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I apologize for not speaking at a level of clarity in which you could understand. I doubt their Employers pay them to be fake, that is something the girls DECIDE to do for additional tips. There is a difference.

Whats your point? If I paid a guy to rape your eyes out with a cactus, you wouldn't like it.

Lots of people like that kind of ultra-cheerful servility, while it makes others want to go on a killing spree. Just because waiters act that way in anticipation of making bank off the first kind of person doesn't in any way make the second response unreasonable.

Hey Rocket Scientist, he was asking Aethien. You can tell by who he quoted.

This is why I have Alma on ignore.

Okay, it's a reason I have Alma on ignore.

unless that is your kink


So some people like some things, and some people don't like those same things. Huh. Interesting

That's the differentiation that you're failing to acknowledge. If the employer isn't paying them to behave that way, then the customers inherently aren't paying them either. So when I go there, I'm not paying them to behave that way at all. They choose to behave that way in the hopes that I like it and give them more money. I have nothing personal against that, it's just not a reason for me to go to Hooters.

Isn't that exactly what they are doing? It's not like there's some magic that makes the waitresses at Hooters act any more falsely interested in whatever their customers are doing/saying than waitresses anywhere else. All wait staff do it, not because their employers force them to, but because you get better tips feigning interest in whatever thing the customer might happen to be talking about at the moment.

WTF Joph! Stop spilling trade secrets.

Then you treat it as any other employee would treat a scenario where the employer penalizes them for doing something outside of their job description. I can't encourage women at my retail store to wear sensual clothing and flirt with our customers if that isn't part of the job. That is a law suit waiting to happen.



That's the point. All wait staff show interest in their customers, but the level of interest varies. It's one thing to be polite and generous, it's another thing to sit next to you and casually make physical contact in a phony conversation. So, if the waitresses have the option, then one can't claim that they can't make good tips without doing it when wait staff around the world do.

Again, I have nothing against them doing that. It's just not a reason for me to visit and spend money.

No, it's not. And guess what? You will do that, even if you don't do it intentionally for that reason. You have two employees at your retail store. One of them sells twice as much as the other. Which one do you keep on, promote, etc and which do you lay off, not promote, etc? The fact that the one with the nice cleavage who flirts with the customers is the one who gets more sales isn't your fault. What's the alternative? We force employers to favor the employee who gets less sales in some kind of sex appeal affirmative action program? Sorry. That's just stupid.




First off, let me say that I've been to Hooters a few times in my life (used to know someone who bartended at one back in the day), and I've never had a waitress sit down and engage in "physical contact" with me. So I'm curious if you're exaggerating a bit there. I'm not precluding the possibility of a waitress doing this to garner more tips (and maybe she actually will get more, so there's that!), but I don't think that is anything that's specific to Hooters.

It's at whatever limits the law (and the employer) wants to place on employee customer interaction.




No one's talking about an employer forcing an employee to do anything though. We were talking about an employer rewarding employees for their performance (specifically sales), which could be influenced by the choices the employee makes. And that can include sex appeal.



Sure. And no one's saying an employer can't set the standards at his establishment. It's just that you seem to want to try to find something "wrong" with other people making their own choices. Ultimately, it's up to employers to decide what's acceptable behavior, and employees to act within those limits to make themselves as good at their jobs as possible. And yes, that means if an employer decides that women flirting with the customers is ok, and women who flirt with the customers increase sales and profits, then those are choices each of them make along the way.

You're free to make different choices as well. Although it's an interesting quandary. Imagine you own a retail store and you notice that one of your female employees dresses in a way that's maybe a bit more sexual than you're comfortable with and flirts with the customers which you're also not too sure of, but then you realize that sales are up 30% when she's on the job. What do you do? At what point do your morals conflict with your business acumen?

I don't think it's that cut and dried either.

I bet you're a hoot to chat with.

Clearly he's just that impressively intimidating.