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#352 Dec 20 2012 at 9:55 PM Rating: Decent
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The fact that it was an off-duty police office is irrelevant btw (cause I know you'll try to go that route). If the same off-duty police officer had been at the Sandy Brook school last Friday (perhaps because he had a kid in the school), he would not have been able to stop the shooting because he would not have legally been able to carry a weapon with him on the school


Let's ban handguns for all non police and let off duty ones carry 24/7 anywhere.

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#354 Dec 20 2012 at 10:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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He stopped the killer from killing the boy he was targeting

Conjecture. He was also under fire from law enforcement. You have no idea if he would have hit or not. You say he "stopped the killer" because that supposition best helps your argument.

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The fact that it was an off-duty police office is irrelevant btw

It's absolutely relevant since few people argue against having armed law enforcement officers and make the distinction between police training and someone buying a gun because an ad told them it'd get their "man card" back. But you already knew this which is why you're scrambling to discredit the relevance.

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If the same off-duty police officer had been at the Sandy Brook school last Friday (perhaps because he had a kid in the school), he would not have been able to stop the shooting because he would not have legally been able to carry a weapon with him on the school (or even near the school).

He would have been legally allowed to carry it if he had a carry permit issued by the state and that state requires background checks...
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(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
...which fits the CT carry permit requirements.

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So... great job passing laws that get kids killed, I guess?

I bet that sounded more clever in your head when you thought you were right.

I'm just making the point that you will insist that every time someone pulls out a gun they must have stopped a mass shooting but you can't point to a single bona fide FBI-defined "mass shooting" that was actually stopped by an armed civilian. It's not for lack of trying -- people have intervened and died for it without stopping the shooter. As I said, it's as though you must get magical bullet immunity after it becomes a mass shooting.
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#355 Dec 20 2012 at 10:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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As I said, it's as though you must get magical bullet immunity after it becomes a mass shooting.


+6 avoidance to range attacks to be precise. The problem is civilians automatically have a -4 to range attacks to begin with so it is loose, loose for anyone that isn't an officer or military.
#356 Dec 21 2012 at 1:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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#357 Dec 21 2012 at 5:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Also LTQ. FFS, it is so EASY, stop making yourself look so silly!!!!

Do you really think it's an issue of me not knowing how? Or does it seem more likely that it's an intentional stylistic choice?


No I don't really think you don't know how, but I like to poke you about it Smiley: lol Also an intentional lack of style! Or the stylistic equivalent of a Carrot Top comedy show.

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#358 Dec 21 2012 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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#359 Dec 21 2012 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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The latest fashion trend for mass-shooters are bullet proof vests. So, no the lone hero with his handgun that happens upon a mass shooting is not likely going to stop the killer. More likely they'd just become another victim.

Besides all mass-shooter are video game experts - they're trained to deal with peds.

How about if we equip all school kids with bullet proof vests. It's probably not anymore costly than arming teachers and principals but is a whole lot more palatable.
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#360 Dec 21 2012 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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And, as the NRA holds a press conference saying we need an armed officer in every school in America, reports come in of a man driving down a Pennsylvania road, shooting people seemingly at random. Two men and a woman dead, shooter dead, three police injured.
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Four people died on a Pennsylvania highway on Friday when a gunman shot dead three people and later was killed in a shootout with police, according to Pennsylvania media, citing authorities.

Three state troopers were injured in the incident in Frankstown Township, about 100 miles east of Pittsburgh.

Investigators suspect the shooter might have been driving when he opened fire, shooting people for unknown reasons, the Pittsburgh Tribune Review reported, citing an official with the Blair County Emergency Management Agency.

"The Pennsylvania State Police have neutralized the active shooter in Frankstown Township, Blair County. There is no longer a threat to residents and visitors to this area from this individual," the Blair County Emergency Management Agency said on its Facebook page.
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The unidentified highway shooter killed two other men and a woman, the Altoona Mirror reported, citing the prosecutor, Blair County District Attorney Richard Consiglio.
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#361 Dec 21 2012 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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I think someone did something similar to that here in Michigan just recently. On I-96 I think it was, shooting random people. He was charged with terrorism, among other things. They were talking about it either this morning or yesterday on the news.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/12/terrorism_other_new_felony_cha.html
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#362 Dec 21 2012 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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clearly we need armed guards at every intersection, exit and turnpike.
#363 Dec 21 2012 at 4:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Everyone should be an armed guard, that way there'd be nobody left to commit any crimes.
#364 Dec 21 2012 at 4:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Of course! No one with a gun would ever willfully choose to attack anyone else with a gun; just ask any military historian. Smiley: nod
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#365 Dec 21 2012 at 4:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, not if they're all guards or on the same team. Just ask that UN blue helmet guy who shot 4 of his colleagues today.
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They let the blue helmet guys have guns?
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#367 Dec 21 2012 at 4:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Apparently. I don't know if they;re allowed to use them though.
#368 Dec 21 2012 at 4:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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It seems there's a good reason for that.
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#369 Dec 21 2012 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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They let the blue helmet guys have guns?


Some of the blue guys do support the NRA, so it's all good.
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#370 Dec 21 2012 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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It seems there's a good reason for that.
You know, you're all nice and whatnot but then sometimes you make a post that makes you look like more of an ******* than Theo.










Still, makes me laugh so it's all good.
#371 Dec 21 2012 at 5:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
It seems there's a good reason for that.
You know, you're all nice and whatnot but then sometimes you make a post that makes you look like more of an @#%^ than Theo.










Still, makes me laugh so it's all good.


Smiley: lol

Just means I've been hanging out here with you people too long Smiley: tongue

I believe you though. People have told me as much about my sense of humor in the past, all in good fun. Smiley: grin
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#372 Dec 21 2012 at 5:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Let's just repurpose TSA agents to work school security checkpoints.
#373 Dec 21 2012 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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Though I guess there'd be some issues with giving kids **** cavity searches.
#374 Dec 21 2012 at 6:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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There was an armed guard at Columbine.
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On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and one teacher at Columbine. On the scene that day was Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff’s deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years.

As a CNN report describes, Gardner was eating lunch when he got a call from a custodian that he was needed in the school’s back parking lot. A few minutes later, he encountered Harris and the two exchanged gunfire. Harris was not hit and ran back inside the school. At that point, “Gardner called for additional units to respond to the south parking lot of Columbine High School. … While he was on the radio calling for assistance, five other Jefferson County deputies already were on their way, arriving only minutes after the first report of a ‘female down’ at Columbine High School.” Later, Gardner saw Harris again, through a broken window. Once again, he fired. Once again, he didn’t hit him.
#375gbaji, Posted: Dec 21 2012 at 8:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's not magic bullet immunity Joph. It's that usually, if a civilian is right on hand with a firearm, he's able to stop the shooter before he kills that many people. The cases where more than 4 people are killed are overwhelmingly cases where there's no civilian with a firearm on hand to try to stop it. So the odds of an armed civilian showing up *after* the shooting has gone that far is lower than the odds that the police will already have arrived, or that the shooting has ended for some other reason.
#376 Dec 21 2012 at 8:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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And I'm going to assume that the parents of the 20 dead children in Newtown probably think that as well.

I bet they wish no one involved had a gun, period and not that there was a cowboy-shootout at the Elementary School Corral.
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