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#752 Mar 14 2016 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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By a 2:1 margin, GOP primary voters in Florida who paid attention to the Chicago kerfluffle said it made them MORE likely to vote for Trump.
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#753 Mar 14 2016 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
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This is Shapiro you're talking about. He's been taking every opportunity to snipe at Trump he's had. I've been expecting him to resign over Trump for a while now.
You'll have a hard time convincing me to think less of a guy who's concerned about his media outlet being in the tank for a specific candidate.
I don't think he is though. I think he's just mad that it's not HIS candidate.
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You punch them in the kidneys and take the mangos from their cart like an adult.

Spoken like a true Trump supporter.
Not really. Most Trump supporters would find mangoes too foreign and demand they go back over the wall. Smiley: tongue I do marginally support him but only because I'm so annoyed with the Shamefur Dispray the rest of both parties have made of this election cycle(well, all of them since I've been alive, really, but it has gotten worse). They deserve Trump, so I want to give him to them. Also, I might be an internet troll.

I do have hope that after a Trump presidency, maybe the parties will get serious and listen to voters for a change, but that's probably because I'm a pollyanna.
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I think the press has gone from unwavering lapdog for him to shining a light on his circus.
I'm not sure you and I have been watching the same media. Breitbart aside, it's been non-stop attacks on Trump since day one. He's either getting lambasted as a horrible candidate or held up as the Ghost of Election Future if "voters for X don't get serious".

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By a 2:1 margin, GOP primary voters in Florida who paid attention to the Chicago kerfluffle said it made them MORE likely to vote for Trump.

Are you really surprised?

Edited, Mar 14th 2016 11:52am by Poldaran
#754 Mar 14 2016 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think he is though. I think he's just mad that it's not HIS candidate.

Based on? I'm not any real fan of Shapiro but saying "He quit because he's mad they didn't like his candidate enough" isn't an especially reasonable assumption without evidence.
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I'm not sure you and I have been watching the same media

I'm not sure you have. When a guy gets a free 90 minutes to give a QVC demonstration of his amazing steaks and magazines, it's hard to pretend that he's being mistreated.

Edited, Mar 14th 2016 1:00pm by Jophiel
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#755 Mar 14 2016 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think he is though. I think he's just mad that it's not HIS candidate.

Based on?
A couple interviews I've watched. His beef with Milo Yiannopolous about Trump has been pretty entertaining.
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I'm not sure you have. When a guy gets a free 90 minutes to give a QVC demonstration of his amazing steaks and magazines, it's hard to pretend that he's being mistreated.
Didn't say he was. But to call them his lapdog? They're covering him because he generates views. And they spend a heck of a lot of time attacking him(if you really want, I can pull up examples, but I'd rather not put in that kind of effort). It's not working against him because his voters don't care, but that isn't for lack of trying. Even Fox News has had a hate ***** for Trump. Breitbart aside, I struggle to name a media outlet who can even be considered "Pro-Trump", at least intentionally. They can "shine a light on his circus" all they want. I really don't think it's gonna help anyone but Trump.

Edit: You edited before I finished. Amending.
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I'm not any real fan of Shapiro but saying "He quit because he's mad they didn't like his candidate enough" isn't an especially reasonable assumption without evidence.
Oh no, he quit because of the argument and maybe even out of principle. I was responding to your supposition that he was "concerned about his media outlet being in the tank for a specific candidate." I don't think he had a problem with that, just with who the candidate was.

Edited, Mar 14th 2016 12:16pm by Poldaran
#756 Mar 14 2016 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
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By a 2:1 margin, GOP primary voters in Florida who paid attention to the Chicago kerfluffle said it made them MORE likely to vote for Trump.

We're talking about a state where people eat peoples faces on bath salts, though.
#757 Mar 14 2016 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
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Sure, drugs. Not zombies.
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#758 Mar 14 2016 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Sure, drugs. Not zombies.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-militia-forms-to-forcefully-protect-rally-goers-against-far-left-agitators/ At the severe risk of a Godwin's, my vote is zombies.
#759 Mar 14 2016 at 12:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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There's no way this could end poorly. Smiley: rolleyes
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#760 Mar 14 2016 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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"If I will..." or "If I win..."?

Though it would be pretty cool if Sanders could just will a revolution into being.
I apologize for the poor wording. He essentially said that the only way that any of his bills would pass would be through a political revolution. There would be a "huge" turnout and those people would vote in a new Congress favorable to President Sanders.

Given that a Congress with a 13% approval rating essentially was all re-elected in 2014, his implementation strategy is more unrealistic than his actual plan.
#761 Mar 14 2016 at 1:27 PM Rating: Good
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I agree with Alma. Democracy has failed.

Trump will make America great again.
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#762 Mar 14 2016 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
I think Trump will make America great by getting slapped the hell down like a little three year old and rolled out of the primaries or crushed in the GE, once and for all proving to the knuckledragging cousin-humpers of the world that they have not nor ever will run a damn thing in this country.
#763 Mar 14 2016 at 4:38 PM Rating: Good
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I agree with Alma. Democracy has failed.

Good thing we live in a republic.

Phew!
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#764 Mar 14 2016 at 6:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sooooo many ads...

Sanders is all about getting my money back from the banks. Clinton is all about black people, oh yeah, also that bank thing.

Cruz is running an ad that's just a fast-talking mess, a far departure from some of his slick and effective ads earlier. Rubio is running an ad that hilariously suggests that a vote for Rubio is sticking it to the establishment by electing a true conservative. Trump had some ad that I can barely remember, he also has some terrible radio ad that's him just rambling talking points for about 45 seconds. No Kasich ads that I've seen.

I've seen more humble looking hardhat clad men and women driving bolts or moving I-beams or offloading machinery than there are manufacturing jobs in the entire state.

Curiously, there's almost no lawn signs or bumper stickers to be seen. There are more signs supporting a local library referendum than for all the ballot candidates combined. If not for the TV ads, you wouldn't guess that there's going to be an election tomorrow.

Edited, Mar 14th 2016 7:34pm by Jophiel
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#765 Mar 14 2016 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Sooooo many ads...

Curiously, there's almost no lawn signs or bumper stickers to be seen.

Edited, Mar 14th 2016 7:34pm by Jophiel


I did my part with a Cthulhu bumper sticker. Oddly, support for its nomination barely moved. I did not even see one person point it out and chuckle. It is a sad day when Chicagoland loses its sense of humor.

In better news, Cook county is reporting record early voting. Naturally, this means that functional retards will be out in full force.
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#766 Mar 14 2016 at 8:04 PM Rating: Good
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Sooooo many ads...

Sanders is all about getting my money back from the banks. Clinton is all about black people, oh yeah, also that bank thing.

Edited, Mar 14th 2016 7:34pm by Jophiel


What do you suppose the odds are they might actually run together? I could see Clinton/Sanders or Sanders/Clinton being pretty unstoppable in the GE against anyone.
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#767 Mar 14 2016 at 8:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Sooooo many ads...

Sanders is all about getting my money back from the banks. Clinton is all about black people, oh yeah, also that bank thing.

Edited, Mar 14th 2016 7:34pm by Jophiel


What do you suppose the odds are they might actually run together? I could see Clinton/Sanders or Sanders/Clinton being pretty unstoppable in the GE against anyone.

I guarantee you that Hillary would jump at the Veep position if Sanders wins. And the party would make damn sure he offered it.

Edited, Mar 14th 2016 10:13pm by Lefein
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Sure, drugs. Not zombies.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-militia-forms-to-forcefully-protect-rally-goers-against-far-left-agitators/ At the severe risk of a Godwin's, my vote is zombies.


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#769 Mar 15 2016 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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And here I thought it was a dictatorship.
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#770 Mar 15 2016 at 8:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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#771 Mar 15 2016 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Fortunately, we have dictionaries where defined words trump personal interpretation. The Kl@n doesn't think they are racist either. So I ask again. Can a person act out of racism and not be racist?


No. The problem is that you have not established that they "acted out of racism". Get it?

Can a person be called a racist even if they are not? That's the issue here.

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If you really thought it was irrelevant, then you wouldn't have called them "admitted racists"
Demea called them racist, not me.


You called them "admitted racists". As I said earlier, there's a huge difference between expressing your opinion of what someone else is, and claiming that other person has admitted it.

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See above. I literally said that their actions could have been a coincidence.


Then why call them "admitted racists"?

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A better analogy would be if I were to argue that the DNC candidates are fighters. Person B says that Sen. Sanders is nothing but a big quitter. Then I respond with "So YOU ARE saying that the admitted quitter is staying in the race till the convention? Then you come in accusing me of accusing Sen. Sanders as being an "admitted quitter" as opposed to acknowledging the direct contradiction given the entire context of the conversation you chose to ignore.


Huh? I'd make the same argument I'm making now. That one person saying that someone else is a quitter is not the same as that person admitting to being a quitter. You're redefining the context to suit your own narrative when you do that.


It's a really simple question: Are the NYC police admitted racists? Yes or no? Just say no, and we can move on.
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If I randomly act in a way that just happens to disproportionately harm one group more than another, that's not racism.
Please outline an scenario where that could happen. Really; do that.


Seriously? This is a real question? Um... I run a random pool at work. Everyone puts $10/week into the pool, and each week we draw randomly from a hat to see who wins the pot. There's 5 black guys and 5 white guys participating. It just so happens that after 20 weeks of doing this, more than 50% of the winners happen to be white. You get that random chance almost never results in perfectly equal outcomes, right? There's an infinite number of possible ways in which random chance can (and will) result in unequal outcomes. And if those things happen to have a mix of people of different races, then guess what? The outcomes will not be equal based on the relative number of each race in the mix the majority of the time. The flaw is assuming that it will be, and that the mere fact of unequal outcomes is somehow proof, not just of some form of racial discrimination in the process itself, but of actual racism.

That's a hell of a stretch to make.
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I guarantee you that Hillary would jump at the Veep position if Sanders wins. And the party would make **** sure he offered it.

I seriously doubt it. Sanders doesn't help her in any area she's not already strong from a general election standpoint. Her running mate will be some back-bench state representative from somewhere in the Rust Belt, as they always are.
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I'm not sure you have. When a guy gets a free 90 minutes to give a QVC demonstration of his amazing steaks and magazines, it's hard to pretend that he's being mistreated.
Didn't say he was. But to call them his lapdog? They're covering him because he generates views.


Yes. Which is precisely why he employs those sorts of antics in the first place. Hence "lapdogs". They're doing all his heavy lifting for him.

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And they spend a heck of a lot of time attacking him(if you really want, I can pull up examples, but I'd rather not put in that kind of effort). It's not working against him because his voters don't care, but that isn't for lack of trying.


I think it is partly both. When the media does attack him, its for him being exactly what his supporters like about him. But most of the time, media doesn't speak in its own voice. It repeats allegations by others. So most of the media coverage of Trump is how outraged <some group> is about something Trump did or said. But if you've been paying attention, it's not the words that those in the media use, but the inflection in their voice when saying it that affects people's perceptions, and the tone of Trump coverage over the last 6-8 months has been positive. It's been about how strong he is to stand up to criticism of his harsh-but-true statements, and how well he's doing despite all those people who dislike him. When nearly every single report criticising him starts or ends their segment by talking about how well he's polling, it's hard to say that they're "attacking" him.

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Even Fox News has had a hate ***** for Trump. Breitbart aside, I struggle to name a media outlet who can even be considered "Pro-Trump", at least intentionally. They can "shine a light on his circus" all they want. I really don't think it's gonna help anyone but Trump.


Exactly. Do you get that most of the people in the media (aside from conservative talk and most on Fox) wants Trump to win the nomination, right? Maybe I have a more keen eye for this than most because I pay attention to how nuances of tone are used in the media to dismiss or encourage a position based on how it affects things politically (generally in favor of left leaning politicians or ideas). But what I've noticed since late summer is that the media reports on Trump like it reports on liberal politicians, not conservatives. It "reports" negatives about him, but with a positive tone. Once you start paying attention to this, it's really obvious to see and hear. They say the words condemning something Trump did or said, but say it in a way that makes people have a positive view of Trump anyway. I see this all the time, and I've been seeing it with Trump.

I'm sure their reasoning is that if they can help Trump win the GOP nomination, then Clinton will have an easy time of it. Recall that she's a very weak candidate, and nearly every single poll has her losing to pretty much anyone the GOP puts up against her. Except Trump. Here's the problem though. The media has spent the last 8 months or so doing this. I don't think they'll be able to reverse that if/when he wins the nomination. They've literally trained the public to not just ignore the antics of Trump, but to transfer those things into a perception of strength on his part. I don't know how they're going to pull off the whole "Ok, when he was running for GOP nomination, you were supposed to laugh off this stuff, but now that he's running in the general, take it seriously" bit. I'm sure they'll try, but it'll be an uphill battle. Doubly so with Clinton as the best the other side can bring.


In any case though, the media coverage has been overwhelmingly helpful to Trump. Even if it doesn't look like it from a surface view of the coverage itself.
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I guarantee you that Hillary would jump at the Veep position if Sanders wins. And the party would make **** sure he offered it.

I seriously doubt it. Sanders doesn't help her in any area she's not already strong from a general election standpoint. Her running mate will be some back-bench state representative from somewhere in the Rust Belt, as they always are.

Lefein didn't say Hillary would choose Sanders as a running mate. He (she?) said that She would jump at being Sanders' running mate, if he pulled off the nomination.
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Sanders would offer nothing to a Clinton ticket. Clinton wouldn't offer much to a Sanders ticket either and, frankly, I doubt she'd want the job. It's not as though she's going to run for president again in 4-8 years if she doesn't win this one. It's this or nothing. Sanders would be better off finding some younger up-and-comer; a senator or governor, state attorney general or the like. Not "brand new to the job" young but young enough to conceivably run for the big seat in the future.
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