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#102 Jun 08 2017 at 6:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Overhyped; didnt need popcorn at all. There were some good moments though.
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#103 Jun 09 2017 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
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Odds are someone with an IQ snuck into his office and took his phone. I'm betting part of the cleaning crew.
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Trump is going to file a complaint with the Justice Department Inspector General's office regarding Comey leaking his own non-classified memo.
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The Justice Department, however, has limited jurisdiction over former employees. They can investigate but the remedy in the event of finding wrongdoing would be to make a note in Comey's file should he ever seek to be employed by the DOJ again.

That'll show 'im.
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#105 Jun 09 2017 at 11:45 AM Rating: Good
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You can't leak unclassified memos. They're ... they're unclassified.

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#106 Jun 09 2017 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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You can't leak unclassified memos. They're ... they're unclassified.

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Tell that to Jennifer Lawerence's anus.
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Tell that to Jennifer Lawerence's anus.

Next time we get together, I will.
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Tell that to Jennifer Lawerence's anus.

Next time we get together, I will.

Put in a good word for me next time you're there too, will ya?

Edited, Jun 9th 2017 5:10pm by TirithRR
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#110 Jun 12 2017 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
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Which word? She seems like the type of lady that would be offended if you put the wrong word in her anus.

Edited, Jun 12th 2017 9:34am by lolgaxe
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Which word? She seems like the type of lady that would be offended if you put the wrong word in her anus.

Going by those pictures, maybe not.
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#112 Jun 12 2017 at 10:34 AM Rating: Good
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If it's the same pictures I saw then it's too clean to get dirty words stuck in it.

And speaking about crazy assholes with this brilliantly seamless segue, McCain shows just how off his rocker he is by saying Obama is a better leader than 45. You know, after eight years insisting otherwise.

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#113 Jun 12 2017 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
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And speaking about crazy assholes with this brilliantly seamless segue, McCain shows just how off his rocker he is by saying Obama is a better leader than 45. You know, after eight years insisting otherwise.

Well, he couldn't tell until now, because obviously nobody could have foreseen what a shit show this presidency would be.
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#114 Jun 13 2017 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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I guess I'm just a little perplexed that we have a guy that's been in the limelight for the better part of the last forty years making one disastrous decision after another and people are acting shocked that somehow the dumpster fire was unforeseeable.

We need an amendment that disqualifies anyone from public office if they'd been involved in reality television.
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#115 Jun 13 2017 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I guess I'm just a little perplexed that we have a guy that's been in the limelight for the better part of the last forty years making one disastrous decision after another and people are acting shocked that somehow the dumpster fire was unforeseeable.

We need an amendment that disqualifies anyone from public office if they'd been involved in reality television.



But but President Snooki!

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Trump handed China a huge gift with his announcement to withdraw.


How do you figure? I'm sure this is the rhetoric being tossed around, but given that China was under no obligations from the agreement in the first place, I'm not sure how this helps them at all. If anything, it levels the playing field more and removes an advantage they would otherwise have had.

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Saying it doesn't make it true. And again, how does China "clean up" as a result of this? That doesn't even makes sense. You do get that there was no plus side to the US for being in said agreement, and lots of negatives, right?

And on the topic of Russia expanding it's influence, I'm pretty sure you meant to say "Obama" and not "Trump". We basically retreated from Eastern Europe and the Middle East under Obama's foreign policy, and Russia went right in. Yeah. Not seeing where you're coming from here. Again. Just saying something over and over doesn't make it true.
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#118 Jun 13 2017 at 9:54 PM Rating: Good
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If it's the same pictures I saw then it's too clean to get dirty words stuck in it.

And speaking about crazy assholes with this brilliantly seamless segue, McCain shows just how off his rocker he is by saying Obama is a better leader than 45. You know, after eight years insisting otherwise.

Edited, Jun 12th 2017 1:00pm by lolgaxe


Uh, this seems more like sanity.
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#119 Jun 14 2017 at 6:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm sure John McCain feels much better about the current Administration now that Cindy has a cushy job in it.
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#120 Jun 14 2017 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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But but President Snooki!
Isn't one Oompa Loompa wrecking things enough of a cautionary tale?
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Uh, this seems more like sanity.
In this case it's less what is said and more who says it. Like, as a completely random and hypothetical example off the top of my head completely random it'd be like someone who goes out of their way and prides themselves on how repetitious they are suddenly turning around and admonishing someone about how repetition doesn't lead to accuracy.
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#121 Jun 14 2017 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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But but President Snooki!
Isn't one Oompa Loompa wrecking things enough of a cautionary tale?
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Uh, this seems more like sanity.
In this case it's less what is said and more who says it. Like, as a completely random and hypothetical example off the top of my head completely random it'd be like someone who goes out of their way and prides themselves on how repetitious they are suddenly turning around and admonishing someone about how repetition doesn't lead to accuracy.


McCain said time and time again that he hated Obama's policies, hated his method WRT working with congress, that he sought geopol goals that McCain didn't agreed with, and was a bad leader for not getting more GOP buy in. He also said that Trump was a far worse leader. That's not a mutually exclusive position.
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According to the Fake Liberal News monsters at the Washington Post, Trump is now directly under investigation by the FBI for obstruction of justice.
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#123 Jun 14 2017 at 7:57 PM Rating: Good
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Edited, Jun 14th 2017 6:59pm by stupidmonkey
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#124 Jun 14 2017 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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You can't leak unclassified memos. They're ... they're unclassified.


You can "leak" anything. Podesta's emails were not classified either, but no one balked at calling them "leaked", right? You're playing a semantics game. A private conversation with the president of the US, when you are an employee of the executive branch of the federal government is automatically considered privileged and confidential, even if not officially classified. Most people kinda get this right off the bat. And even if not illegal, choosing to send the contents of said conversation through a third party to a news organization is at the very least "questionable behavior" for someone in Comey's position.

At the end of the day, Comey was fired because he could not be trusted to be an honest unbiased operator. Ironically, prior to his actual firing, pretty much everyone on both sides of the political aisle agreed on this. It was only afterwards that the whole "OMG! Let's pretend that he wasn't fired for his ridiculous behavior last year, but because of <somethingsomething> Russian Collusion!!!" narrative started.

Him leaking a "memo" (let's recall that it's not like he was taking notes during the meeting, and we at this point have no clue when he actually wrote this), really only serves to justify the decision to fire him. He couldn't actually be trusted. Not by the people of the country (on any part of our political spectrum). Not by the men and woman working under him in the FBI. And not by the President of the US. How the heck did anyone think he could remain in that position? The fact that the FBI was moving forward with the Russian meddling investigation certainly compounded the problem, but not for the reason being claimed. No one could possibly trust that any politically connected investigation he might run would be free of the same kind of political shenanigans as what happened last year. And no one could therefore trust the outcome of any investigation he was involved in. No matter which "side" of the issue you may fall on, Comey could not be allowed to remain.
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You can't leak unclassified memos. They're ... they're unclassified.


You can "leak" anything.


Except Depends!

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It was only afterwards that the whole "OMG! Let's pretend that he wasn't fired for his ridiculous behavior last year, but because of <somethingsomething> Russian Collusion!!!" narrative started.

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He [Rosenstein] made a recommendation, he’s highly respected, very good guy, very smart guy. The Democrats like him, the Republicans like him. He made a recommendation. But regardless of [the] recommendation, I was going to fire Comey. Knowing there was no good time to do it!

And in fact when I decided to just do it I said to myself, I said, “You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.”

You have to really be a special kind of tool to honestly believe that Trump fired Comey months into his administration (and after asking him to stay) over Comey's handling of Clinton last year.

Edited, Jun 15th 2017 1:50am by Jophiel
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You're playing a semantics game.
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#128 Jun 15 2017 at 7:42 AM Rating: Excellent
Especially when he praised him for said handling.
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#129 Jun 15 2017 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Especially when he praised him for said handling.
What a strange world you live in where things people say and do continue to exist and don't just magically disappear.
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The GOP talking points (expect to hear them soon from you-know-who) are that Mueller's investigation didn't turn up anything so now he is trying to pursue obstruction charges. First off, even if this were true, obstruction is still obstruction and still illegal so throwing a fit because Mueller is investigating the wrong crime seems sort of weird. But it's not true anyway -- Mueller has been continually staffing up as the investigation grows and broadens into more people and financial ties to Russia. He was bringing on people as recently as last week. So it's just a plain lie to say "He didn't find anything so..." when the investigation is just getting started. Still, tools gonna tool on along.
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#131 Jun 15 2017 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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When to we get to read down to the 16th definition of what 'is' means?

Kind of assumed obstruction charges would be inevitable. Seems like they'd be easier to pin on someone, just given the nature of the crime.
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#132 Jun 15 2017 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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(expect to hear them soon from you-know-who)
As amusing as how often the "But Billy hit me first!" point pops up, our Voldedolt has been leaning further and further into "It's a conspiracy!" territory so I wouldn't really expect to see many of those to show up on Zam.
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Trump says that he's being investigated for firing Comey by the same guy who told him to fire Comey. Of course, Trump has already proudly said that he was going to fire Comey no matter what and Rosenstein was pretty much made to write a letter as cover. And now Trump is accusing Rosenstein of a "witch hunt" (his words).

Boy, I bet Rosenstein wishes he never answered the phone the day he agreed to stay on under the new administration.
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#134 Jun 16 2017 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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says that he's being investigated for firing Comey by the same guy who told him to fire Comey.
He's investigating himself? It's a bold strategy Cotton, lets see if it pays off for 'em.
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Layers upon layers: Rosenstein may be recusing himself from the case he inherited after Sessions recused himself as Rosenstein's letter may implicate him as a person of interest in an obstruction investigation.

Eventually this case will be managed by the FBI's janitor.
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Eventually this case will be managed by the FBI's janitor.
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Trump's lawyer has, uh, lawyered up as a result of the Russia probe.
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Smart guy. Then again, he did graduate from law school.
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Actually, my only objection here is that he should have hired a whole team of lawyers, not just one.
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Each lawyer associated with Trump should hire five more lawyers, etc. It'll be a law school make-work project. Who says government can't make jobs?
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Each lawyer associated with Trump should hire five more lawyers, etc. It'll be a law school make-work project. Who says government can't make jobs?

trump's finally building his wall. A wall of business suits and leather briefcases.
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Gotta get in on this double-posting action.

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Then we will litigate in the shade.
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's lawyer has, uh, lawyered up as a result of the Russia probe.
According to whichever layer of litigators Sekulow is on, 45 isn't actually under investigation after all. That's if you ignore the media and 45's own tweet stating that "I'm being investigated". Apparently the 140 characters just aren't enough to give all the necessary information and how it's absolutely impossible to tweet multiple times in a row.
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Of course, he said that literally seconds after saying, twice, that Trump is under investigation.

This is the hallmark of a man who has to corkscrew himself into his pants.

Edited, Jun 19th 2017 11:07am by Samira
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Jophiel wrote:
's lawyer has, uh, lawyered up as a result of the Russia probe.
According to whichever layer of litigators Sekulow is on, 45 isn't actually under investigation after all. That's if you ignore the media and 45's own tweet stating that "I'm being investigated". Apparently the 140 characters just aren't enough to give all the necessary information and how it's absolutely impossible to tweet multiple times in a row.


Sekulow's comments (and Trump's tweet) were examples of reductio ad absurdum, which apparently flew right over the heads of most members of the media (including Wallace when interviewing Sekulow). In this form of argument the "if" and "then" is implied, but should be apparent in the argument itself. So "if" I'm being investigated, then I'm being investigated by the guy who told me to do what I'm being investigated for.

There's also a point to be made about an official investigation, which actually requires checking off certain boxes like who you're investigating, what crime you think was committed, etc, and what's going on right now, which is more or less a non investigation investigation. As I've stated several times now, this smells a heck of a lot like the Plame investigation, where there was no crime, they knew who was involved in the action that wasn't a crime, but they chose to go on a witch hunt in the Bush White House anyway, presumably because they could.

Honestly, while I think Trump does hurt himself with his tweeting about this, the more this goes on, the worse those pushing the investigation side of things are looking. If Bush had been able to get the words "this is all a witch hunt" to the public over and over for the couple years that the Plame investigation was going on, things might have turned out very differently. Instead, he did the normal politician thing and kept quiet. The problem with that approach is that the other "side" gets to control when things "leak" to the press, what those leaks consist of, and can use the process to accomplish the actual goal, which is to undermine the administration.

Trump's pushing this right back. And I don't think it'll matter what is found (likely nothing), or leaked (I"m sure tons of speculative stuff), it'll all be framed in the context of fake information. These sorts of things basically rely on one side being able to put out a narrative that can't be opposed. Fact's don't matter. It's what the public hears that does. We all know that what the public will hear from this is leak after leak after leak, not of facts, but speculative stuff. OMG! This person is "under investigation". That person is "being questioned". Someone said that they suspect "someone did something bad". The media gets a field day essentially writing rumors and speculation, knowing that they are covered because they aren't actually the ones making stuff up. They also know that the public largely can't tell the difference, so this will form their opinions.

So yeah, as annoying as it is, Trump is actually doing the right thing here. He knows that all he has to do is tweet "fake news" and "witch hunt" over and over, and a largish percentage of the population will interpret anything that comes of this in that context. If he doesn't, then the other side gets to frame the entire narrative. Of course, if we had a less one sided media, this wouldn't be necessary, but that hasn't been the case for decades now.
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Of course, he said that literally seconds after saying, twice, that Trump is under investigation.


If you actually watch the interview instead of just a news segment about it showing the two sections, it's obvious that he's making an argument that if we accept the claim, it makes no sense. It's a shorthand way of saying it though. Like if someone accuses you of breaking into a house, you might respond with something like "Ok. So I broke into this guys house at the exact same time I was sitting at a restaurant having dinner with 10 other people?". We all understand this form of argument. We all use this form of argument. It's actually a quite effective form of argument. And again, everyone normally gets it. Well, except when they're slavishly scanning through what the other person said to try to find some inconsistency or absurdity, that is.

I guess I just find the whole thing somewhat surreal. And to respond to what someone mentioned earlier, you can't obstruct justice unless there's actual justice going on. Yet, we've seen this script play out before. Rightly pointing out that there is no evidence of criminal behavior so maybe there should not be an investigation, is not obstructing justice. It's making a valid observation. The president suggesting that an investigation should be dropped since it hasn't come remotely close to finding any evidence of crime is not obstruction of justice. It's someone in the room acting like a sane person IMO.

Witch hunts are not justice. Fishing expeditions are not justice. But that's what's going on here. It's all about having an investigation (or multiple investigations) purely for the sake of saying that "so and so is under investigation". There's political value in the mere existence of such things (I seem to recall pointing this out a few months back in fact). And if, along the way, you can find some tangential thing to charge someone with (like the extremely vague "obstruction of justice" charge), that's all the better.


Anyone want to take bets on whether any person associated with Trump is ever charged, much less convicted of collusion with the Russians to manipulate the election? If history of these sorts of things is any indication, there won't be. But there will be a ton of speculation and implication along the way, and they'll probably find some poor sap to charge with some secondary thing, just so they can claim they accomplished something. Let's face it, the claims are so ludicrous and frankly so impossible to prove that I'm not sure how you could proceed. Barring a recording of someone actually offering a quid pro quo to the Russians in return for help, I just don't see how you can ever convict anyone of anything.

And I think that's what has a ton of people on the right riled up about this. Last year, Comey and the Justice department did this whole "we're not going to pursue charges against Clinton because we don't think a prosecution can succeed" bit, but this year, it seems like "possibility of ever succeeding in a prosecution" has been completely tossed out the window. It doesn't seem to matter to them. But any rational person can look at the evidence in the two cases and see that in the case last year, there was a mountain of solid evidence that clearly showed a violation of the law (multiple violations, in fact), while in this case there's... nothing. Just a speculation that maybe someone, somewhere, related to Trump, maybe did something with someone else. But we can't say who, or what was done. But if we look hard enough, and long enough, maybe we'll find something.

The double standard for "justice" is pretty ridiculous IMO.
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Last year, Comey and the Justice department did this whole "we're not going to pursue charges against Clinton because we don't think a prosecution can succeed" bit, but this year, it seems like "possibility of ever succeeding in a prosecution" has been completely tossed out the window
After a long and involved investigation...
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Sekulow's comments (and 's tweet) were examples of reductio ad absurdum,
It requires everyone from the top of the administration to the random online cheerleaders repeating Kellyanne Conway talking points to be functionally retarded, but I guess it's possible since, well, there seems little evidence to contradict the theory that they are, in fact, functionally retarded.
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Last year, Comey and the Justice department did this whole "we're not going to pursue charges against Clinton because we don't think a prosecution can succeed" bit, but this year, it seems like "possibility of ever succeeding in a prosecution" has been completely tossed out the window
After a long and involved investigation...


An investigation into activities which were not in doubt, to determine whether said activities violated the law. I know that this may be just crazy talk, but in order to have a criminal investigation you kinda have to start with either a known crime and then try to figure out who committed it, or you have to have known actions by a known person and try to figure out if those actions are criminal.

With Clinton we know who she is and we know she maintained an email server at home which she used to conduct official state department business. The things she did were not in question, nor the fact that she was involved in doing them. The only question was whether doing this involved a violation of the law.

With this "investigation" (and yeah, I'm putting it in air quotes here), we don't have any known activities from any known person that we suspect may have been criminal as our starting point. What we have is a foreign country hacking into a political party's servers and the data from that server later being released by wikileaks, with the presumption that said foreign country obtained that data and leaked it to wikileaks. Great! That's a crime. We can investigate that. So you should be following the trail of that data, right? Find out who was involved in the hack, find out how the data got to wikileaks and see who was responsible, then figure out if you have any jurisdiction over them, and pursue whatever criminal charges you can.

That's how you investigate, right? You start with the crime and follow it to the criminals. Er... but that's not what's happening here. Here, we have this massive gap. Somehow, via what appears to be some combination of extreme speculation and wishful thinking, we've leaped to a conclusion that someone in the Trump campaign was "involved" somehow. No one seems to know what form that involvement may have taken, nor who might have done it, nor how they could have done it. But let's ignore these pesky facts and "investigate".

What are they actually investigating? What possible evidence could be found that could result in any sort of legal charge involving the original actual crime? As I've pointed out a number of times on this forum, barring finding some recording or email showing a clear conversation between someone connected to the Trump campaign discussing and planning the hack and/or release of the data, and/or promising some sort of quid pro quo in return for said hack and/or release, I'm not sure how you can *ever* obtain a prosecution related to the crime you're actually investigating.

What we have here is an investigation that isn't following a crime or a person, but rather just targeting a group of people and seeing if it can find something they did, not necessarily in any way related to a known crime, which they can be charged with, after the fact. Worse, this is 100% politically targeted. You're choosing to target that group based on its association with a single politician. This sort of thing should send chills down all our spines, and thoughts of authoritarian regimes quashing opposition politicians via abuse and misuse of government power.

A sane legal system cannot allow this form of investigation. It's a fishing expedition. You can't just target a group of people because of their political associations (well, or any reason, this just makes it worse) and just look at everything they've done to see if you can find something. This is scarily reminiscent of the McCarthy hearings. It's not about justice. It's not about following evidence. It is purely about using the investigation itself as a tool to hurt a politician and everyone near him.

I predicted this months ago. I said that the mere fact of someone "being under investigation" would be used as ammunition against them. And what are we seeing right now? Leaks that contain, not evidence of criminal activity, but that "Jared Kuchner is being investigated. OMG! There must be something here!". And "Trump's being investigated. Wow this is really getting serious guys!". Seriously. That's the extent of these leaks. Who's being questioned. Who the investigation is looking at. No context for any of this, just fuel for the speculative fire.

So yeah. It's a witch hunt. I'll ask again: Where is the crime, and how is it connected to anyone currently "under investigation"? There is no connection any of us are aware of that isn't purely speculative. Anyone could be "under investigation" because we could speculate that anyone was involved, right? That's not enough, or should not be enough, to actually investigate people's activities. You have to start with the crime and work to the people. But that's not what's going on here.
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