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#777 Mar 15 2016 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
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Yup, sorry, I'm sick and my reading comprehension is poor right now.

I absolutely think Sanders would offer the veep position to Hill. It's too bad that superdelegates will prevent him from winning the nomination.
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Maybe I have a more keen eye for this than most because I pay attention to how nuances of tone are used in the media...

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I absolutely think Sanders would offer the veep position to Hill. It's too bad that superdelegates will prevent him from winning the nomination.

Don't you worry about our side of the fence. You go on now and vote for your Cruz or Trump or whoever...
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I guarantee you that Hillary would jump at the Veep position if Sanders wins. And the party would make **** sure he offered it.

I seriously doubt it. Sanders doesn't help her in any area she's not already strong from a general election standpoint. Her running mate will be some back-bench state representative from somewhere in the Rust Belt, as they always are.


I think he was saying that Sanders would offer Clinton the VP spot if he won the nomination. Which I doubt either he'd offer, or she'd accept. Well, or that he'd win the nomination anyway.
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Rubio is saying now that he's staying in even if he loses Florida. Oy vey.

There's no real good outcome in Ohio for the GOP. Either Trump wins it and is pretty much a lock or else Kasich wins it and feels he has a mandate to stick around longer, continuing to fracture the "not Trump" vote. Rubio's pretty irrelevant either way -- his mighty 3% support won't mean much. He hasn't even cleared a delgate in most of the post-Super Tuesday races (aside from DC and Puerto Rico)

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#782 Mar 15 2016 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
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I absolutely think Sanders would offer the veep position to Hill. It's too bad that superdelegates will prevent him from winning the nomination.

Don't you worry about our side of the fence. You go on now and vote for your Cruz or Trump or whoever...

Gary Johnson wasn't on the ballot. Smiley: frown
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#783 Mar 15 2016 at 5:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe I have a more keen eye for this than most because I pay attention to how nuances of tone are used in the media...

Aw, lordy... Smiley: laugh


People don't tend to notice slant in media coverage when it favors them. But you do notice when every time an issue or candidate you favor is mentioned the reporters use a down inflection, and every time an issue or candidate you disagree with is mentioned, the inflection is upwards. Seriously. Pay attention, not to the words people say, but how they say them. Most people react to what they are hearing based more on the verbal cues than the actual words. Body language has an effect on visual media as well. Most people are also not aware of this fact, despite being quite clearly influenced by it.
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Yeah, yeah, you're a regular media savant.

In less ridiculous news, Clinton winning Florida by 2:1 margins.
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Rubio just said that we live in a republic. Sounds like the candidate for Twiz!
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And... Rubio is dropping out. After just saying today that he wouldn't drop out. See, you can't trust this guy -- that's why no one will vote for him!
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I guarantee you that Hillary would jump at the Veep position if Sanders wins. And the party would make **** sure he offered it.

I seriously doubt it. Sanders doesn't help her in any area she's not already strong from a general election standpoint. Her running mate will be some back-bench state representative from somewhere in the Rust Belt, as they always are.


Lefe is saying that Sanders could offer Hillary the second spot, not that Hillary would offer the job to the Bernese mountain dog.
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Clinton's got a 2:1 lead in Ohio with 10% in. That's... unexpected. Dunno if it's just a matter of which districts are reporting though.

Edit: CNN is calling it 10%, in but Google is calling the same vote tally 1% in. I'm wondering if someone at CNN added a zero

AP calling Ohio for Clinton at 3% in, currently 66-32. Looks like Sanders is about over if those numbers hold up.

Edited, Mar 15th 2016 7:41pm by Jophiel
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#789 Mar 15 2016 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
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If I randomly act in a way that just happens to disproportionately harm one group more than another, that's not racism.
Please outline an scenario where that could happen. Really; do that.


Seriously? This is a real question? Um... I run a random pool at work. Everyone puts $10/week into the pool, and each week we draw randomly from a hat to see who wins the pot. There's 5 black guys and 5 white guys participating. It just so happens that after 20 weeks of doing this, more than 50% of the winners happen to be white. You get that random chance almost never results in perfectly equal outcomes, right? There's an infinite number of possible ways in which random chance can (and will) result in unequal outcomes. And if those things happen to have a mix of people of different races, then guess what? The outcomes will not be equal based on the relative number of each race in the mix the majority of the time. The flaw is assuming that it will be, and that the mere fact of unequal outcomes is somehow proof, not just of some form of racial discrimination in the process itself, but of actual racism.

That's a **** of a stretch to make.
1. That's a terrible example.
2. According to your own past posts, nobody is being harmed in this scenario.

Try again with a more real-world and, incidentally, less illegal example, please.
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Rubio is saying now that he's staying in even if he loses Florida. Oy vey.

There's no real good outcome in Ohio for the GOP. Either Trump wins it and is pretty much a lock or else Kasich wins it and feels he has a mandate to stick around longer, continuing to fracture the "not Trump" vote. Rubio's pretty irrelevant either way -- his mighty 3% support won't mean much. He hasn't even cleared a delgate in most of the post-Super Tuesday races (aside from DC and Puerto Rico)


Both Rubio and Kasich have been numerically excluded from a possible majority for a while now. Both are staying in to maximize the odds of a contested convention. Well, or to have delegates to pool when/if that scenario plays out. As I suggested a week or so ago, it's hard to be sure what happens if one pulls out versus stays in at this point. How many Rubio or Kasich voters will shift to Trump instead of Cruz if they drop out? Does that push him over the majority if they do? On the other hand, as you get more winner takes all (or semi-winner takes all as is often the case), that same strategy may result in Trump getting more delegates instead.

Dunno. I'm still more or less in the "drink heavily for the next 4 years" mindset at this point. Just remember two words: President Trump. Lol!

EDIT: Or not. Smiley: bah

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Friar Bijou wrote:
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If I randomly act in a way that just happens to disproportionately harm one group more than another, that's not racism.
Please outline an scenario where that could happen. Really; do that.

... I run a random pool at work...

1. That's a terrible example.


Why? You asked for a scenario in which I could randomly act in a way that happens to disproportionately harm one group more than another. I provided a scenario in which I randomly pick numbers out of a hat, which disproportionately harms one group (the 5 blacks in the pool in this case) more than another (the 5 whites in the same pool). I'm not sure what could be more random that picking numbers out of a hat.

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2. According to your own past posts, nobody is being harmed in this scenario.


Huh? The black guys are losing money and the white guys are winning money. No one's being "intentionally harmed", but that wasn't the condition I was given. Remember that my argument was that for this to be racism, or even racial discrimination, the person had to intend to do harm to someone based on their race. I'm arguing that intent matters. As an example, I'm showing how if someone does something randomly, with no intent to harm anyone based on their skin color, we don't consider it racism. And your response is that it doesn't count, apparently because there was no intent to harm?

Um... You're actually kinda proving my point for me there.

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Try again with a more real-world and, incidentally, less illegal example, please.


Pools aren't illegal btw. Um... But sure:

You and I are police officers. We each randomly pull over the exact same number of motorists each day. Totally random. As in, every X number of cars driving by, we pull one over. You patrol an upper middle class low crime neighborhood. I patrol a high poverty high crime neighborhood. I will encounter more drivers who are intoxicated than you. I will find more drivers with drugs in their cars than you. I will make more arrests than you. Even though we both use the exact same criteria to pull people over, and search them.

Now. If there's a disproportionately higher percentage of black people living in my neighborhood than yours, what does that do to the race stats? We will see that between the two of us, there's a disproportionately higher percentage of black people being arrested. But neither of us are engaging in any form of racial discrimination at all. The problem isn't with racism on our parts, but on the poverty statistics themselves.

I'm not sure why it's so hard for some people to grasp this.

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Why? You asked for a scenario in which I could randomly act in a way that happens to disproportionately harm one group more than another. I provided a scenario in which I randomly pick numbers out of a hat, which disproportionately harms one group (the 5 blacks in the pool in this case) more than another (the 5 whites in the same pool). I'm not sure what could be more random that picking numbers out of a hat.
But after 20 years of running this poll, when white people have won 60-70% of the pots, there might be a suspicion that something is not quite truly random.

seriously, what's wrong with you. It's pretty ******* easy to tell when an outcome is outside any reasonable likelihood of happening randomly. So no one is going to cry foul at someone flipping heads twice in a row, but that's not what's ******* happening.

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More like President Clinton. The GOP has saddled itself (well, more like the Republican base has saddled the GOP) with either Trump or Cruz, two terrible choices for November. That and the likelihood of a contested convention where a significant number of primary voters will go away feeling cheated.

Great night for Hillary though.
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#794 Mar 15 2016 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
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Keen eye, huh.

Looks like some conservatives are taking a page out of Trump's playbook. Bill Wichterman, Bob Fischer, and Erick Erickson will be organizing a closed-door meeting tomorrow in DC to discuss how to take out the Donald, with the possibility of bringing in a third-party nominee. Apparently the invitation reads "Please join other conservative leaders to strategize how to defeat Donald Trump for the Republican nomination, and if he is the Republican nominee for president, to offer a true conservative candidate in the general election." Which I guess goes with some donors who've been spreading money to research firms about that very topic.

But really, Rubio shouldn't have just dropped out, he should have disappeared into the Florida swamps for like two weeks so at least he'd have a story to distract from how demolished he got in his own state. Missouri is pretty damn close at this point.
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Trump lost Ohio's 66 delegates but he looks on track to win almost all of Illinois' 69 delegates. States awards some to the overall winner and rest by congressional district and Trump looks like he'll win almost every district.

Trump looks poised to win MO by maybe 2,000 votes.

Edited, Mar 15th 2016 10:06pm by Jophiel
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Huh? The black guys are losing money and the white guys are winning money. No one's being "intentionally harmed"
Adding modifiiers is not allowed since it's your gorram statement. Losing a bet is not "harm". (Again, according to like 76767676007654 posts you've made in the past).
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Remember that my argument was that for this to be racism, or even racial discrimination, the person had to intend to do harm to someone based on their race.
No You said "If I randomly act in a way that just happens to disproportionately harm one group more than another, that's not racism."

Being assigned to the worst crime area and then arresting minorities is not "random".

Try again, Einstein.

Fuck, you get more desperate every day.
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I guarantee you that Hillary would jump at the Veep position if Sanders wins. And the party would make **** sure he offered it.

I seriously doubt it. Sanders doesn't help her in any area she's not already strong from a general election standpoint. Her running mate will be some back-bench state representative from somewhere in the Rust Belt, as they always are.


This. There is no way Sec Clinton would tarnish her career by being the VP of a single candidate issue running off of "pie in the sky" policies. That is a train wreck that she would avoid. Likewise, her VIP pick is rumored to be Rep. Castro. She'll probably pick a non-white male.
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I absolutely think Sanders would offer the veep position to Hill. It's too bad that superdelegates will prevent him from winning the nomination.

Don't you worry about our side of the fence. You go on now and vote for your Cruz or Trump or whoever...

Gary Johnson wasn't on the ballot. Smiley: frown
Honestly, that's the candidate I'd most want to win at this point, but we all know that isn't going to happen if he doesn't get the support of a major party, so eff it. Let's burn everything!

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Dunno. I'm still more or less in the "drink heavily for the next 4 years" mindset at this point. Just remember two words: President Trump. Lol!
Both the president we deserve and need right now. If I wasn't lazy, I'd Photoshop Batman's face orange. Okay, well, I'd use MSPaint. But you know what I mean.

Also, in case you missed it: Anonymous has declared war on Trump. Smiley: laugh
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Trump looks poised to win MO by maybe 2,000 votes.
Same with Hillary. Seems the state was split down the middle on any candidate.
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Looks like both Trump and Clinton will win Missouri by under 2,000 votes each. I suppose the "Well, MY vote wouldn't have made a difference" people are technically correct but, if 2,000 people who'd rather see Cruz over Trump or Sanders over Clinton went and voted, it would have.

Sorta. Dem delegates are proportional so who wins by 0.3% there is just for bragging rights. GOP primary offers extra delegates to the state winner.

Edit: That'll teach me to walk away from my keyboard mid-post for 20min and do work

Edited, Mar 16th 2016 9:19am by Jophiel
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