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LOL'd so hard...so many peoeple skip craftables,gems/enchants "well its not BiS so why bother" FFS :(

Dunno if it applies to who you said, but I see this a lot in fail pugs I go on with my alts

That is the one of the problems that is percived with WoW the war between "eliteists" and "casuals". There are plenty of us out there that don't want to be "raidflowers" and work hard to see all the content, but we don't want this to be our lives cause we have those already with family and jobs. While I have not seen uludar I can't wait too and don't care if we wipe over and over. I personally think there are a lot more people and guilds like me and my guild and we are the quiet ones jsut going out there and having fun. Once Blizzard stops listening to the whiners on both ends of it they will find the best balance for the majority

You really have to commend Franglo for being so honest.

He could have read the newest notes from Blizzard about WoW difficulty being nerfed once again, but he chose to comment.

Let me bullet point his comments.

Too high repair bills, due to wipes on easy raid bosses.

Can't get past 25man Saph or KT.

Don't want to join a guild with better players, cause of strict loot rules, and they ask players show up for scheduled raids.

WoW should continue to release content the majority of players can see.

Players of WoW who want more of challenge should go play something else.

First and foremost, you can't get any easier raid content than 10 or 25 man Naxx. Well, I guess OS with no drakes up, but an actual raid no, you can't.

How easy should WoW be Franglo?

By your own account of playing, you and the guild you are in, seemingly have a problem on Thaddius. The whole fight revolves around players moving from point "A" to point "B" depending on your polarity. There is no challenge to that fight.

There are bosses in Zelda with more challenge than Thaddius.

You also stated you don't want to network with other raiding guilds, because you feel they have too many rules, or hoops to jump through to be a part of their guild. Well honestly when dealing with +25 players that want progression raiding, rules and standards are going to be part of that. Probably why your guild can't figure out how to move from Point "A" to Point "B" on Thaddius.

See the problem with people like Franglo is, they never want to take the time to actually learn boss fights themselves, they just want to be a raidflower, on the fringe of the raid, doing 1700dps, coming to raids unenchanted and ungemmed, when asked about their lack of enchants and gems, they say they are saving up for the 20,000g Mammoth Mount, and that the raid better not wipe too many times, cause that will cause repair bills, and take away from their savings for the Mammoth Mount.

Another problem with people like Franglo, is they cry and scream: "I want to see content!"

Well you can actually see WoW content, and you don't even need the game or subscription. Just watch the clps of boss fights on youtube, or go look at screenshots on the web. Cause honestly, the more Blizzard nerfs content to please the imbeciles, downing bosses will be as gratifying as watching other people down raid bosses on youtube.

What these people want is easy access to epic loot, so they can strut around Dalaran and be like : "OMGZ!! CHECK OUT MY EPIXS!!!!

What they don't understand is if WoW is so easy, everyone they are showing their epic loot to, has the same epics, it loses it's value of accomplishment.


When Ulduar was released, my guild had 25man Naxx on farm. Of the 20 or so people that were on that day, I could only get 6 others to come with me to Ulduar, and we pugged 3 other people. The first week we downed Flame Levithan, Razorscale and Deconstructor. None of us knew the fights beforehand, and we spent a lot of time, gold, and energy downing those bosses over the course of the entire week. It's been my funnest time playing WoW yet.

However during the week, the majority of people who didn't want to run Ulduar, were complaining during the week that the best players and those who lead the 25man Naxx raids, were in Ulduar, and that they were not getting in their 25man Naxx runs.

/gquit

As did all the others who were in Ulduar, and we joined other progression guilds.


Oh and if you think WoW is too hard, go play Wii "Watching Paint Dry, While Saliva Falls Out Your Mouth" and leave us Elitists alone.



Edited, Apr 29th 2009 6:51am by Redrockets

its funny that 90% of the people i come across on Khadgar server that talk about how easy raids are, are the people that cant form a cohesive thought. they are the people that randomly end up in your pug, complaining about how they hate pugs when you whipe, and make smart comments when you call them out on not doing the most basic part of the fight.

example? just the other day me and my wife figured we'd try the new vault boss in a pug, 10 man because 25 man is a joke, a warlock named Darsi was going on about how he hates pugs because we were whiping, when mousing over him on recount revealed he hadnt once attacked an add to prevent the aoe whipe, when called out on it he calls it "my opinion" and i leave it at that because people like that are morons and dont diserve my time

my point? not everyone is in a hardcore raid guild that spends most of their time on wow testing the new bosses on ptr, not everyone is in a guild that can make up for your disguised shortcomings, ulduar to an average guild is in no way easy, and tbh, 9 out of 10 of you that say it is are the people that are cocky jerks on the game that dont know much more than key smash dps, if you know what your doing, then grats to you, but every cocky "lawl raids be easy!" idiot i come across i can point out things that they constitantly do wrong and refuse to listen when i bring it up

the jump from kara (pre 3.0) to za is in no way the degree of the jump from naxx to ulduar is at present which really only leaves room for the hardcore raiders to progress while that average raid guild that can clear everything else has troubles

content SHOULD be worked for, but at present, atleast 2-3 people in every group that clears shouldnt be there by that standard

if you seriously want a challenge and want to talk about how easy raids are, leave that speed clear no whipe guild group your in and pug it, untill you do that then your just calling getting dressed in the morning easy when your mom picks out your clothes

We did Kologarn in 10 man today. Was he already nerfed? Cause he was really easy.

They're basically nerfing all the bosses we 1 or 2-shot rather than the boss we've spend 6 hours wiping on now.

/sigh