Jophiel wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
As long as you don't die it's okay to be sick, risk long term health issues, and cost your work place in productivity. That's the current argument, innit?
I think the argument is that, if Trump dies, he didn't die from Covid but from being old and fat so it doesn't count.
Or, the argument is that if he doesn't die, and maybe experiences minor symptoms and a speedy recovery, maybe folks might not think that covid is the automatic death sentence they've been indoctrinated to believe. And then, maybe, they might realize that the ridiculous restrictions they've been subjected to out of an abject fear of having even a small increase in the chance of being exposed to covid are not helping much in terms of health, but are absolutely killing us in terms of economics.
There's a difference between caution and fear. And for the last 5 months or so the Left has leaned very heavily to the "fear" side of that range. They know that when people are afraid, they are more likely to act irrationally out of that fear, and more willing to submit to authoritarianism if it promises to protect them from that thing they fear. I think that we are giving up way too much of our liberty for what appears to be a very very small amount of extra security.
Ran across a bit of funny information. The median age for those who have died from covid-19 in the US is 78. The median lifespan for people living in the US? 78. What this means is that while covid is an additional cause of possible death, it's killing people at the same statistical age as, well, all other causes of death. So yeah, I think taking reasonable precautions makes sense, but the sheer fear I've seen people exhibit is just not a good way to go IMO.
There's also a ton of just plain false perceptions out there about the stats on covid. I've been in arguments with two different sets of friends in just the last week who both argued strongly that covid cases and death rates are rising and have been for months. I pointed to the cdc data, which clearly shows that covid cases and deaths basically spiked in mid July, flattened out to mid August, and have steadily declined in the two months since then. The response, was that they were talkin about California. So I showed the graphs for our state, showing similar trends. Then they insisted, that no, they were talking about San Diego county. It's the county that's experiencing increases recently. To which I showed the county graphs (which I had to go to latimes to get, since cdc, and john hopkins don't have convenient county graphs), and showed... wait for it... the same freaking trend.
Basically, the media only seems to report upticks in cases, never when they fall from one week to the other. So we see these ups and downs, where it'll drop by 60% one week, then go up by 45% the next. The result over time is a slow decrease, but the perception from the media consumer is that it just goes up and up and up. Cause that's all they hear on the news. It's misleading as heck, but that's what is going on. And yeah, in all cases I've encountered, the people who have grabbed onto this false information are the ones most vocal about how important the shut downs and restrictions are. The folks who look at the actual facts are the ones who are more willing to go out, less concerned about crowds, more rational on mask wearing (while indoors, and in close proximity to other people who aren't part of your household), and much less tolerant of the more absurd covid inspired closure orders.
We need more people, and fewer sheeple.