Friar Bijou wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
gbaji wrote:
If I randomly act in a way that just happens to disproportionately harm one group more than another, that's not racism.
Please outline an scenario where that could happen. Really; do that.
... I run a random pool at work...
1. That's a terrible example.
Why? You asked for a scenario in which I could randomly act in a way that happens to disproportionately harm one group more than another. I provided a scenario in which I randomly pick numbers out of a hat, which disproportionately harms one group (the 5 blacks in the pool in this case) more than another (the 5 whites in the same pool). I'm not sure what could be more random that picking numbers out of a hat.
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2. According to your own past posts, nobody is being harmed in this scenario.
Huh? The black guys are losing money and the white guys are winning money. No one's being "intentionally harmed", but that wasn't the condition I was given. Remember that my argument was that for this to be racism, or even racial discrimination, the person had to intend to do harm to someone based on their race. I'm arguing that intent matters. As an example, I'm showing how if someone does something randomly, with no intent to harm anyone based on their skin color, we don't consider it racism. And your response is that it doesn't count, apparently because there was no
intent to harm?
Um... You're actually kinda proving my point for me there.
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Try again with a more real-world and, incidentally, less illegal example, please.
Pools aren't illegal btw. Um... But sure:
You and I are police officers. We each randomly pull over the exact same number of motorists each day. Totally random. As in, every X number of cars driving by, we pull one over. You patrol an upper middle class low crime neighborhood. I patrol a high poverty high crime neighborhood. I will encounter more drivers who are intoxicated than you. I will find more drivers with drugs in their cars than you. I will make more arrests than you. Even though we both use the exact same criteria to pull people over, and search them.
Now. If there's a disproportionately higher percentage of black people living in my neighborhood than yours, what does that do to the race stats? We will see that between the two of us, there's a disproportionately higher percentage of black people being arrested. But neither of us are engaging in any form of racial discrimination at all. The problem isn't with racism on our parts, but on the poverty statistics themselves.
I'm not sure why it's so hard for some people to grasp this.