Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Ukraine has issuesFollow

#52 Mar 01 2014 at 7:00 PM Rating: Excellent
lolgaxe wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
A little water never hurt anyone.
Jason Voorhees.
Margaret Hamilton
____________________________
Allegory wrote:
Bijou your art is exceptionally creepy. It seems like their should be something menacing about it, yet no such tone is present.
#53 Mar 01 2014 at 7:05 PM Rating: Excellent
Avatar
*****
11,417 posts
Friar Bijou wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
A little water never hurt anyone.
Jason Voorhees.
Margaret Hamilton


Charmander
____________________________
Shaowstrike (Retired - FFXI)
91PUP/BLM 86SMN/BST 76DRK
Cooking/Fishing 100


"We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
— James D. Nicoll
#54 Mar 01 2014 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
angrymnk wrote:

coup
ko͞o/
noun
noun: coup; plural noun: coups; noun: coup d'état; plural noun: coups d'état; plural noun: coup d'états

1.
a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

Do you see why it is relevant? It was not illegal. The government lost its mandate from the people. People replaced it.


Now go on and read some news sport. You are almost there. It shouldn't take that much effort to connect the dots from here...although I know our media buried a lot of the real news under all that "Russia's AntiGay" stuff.

Do you know why Ukraine was in the position it was in November? Go look up ultimatum. Then go read some news from last spring through early summer.

Here is a hint to get you started.
Go check out the EU's proposal for its "Agreement in Principle" Tell me if anything jumps out at you that would force the sitting government to take the Russian deal instead. Check out the position of the EU that forced the Ukraine government to abandon the deal...go do some research and come tell us what you found out.


Oh and while you are out there googling for the background news that led up to this point. Check out the Bandera ****'s, and their ties to the minority pro west bloc UDAR Party.




Edited, Mar 1st 2014 9:23pm by rdmcandie
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#55 Mar 01 2014 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent


Some audio for you all. (I forgot about this about a month old now)


Quote:
“I think Yats [Yatsenyuk] is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience,” Nuland says. “What he needs is Klitsch [Klitschko] and [Oleh] Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in, he’s going to be at that level, working for Yatsenyuk, it’s just not going to work.”

Pyatt agrees.

“Let me work on Klitschko,” he can be heard saying, “and I think we should get a Western personality to come out here (to Ukraine) and midwife this thing.”


"@#%^ the EU" pertains to the EU not going along with the US on sanction talks when the Government began to crackdown on the rioters.


For the record the US has its guys where they want them. Yats (Fatherland Party) is the PM and Klitschko (leader of UDAR) is going to be running for President in the next real election, with Tyahnybok maintaining party leadership of the Fatherland Party.






Edited, Mar 1st 2014 11:01pm by rdmcandie

Edited, Mar 1st 2014 11:02pm by rdmcandie
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#56 Mar 01 2014 at 11:54 PM Rating: Good
Imaginary Friend
*****
16,016 posts
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=287_1393605865
(Russian combat helicopters have crossed the border of Ukraine and executed some mission in the Crimea. We can count a dozen of Mi-24 in the video, which is a lot of firepower.)


weeee!

Edited, Mar 2nd 2014 12:55am by Kelvyquayo
____________________________
With the receiver in my hand..
#57 Mar 02 2014 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
Hope they fly and land in the middle of Kiev. Lord knows that the rioters burned out enough of it to provide a landing strip.

Coups are dirty plays and Obama and Merkel should feel ashamed.

____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#58 Mar 02 2014 at 12:11 AM Rating: Decent
DOUBLE!

Ill use it for this.

http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_02_28/Anonymous-operations-expose-Ukrainian-Bandera-*****-9458/

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_23/Anonymous-Ukraine-releases-Klitschko-e-mails-showing-treason-3581/

Edited, Mar 2nd 2014 1:14am by rdmcandie

Edited, Mar 2nd 2014 1:14am by rdmcandie
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#59 Mar 02 2014 at 6:37 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
*****
12,071 posts
You realize that faction is just a different extremist group under a 'popular' nomer, right?

Quote:
Yanukovych said during that press conference he is planning to return to Ukraine. How realistic do you think is this?
Well, I think it really depends on the person and the truth about who is now being made known internationally, which is already happening: many more articles, especially in the internet and blogs, but also some mainstream press started to report it, and I think this is absolutely kosher, and naturally it also depends on the internal situation both in the EU and in the US.


Sure, if Russia want's to openly move in and declare him leader, legitimized by Russian military force, rather than the Ukrainian people.

Yanukovych has also left a paper trail of corruption.

Did you expect the movement to overthrow Russia's puppet wouldn't be pre-planned? that it would be an organic escalation of the protests?

That's a fantasy.
____________________________
Just as Planned.
#60 Mar 02 2014 at 7:50 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
*****
12,071 posts
This.
____________________________
Just as Planned.
#61 Mar 02 2014 at 8:46 AM Rating: Decent
http://i.imgur.com/hi9HbCr.gif updated version
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#62 Mar 02 2014 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
Avatar
*****
12,071 posts
Oh, and we've got diplo leaks.
____________________________
Just as Planned.
#63 Mar 02 2014 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good
Avatar
*****
12,071 posts
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:


The sound is important.
____________________________
Just as Planned.
#64 Mar 02 2014 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
Timelordwho wrote:
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:


The sound is important.


The GIF is updated to include olympic rings on the flag at the start...as for the sound ive seen that episode so many times I can hear the voices in my head!

(also I linked that month old sound clip already!)
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#65 Mar 02 2014 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
Prodigal Son
******
20,049 posts
lolgaxe wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
A little water never hurt anyone.
Jason Voorhees.

That green ***** with the flying monkeys and shoe fetish.
____________________________
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#66 Mar 02 2014 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent
Avatar
*****
11,417 posts
Debalic wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
A little water never hurt anyone.
Jason Voorhees.

That green ***** with the flying monkeys and shoe fetish.


Bijou beat you to that one.
____________________________
Shaowstrike (Retired - FFXI)
91PUP/BLM 86SMN/BST 76DRK
Cooking/Fishing 100


"We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."
— James D. Nicoll
#67 Mar 02 2014 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
Imaginary Friend
*****
16,016 posts
Is the argument here whether or not the EU/USA ("West") is in the wrong by attempting to gobble up sovereign governments en masse for the sake of economic domination or that Russia is in the wrong for taking any opportunity it can to expand the borders of it's influence and if so; are people supposed to take a stance and chose between these two policies?

Am I looking at this too simplistically to view this as a plain struggle between the concept of nation states and the concept of a global economic oligarchy? It seems that Americans (in general) have a somewhat unique perception of these matters. On one hand US citizens, unlike much of Europe, perceive the borders of our country themselves as providing us with the right and status to be citizens of this country, as opposed to Europeans which seems to view the borders of a country as more of a mere political and economic tool rather than a cultural and nationalist qualifier...and the actions of the EU seem to confirm this. On the other hand the United States government seems to operate in the same manner as the European governments in which they seem (to me) to view a 'global' economic state as being more relevant than any notion of nationalism.. except for where the two overlap or where the nationalism can be used to serve the larger economy (eg the banks). This seems to be the root of the growing gulf between the US government and the US population at large excepting where the propaganda has achieved its goal of making people think that their public interest is of more concern than expanding the wealth of big businesses.. big businesses to which any true loyalty to the public of any nation is of no relevant concern except for (once again) where they can serve the interest of the money-making body (eg Ukraine?).

It just seems that all that any of this is (as some have pointed out) and can clearly be quantified as a struggle between borderless economic powers such as the EU(in bed with the US government) and the standard nationalist governments such as Russia that are either big enough or powerful(militarily or economically) enough to refuse to play ball with said conglomerate of economic bodies...
and all of this at the expense of the general public... (not that this notion would be anything new).

Am I just stating the painfully obvious here or should I just grab my tin-foil hat and just believe that the "powers that be" really do have my personal best interest at heart instead of the interest of building new and more efficient ways of gaining more power and more wealth?

I'm clearly a very simply person and just want to process this in the most simple way possible. If something that I have just stated above is inaccurate or off in left-field than please feel free to rip it to shreds and educate me on your superior understanding of the situation of this planet and its people.
____________________________
With the receiver in my hand..
#68 Mar 02 2014 at 10:54 PM Rating: Good
Kelvyquayo wrote:

I'm clearly a very simply person and just want to process this in the most simple way possible. If something that I have just stated above is inaccurate or off in left-field than please feel free to rip it to shreds and educate me on your superior understanding of the situation of this planet and its people.


Thats pretty much the gist of it ya.

EU wants the Ukranian market, and there was more or less a deal in place (at least an agreement in principle, nothing concrete on the finer regulations of said deal), until the EU for some reason (there isn't a clear cut answer that Ive found) decided to tack on an ultimatum that more or less said, "But you have to stop dealing with Russia and being part of their Energy Cartel". US wants Ukraine to come over to the west so it can stick a few dozen NATO anti missile defense systems into it, so Russia can't reliably hit American holdings in the middle east or Europe, and to reduce Russias strategic support to Syria and Iran. Russia wants Ukraine to remain pro Russian, because pretty much all of Russia's pipelines to the EU run through there, Russia and Ukraine have a nice little deal worked out where both nations make a bunch of money off the EuroZone.

When EU stapled their "no working with Russia" Ultimatum on the deal, Russia countered with a sizeable loan, and a new energy deal that would drastically reduce costs for importing russian gas and oil. Basically Ukraine had the option to take a chance on an "agreement in principle" or take a concrete deal that would solve two of the nations biggest issue at present, lack of money, and lack of affordable energy. The US as usual saw a chance to play puppetmaster and stuck its nose into the situation, and as the leaked phone call eluded too, had already discussed the outcome of a possibile overthrown government. But to my knowledge the US was never formally involved in either the deal being tabled, nor it being rejected, they just playing on the opportunity that arose. Granted they could have been in Brussels ear and told them to tack on an ultimatum knowing it would be impossible for Ukraine to accept removing itself self from its position in Russias Energy Cartel (but that last bit is just speculation and only supported by a couple recent email leaks by anonymous so take it with a grain of salt.)







Edited, Mar 2nd 2014 11:57pm by rdmcandie

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 12:24am by rdmcandie
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#69 Mar 02 2014 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
The funny thing is, I am usually pretty on top of goings on and it never dawned on me that the leaked phone call was of any real consequence until the named parties all landed in positions of power in the "temporary" Government. "Angry" linked that call back at the beginning of February and I personally just brushed it off as a diplomatic oops. The Euro websites I hit up are not very happy with the contents, especially now that the Government has changed hands. There is not very much support for the situation in European areas, especially those heavily dependent on Russian Energy. If this thing really goes sideways and Russia turns off the tap Europe is going to be in a great deal of hurt and I think they know that which is why the outcry condemning Russia hasn't been nearly as vocal as the US or even Canada.

Also of note:
The first major action the new government took was to strike down a Russian language law. Which is odd for a transitional Government to do.
A Jewish synagouge was firebombed by elements of the Euromaiden movement (allegedly supported by the Bandera ****'s)
There are reports of Jewish and Ethnic Russians being assaulted and harassed in and around kiev since the Governent was toppled.
In regards to the last two, the Chief Rabbi in Ukraine has urged Jews to flee Kiev and the surrounding areas, and has called on Israel for support.
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#70 Mar 03 2014 at 12:38 AM Rating: Decent
Prodigal Son
******
20,049 posts
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Debalic wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
A little water never hurt anyone.
Jason Voorhees.

That green ***** with the flying monkeys and shoe fetish.


Bijou beat you to that one.

Yeah, looks like I was sitting in that post for awhile.
____________________________
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#71 Mar 03 2014 at 7:10 AM Rating: Default
Scholar
**
743 posts
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Hope they fly and land in the middle of Kiev. Lord knows that the rioters burned out enough of it to provide a landing strip.

Coups are dirty plays and Obama and Merkel should feel ashamed.



Heh. I see now.

The west is trying to **** off mother Russia, but taking away one of her prodigal children.

***

I gotta run to work so I am in cliff notes mode. It is in the world's interest that Russia is taken down a peg.

____________________________
Your soul was made of fists.

Jar the Sam
#72 Mar 03 2014 at 8:03 AM Rating: Good
******
44,512 posts
Debalic wrote:
Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
Debalic wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
A little water never hurt anyone.
Jason Voorhees.
That green ***** with the flying monkeys and shoe fetish.
Bijou beat you to that one.
Yeah, looks like I was sitting in that post for awhile.
We would have accepted "The Electric Fence."
____________________________
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#73 Mar 03 2014 at 8:18 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Speaking of Chancellor Merkel,
LA Times wrote:
Russian President Vladimir Putin has agreed to a German proposal for international observers to review the tense standoff in Ukraine’s Crimea area, a Kremlin news service dispatch indicated Monday.

The proposal for a “contact group” of mediating foreign diplomats and an observer delegation to assess Moscow’s claims that ethnic Russians are threatened with violence under Ukraine’s new leadership was made by German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a late Sunday phone call to Putin, her spokesman told journalists in Berlin on Monday.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#74 Mar 03 2014 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,320 posts
Jophiel wrote:
Speaking of Chancellor Merkel,
[quote=LA Times]Russian President Vladimir Putin has agreed to a German proposal for international observers to review the tense standoff in Ukraine’s Crimea area, a Kremlin news service dispatch indicated Monday.

Putin is putting is newly acquired world viewing skills to good use.

How does one observe 'threatened violence'?

If the popular vote supports it and Ukraine gave up Crimea to Russia, would everyone be happy?

____________________________
Alma wrote:
Post and be happy!
#75 Mar 03 2014 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
******
27,272 posts
Not the western part of Ukraine, it would risk east Ukraine seceding as well and it would lose a lot of income from tourism.
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#76 Mar 03 2014 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
Speaking of Chancellor Merkel,
LA Times wrote:
Russian President Vladimir Putin has agreed to a German proposal for international observers to review the tense standoff in Ukraine’s Crimea area, a Kremlin news service dispatch indicated Monday.

The proposal for a “contact group” of mediating foreign diplomats and an observer delegation to assess Moscow’s claims that ethnic Russians are threatened with violence under Ukraine’s new leadership was made by German Chancellor Angela Merkel during a late Sunday phone call to Putin, her spokesman told journalists in Berlin on Monday.


Eh Germany put themselves in a whole when they elected to ratify an EU deal with an ultimatum stapled to the bottom. Germany has to much to lose from a US style of politics, 40% of their NatGas, and 35% of their oil comes from Russia, hence the soft ball. Merkel Herself is in a weak position overall as there are many other people in opposition to her that have friendly ties with Russia, so really she doesn't have much sway due to her minority government. Which is one reason why Germany hasn't jumped on the sanction train, and contradicted the US/Canada position that Russia be removed from the G8. (granted Canada just took itself out of the G8 in protest instead of just blowing smoke)


Elinda wrote:

If the popular vote supports it and Ukraine gave up Crimea to Russia, would everyone be happy?


Doubtful, if that happened the majority pro Russian East would likely desire to cede as well, as they share no real ties with the Western provinces. Which would result in a huge backlash across Ukraine as well in regards to national capital. Furthermore with Crimea removed as a trading chip the Ukraine would be at the mercy of Russia in terms of energy costs, and would essentially become insolvent, resulting in even greater unrest in the West. At present the majority of prosperity in the Ukraine comes from its Eastern side, they have the jobs, the factories, the energy, the farmland. Losing that means you may as well just give up the whole nation.

That also sticks Poland and Belarus in a peculiar situation as well, as all Russia would then need to do is lean on their Pro Russian regions and fracture those countries as well.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 10:08am by rdmcandie
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#77 Mar 03 2014 at 10:02 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
I won't bother cutting and pasting a bunch of stuff but here's an article detailing some of the economic and diplomatic punitive measures underway or in discussion by the White house.
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#78 Mar 03 2014 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
******
27,272 posts
So apparently Russian forces have given Ukraine a 4:00 AM deadline for all military on Crimea to surrender or they'll attack.
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#79 Mar 03 2014 at 10:50 AM Rating: Excellent
Meat Popsicle
*****
12,018 posts
Kelvyquayo wrote:
Am I looking at this too simplistically to view this as a plain struggle between the concept of nation states and the concept of a global economic oligarchy? It seems that Americans (in general) have a somewhat unique perception of these matters. On one hand US citizens, unlike much of Europe, perceive the borders of our country themselves as providing us with the right and status to be citizens of this country, as opposed to Europeans which seems to view the borders of a country as more of a mere political and economic tool rather than a cultural and nationalist qualifier...and the actions of the EU seem to confirm this. On the other hand the United States government seems to operate in the same manner as the European governments in which they seem (to me) to view a 'global' economic state as being more relevant than any notion of nationalism..
It's Oceania versus Eurasia; Orwell was a prophet.

Kelvyquayo wrote:
Am I just stating the painfully obvious here or should I just grab my tin-foil hat and just believe that the "powers that be" really do have my personal best interest at heart instead of the interest of building new and more efficient ways of gaining more power and more wealth?
You should wear it anyway, it'll make you a more attractive and interesting person.

Smiley: tinfoilhat

Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
When EU stapled their "no working with Russia" Ultimatum on the deal, Russia countered with a sizeable loan, and a new energy deal that would drastically reduce costs for importing russian gas and oil. Basically Ukraine had the option to take a chance on an "agreement in principle" or take a concrete deal that would solve two of the nations biggest issue at present, lack of money, and lack of affordable energy.
The way I saw it you had two world powers asking a nearly bankrupt country who they wanted to get screwed by. Given they've (Ukraine) been too busy fighting amongst themselves over the last decade to concentrate on economic matters this situation was probably more or less inevitable.
____________________________
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
#80 Mar 03 2014 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
Meat Popsicle
*****
12,018 posts
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
So apparently Russian forces have given Ukraine a 4:00 AM deadline for all military on Crimea to surrender or they'll attack.
Huh, and the Russians are now denying doing so? Not that that doesn't seem par for the course for them here. Smiley: rolleyes

Guess we find out in a few hours.
____________________________
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
#81 Mar 03 2014 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
******
27,272 posts
BBC link. Certainly doesn't seem like Russia is denying anything although they still claim it's all to counter ultra nationalists they have basically conquered Crimea.
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#82 Mar 03 2014 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
Avatar
*****
12,071 posts
Tanks have moved up to the Polish border. Looks like they are conducting "exercises".
____________________________
Just as Planned.
#83 Mar 03 2014 at 11:51 AM Rating: Excellent
******
44,512 posts
And France surrendered.
____________________________
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#84 Mar 03 2014 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,320 posts
Timelordwho wrote:
Tanks have moved up to the Polish border. Looks like they are conducting "exercises".

Nothing worse than tanks with belly flab.

Didn't Putin already make plans with Andrea Merkel to 'observe' what's not been done?
____________________________
Alma wrote:
Post and be happy!
#85 Mar 03 2014 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
BBC link. Certainly doesn't seem like Russia is denying anything although they still claim it's all to counter ultra nationalists they have basically conquered Crimea.


I counter with this

Also on the Economic front, I think its funny that the US plans to target the Russian economy. Russia will just shut off the Gas/Oil to the East wait a couple weeks and the EU will be back begging for the sh*t, meanwhile demand will rise on the finite amounts from elsewhere, driving the costs up globally. Except in Energy rich nations. Like Russia. Russia hasn't even started playing its economic cards.

Putin Victor!
CCCP #1

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 12:57pm by rdmcandie

While the world was focused on Crimea, and Ukraine, Czech Republic has invaded/conquered Slovakia.

Source CNN: http://i.imgur.com/NPzK81w.jpg





Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 12:59pm by rdmcandie
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#86 Mar 03 2014 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Russia will just shut off the Gas/Oil to the East wait a couple weeks and the EU will be back begging for the sh*t

Russia's plan for handing economic pressure will be to eliminate its own primary source of revenue?
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
While the world was focused on Crimea, and Ukraine, Czech Republic has invaded/conquered Slovakia.

Smiley: laugh

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 12:16pm by Jophiel
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#87 Mar 03 2014 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Russia will just shut off the Gas/Oil to the East wait a couple weeks and the EU will be back begging for the sh*t

Russia's plan for handing economic pressure will be to eliminate its own primary source of revenue?


Sell it to China so they can conquer south Asia!

Or they can just borrow cash from China like everyone else.
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#88 Mar 03 2014 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
Supreme Lionator
*****
14,174 posts
Quote:
Also on the Economic front, I think its funny that the US plans to target the Russian economy. Russia will just shut off the Gas/Oil to the East wait a couple weeks and the EU will be back begging for the sh*t, meanwhile demand will rise on the finite amounts from elsewhere, driving the costs up globally. Except in Energy rich nations. Like Russia. Russia hasn't even started playing its economic cards.


Haha, no, very wrong. Winter is over, there are plenty of other places to get gas and the Russian economy depends on them selling to somebody. In an economic war the EU would snap Russia's back like a twig. If you put the EU and US economies together, you can't even see Russia's. The cold war ended because Russia lost and went back to being an impoverished backwater. There's a reason the rouble is crashing and not the euro or the dollar; there's a reason the Russian stock-market is the one getting ****** in the **** hardest.

Funny picture, though.
____________________________
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
#89 Mar 03 2014 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
Kavekk wrote:
Quote:
Also on the Economic front, I think its funny that the US plans to target the Russian economy. Russia will just shut off the Gas/Oil to the East wait a couple weeks and the EU will be back begging for the sh*t, meanwhile demand will rise on the finite amounts from elsewhere, driving the costs up globally. Except in Energy rich nations. Like Russia. Russia hasn't even started playing its economic cards.


Haha, no, very wrong. Winter is over, there are plenty of other places to get gas and the Russian economy depends on them selling to somebody. In an economic war the EU would snap Russia's back like a twig. If you put the EU and US economies together, you can't even see Russia's. The cold war ended because Russia lost and went back to being an impoverished backwater. There's a reason the rouble is crashing and not the euro or the dollar; there's a reason the Russian stock-market is the one getting @#%^ed in the **** hardest.

Funny picture, though.


Because Russia was a dominant financial market, or had a competing Global Currency before today. LOL. You should take that show on the Road.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 1:57pm by rdmcandie
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#90 Mar 03 2014 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
Supreme Lionator
*****
14,174 posts
Yeah, I know Russia's economy is ****, that's my point. That doesn't stop currency shocks mattering, rather the opposite.
____________________________
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
#91 Mar 03 2014 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
Kavekk wrote:
Yeah, I know Russia's economy is sh*t, that's my point. That doesn't stop currency shocks mattering, rather the opposite.


Not when you are not dependent on imports to sustain your production capacity. The value of their currency loss is applicable only outside their boarders. They have just over 300B Trade Surplus. Economic war with Russia would be a futile attempt at resolving the situation. Which is why the EU isn't even on the same page as Murika. It is an ineffective tactic to a self sustaining economy. Germany for example gets hit harder by a declining Russian currency than Russia. Such is the power of being an Exporting nation. If EU doesn't want to buy from Russia, then Russia will just sell to China and Asia.






Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 2:15pm by rdmcandie
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#92 Mar 03 2014 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
Supreme Lionator
*****
14,174 posts
Mm, mm. Only Germany's balance of payments is further in the black than Russia's (which is approximately half what you said it was, year on year) - Germany is a stronger exporter, being heavily reliant on their (very strong) exports due to their tepid home market. Germany's economy is also about 150% larger than Russia's, of course, and they have quite a lot of friends. Russia has... the Kazakhs.

All modern economies are dependent on imports, even very large nations such as the US, China, Brazil or Russia.

You may notice that the Russian Central Bank doesn't share you view and have spent a considerable sum already slowing down the rouble's slump. Maybe they know something you don't? Anything about the international economy, for example.
____________________________
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
#93 Mar 03 2014 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
Meat Popsicle
*****
12,018 posts
BBC live feed wrote:
Breaking News

Ukraine's ousted President Viktor Yanukovych has written to Russian President Vladimir Putin asking him to use military force in Ukraine, says Russia's envoy to the UN, Vitaly Churkin.
Well that's all the justification they need, the man they consider the ruler of the country officially asking for an intervention.

BBC live feed wrote:
Here's the important part of a photocopy of the letter read out by the Russian envoy to the UN, which he says was sent by ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych to Vladimir Putin: "In view of this [events in Ukraine], I ask the president of Russia, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, to use the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to restore legality, peace, law and order and stability, and to protect the population of Ukraine, (Signed) Viktor Yanukovych, 1 March 2014".


Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 1:42pm by someproteinguy
____________________________
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
#94 Mar 03 2014 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
Everyone's Oiran
Avatar
*****
15,923 posts
I found THESE TWO MAPS to be extremely illuminating about the entire political situation within Ukraine.

Situationally, I don't see any moral difference between Iraq/Saddam Hussain violating sovereign borders to invade Kuwait in the 1990's and Russia/Putin violating sovereign borders to invade a major region of Ukraine now. If we went to war over the former, and we don't go to war over the latter, then obviously more than moral considerations are going on.
____________________________
<3

http://www.reddit.com/r/Forum4/
#95 Mar 03 2014 at 4:44 PM Rating: Excellent
Meat Popsicle
*****
12,018 posts
Aripyanfar wrote:
Situationally, I don't see any moral difference between Iraq/Saddam Hussain violating sovereign borders to invade Kuwait in the 1990's and Russia/Putin violating sovereign borders to invade a major region of Ukraine now. If we went to war over the former, and we don't go to war over the latter, then obviously more than moral considerations are going on.
I certainly hope so, I don't really feel like dying in a nuclear war.

Anyway, this map was my favorite.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 2:45pm by someproteinguy
____________________________
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
#96 Mar 03 2014 at 4:52 PM Rating: Excellent
******
44,512 posts
I think this is the most accurate map so far.
____________________________
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#97 Mar 03 2014 at 4:53 PM Rating: Excellent
******
27,272 posts
Aripyanfar wrote:
If we went to war over the former, and we don't go to war over the latter, then obviously more than moral considerations are going on.
Russia has more and bigger guns.
____________________________
Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
someproteinguy wrote:
Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
Astarin wrote:
One day, Maz, you'll learn not to click on anything Aeth links.
#98 Mar 03 2014 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
Aripyanfar wrote:
I found THESE TWO MAPS to be extremely illuminating about the entire political situation within Ukraine.

Situationally, I don't see any moral difference between Iraq/Saddam Hussain violating sovereign borders to invade Kuwait in the 1990's and Russia/Putin violating sovereign borders to invade a major region of Ukraine now. If we went to war over the former, and we don't go to war over the latter, then obviously more than moral considerations are going on.


God the comments section on that hurt my head. As for the Kuwait comparison it doesn't really fit the bill here. Huge difference between Iraq and Kuwait, and Russia and Crimea. Russia was ASKED to come to Crimea.

A better comparison would be France and Mali. Mali like Ukraine, had violent protests, Mali like Ukraine had their government overthrown due to protests, The North Region like Crimea, asked their closest friends for help, France like Russia answered that call for help, France like Russia beefed up security at their military bases, France like Russia placed military units at key infrastructure and service hubs (airports, boarder crossing, major highways, sea ports*if Mali had any). The protesters in Mali like Ukraine have been linked to shady elements, in Mali it is links to Al Qaeda, and in Ukraine the Bandera **** movement.

No one called that an invasion, and this is hardly an invasion either. Russia all ready controls Crimea...why invade something you already "own". Its just a game, Obama played his hand with overthrowing the democratically elected pro East Government, and now Putin is playing his by kicking up a bunch of sand in America's face to show West Ukraine they aren't going to find support from NATO, and like Victoria Nuland said....@#%^ the EU.









Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 6:18pm by rdmcandie
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#99 Mar 03 2014 at 5:54 PM Rating: Default
Scholar
**
743 posts
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Russia was ASKED to come to Crimea.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 6:18pm by rdmcandie


See... you have all this knowledge, present it in a manner that makes me question myself and then say something silly like this. There is an old joke about that would get you sent far, far away. Less, if you inform UB first that the person who told you the joke laughed.

Sigh..I am sure Georgia asked for the intervention too. ****, I am sure Poland asked to become 17th republic of USSR.

Asked...

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 7:00pm by angrymnk
____________________________
Your soul was made of fists.

Jar the Sam
#100 Mar 03 2014 at 6:14 PM Rating: Default
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_01/Russia-will-not-disregard-Crimean-PMs-request-for-help-Kremlin-3372/

Quote:
Russia will not disregard Crimean Prime Minister Sergey Aksenov's request addressed to President Vladimir Putin on providing assistance in maintaining peace and accord in Crimea, a Kremlin source told Interfax. Following an appeal by the Prime Minister of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov, to the Russian President, Vladimir Putin, for assistance in securing peace and quiet in Crimea the Russian presidential administration said Russia would not disregard the request.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26397323

Quote:
The unofficial pro-Moscow leader of Ukraine's autonomous Crimea region has asked Russian President Vladimir Putin for help to ensure peace.A Kremlin source said it would "not leave unnoticed" the request from Sergiy Aksyonov. Reports speak of a clash overnight in Crimea's capital and an attempt to seize a Ukrainian missile base. Ukraine's interim Prime Minister, ******* Yatsenyuk, accused Russia of seeking to provoke an escalation.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2014/03/01/Crimea-appeals-to-Russia-to-restore-peace.html

Quote:
Meanwhile, Aksyonov called on Putin Saturday to help restore “peace and calm” to the Black Sea peninsula, amid a standoff with the new authorities in the capital Kiev, reported AFP. “Taking into account my responsibility for the life and security of citizens, I ask Russian President Vladimir Putin to help in ensuring peace and calm on the territory of Crimea,” Sergiy Aksyonov said in a statement broadcast in full by Russian state television. Russia responded by saying it will not ignore Crimea leader’s request for help. “Russia will not leave this request without attention,” a source in the Kremlin administration was quoted as saying by Russia’s main news agencies.


HAHAHA GOOD JOKE EH!
____________________________
HEY GOOGLE. **** OFF YOU. **** YOUR ******** SEARCH ENGINE IN ITS ******* ****** BINARY ***. ALL DAY LONG.

#101 Mar 03 2014 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
******
44,512 posts
Any pictures of him saying that stuff without little red dots trained on his chest?
____________________________
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 39 All times are in CST
angrymnk, lolgaxe, Anonymous Guests (37)