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#2777 Apr 11 2017 at 5:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Speaking of Fatal Foot In Mouth Disease, what's the over under on Spicer now? After his nice little Hitler comment today it's got to be close to 1:1.

God, that was painful. "Even Hitler didn't use gas! .. Ok, I mean he used gas but he brought them to Holocaust Centers [wtf?] and then gassed them ... What I meant was that Hitler didn't drop poison gas on innocent people ... By 'innocent people', I meant people who were in cities at the precise moment of their poison gassing ... You probably shouldn't kill any innocent people, I guess."
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#2778 Apr 11 2017 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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lolgaxe wrote:
Speaking of Fatal Foot In Mouth Disease, what's the over under on Spicer now? After his nice little Hitler comment today it's got to be close to 1:1.

God, that was painful. "Even Hitler didn't use gas! .. Ok, I mean he used gas but he brought them to Holocaust Centers [wtf?] and then gassed them ... What I meant was that Hitler didn't drop poison gas on innocent people ... By 'innocent people', I meant people who were in cities at the precise moment of their poison gassing ... You probably shouldn't kill any innocent people, I guess."


Yeah. It was a fumbled mess. Um... But you did kinda have to go there with the statement (which to be honest, he should have been prepared for). There's a pretty huge distinction between using poison gas to kill people in concentration camps, and dropping bombs with chemical warheads on them when engaging in military attacks. It was clear to me that he was making the point that chemical weapons were banned after the effects of them were seen on the battlefields in WW1, and that even someone as nasty as Hitler complied with that rule of war.

The key point was that the prohibition was against using them as weapons in warfare. What he did in the concentration camps was a whole different level of evil, but (and this is a point that's difficult to make without looking like a jerk), not actually in violation of the Geneva Protocol, nor any later variations of said law. They're all specific to the use of such weapons "in warfare". Spicer's problem was assuming that everyone would get what he was talking about, and then not being prepared when many people didn't get it.
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#2779 Apr 11 2017 at 6:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Haha... Only you, man. Only you...
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#2780 Apr 11 2017 at 7:24 PM Rating: Good
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Apparently to conservatives playing golf on Memorial Day is worse than lessening the Holocaust during Passover.
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#2781 Apr 11 2017 at 7:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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CNN wrote:
After a review of the same intelligence reports brought to light by House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes, both Republican and Democratic lawmakers and aides have so far found no evidence that Obama administration officials did anything unusual or illegal, multiple sources in both parties tell CNN.
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However, over the last week, several members and staff of the House and Senate intelligence committees have reviewed intelligence reports related to those requests at NSA headquarters in Fort Meade, Maryland.

One congressional intelligence source described the requests made by Rice as "normal and appropriate" for officials who serve in that role to the president.
And another source said there's "absolutely" no smoking gun in the reports, urging the White House to declassify them to make clear there was nothing alarming in the documents.

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The FBI obtained a secret court order last summer to monitor the communications of an adviser to presidential candidate Donald Trump, part of an investigation into possible links between Russia and the campaign, law enforcement and other U.S. officials said.

The FBI and the Justice Department obtained the warrant targeting Carter Page’s communications after convincing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge that there was probable cause to believe Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power, in this case Russia, according to the officials.


So the Rice story is a nothingburger and a FISA court was convinced last year that there was reasonable cause to think a Trump advisor was working with the Russian government. Hey, maybe that Spicer blunder was planned after all!
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#2782 Apr 11 2017 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Apparently to conservatives playing golf on Memorial Day is worse than lessening the Holocaust during Passover.


It's not a zero sum game. Two things can be equally evil while still being evil for different reasons. In no way does observing that even Hitler complied with existing restrictions on the use of chemical weapons during warfare while Assad has not lessen the Holocaust. The point, in case you all missed it, was that even a guy like Hitler, who did horrible things, and actively worked to kill off an entire group of people, including rounding them up and gassing them, still refrained from using chemical weapons on the battlefield.

If that somehow offends someone, then they're trying to darn hard to be offended.
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#2783 Apr 11 2017 at 8:40 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Modern surveillance operations do not consist of setting up surveillance. It consists of running search algorithms on the massive farms of data we have collected, using key words, names, etc to find information on the people we're interested in. The purpose of masking US people at the source, is specifically to make it impossible for some random analyst to "accidentally" just happen to run a search on "people in the Trump transition team" and thus violate the FISA prohibition against using surveillance of foreign targets to conduct surveillance on US people. In this context, the act of unmasking those people is the same as spying on them, and requires a warrant.
You could have just written "I don't know how intelligence services operate" and left it that, but I know you love to type, so...
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#2784 Apr 11 2017 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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What's scary is that the claim you're making (that if you're on the US end of a conversation with someone we're collecting surveillance on means you are automatically a criminal or spy or enemy of the US) is in exact polar opposition to the basic reason why FISA exists and why its rules are set up the way they are, and for that matter, the entire concept of needing a warrant in the first place.
No. What's scary is that you seem to think that when information pointing toward an American breaking a law is discovered during the surveillance of a foreign national that the government can't act on it.

Edited, Apr 11th 2017 8:45pm by Bijou
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#2785 Apr 11 2017 at 9:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
If that somehow offends someone, then they're trying to darn hard to be offended.
Those silly Jews. Always making such a big deal over the Holocaust.
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#2786 Apr 11 2017 at 9:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
If that somehow offends someone, then they're trying to darn hard to be offended.

...says the man who went ape irate over flag pins.
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#2787 Apr 12 2017 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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There's a 90% chance I'll be in Afghanistan in early 2018, 9% wherever this budding World War III is leading to, and 1% I'll figure out a way to remain in a less explody country. Then unless the rotation calendar changes it's a clear ride to retirement. Options A and 3 aren't so bad (relatively speaking, that is), but β could be a hassle. The thing is my contract technically ends July18 so I could also possibly just walk away.

Anyway, speaking of World War III, 45 explained that the pointless strike on Syria was Obama's fault and should have totally happened all those years ago when 45 was actively insisting on Twitter how it totally should not be done at any cost and praising Obama for not taking any military action. Because consistency.
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#2788 Apr 12 2017 at 10:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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The less explody options sounds good at least. Need to up those odds somehow.

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Anyway, speaking of World War III, 45 explained that the pointless strike on Syria was Obama's fault and should have totally happened all those years ago when 45 was actively insisting on Twitter how it totally should not be done at any cost and praising Obama for not taking any military action. Because consistency.
I thought it was all an emotional response to seeing hurt kids? Because that's supposed to make us feel better about the whole thing or whatever.
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#2789 Apr 12 2017 at 11:27 AM Rating: Good
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Mr.T just hired neocon advisors. Nothing else really explains the strike.
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#2790 Apr 13 2017 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Looks like Assad is taking a page out of our playbook. When confronted with videos and images during an interview published Thursday by Agence France-Presse Bashar al-Assad dismissed them and said that The West, mainly the US, "fabricated the whole story in order to have a pretext for the attack" and that the evidence collected was actually by Al-Queda.
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#2791 Apr 13 2017 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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But why are chemical weapons materially different than, say, barrel bombs?
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#2792 Apr 13 2017 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Killin' people outside in is considered more humane than inside out?
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#2793 Apr 13 2017 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well on the bright side, now it looks like there may not be much left in Afghanistan by 2018. Except maybe fragments of really big bombs.
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#2794 Apr 13 2017 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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Huh, they actually dropped a MOAB. I guess they really don't care about indiscriminate weapons anymore.
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#2795 Apr 13 2017 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like word on the street is that it was a message to NK that tunnels can be easily targeted by with non nuclear ordnance. That and asphyxiation is not to be ruled out as a viable weapon class, regardless of Syrian intervention.
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#2796 Apr 13 2017 at 1:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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This was probably my favorite quote:
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White House press secretary Sean Spicer said the US had used a “large, powerful and accurately-delivered weapon” to disrupt the movements of militants in the country.
The idea of accurately delivering something with a 1-mile blast radius is a fairly amusing thought. Sounds like they dropped it in the mountains by the border at least, so there's less likelihood it killed lots of innocent people.

Not that you'd ever be able to tell, of course...

Little bobby went out to collect the sheep and never came back, No remains were ever found or anything, so the government says no one knows what happened to him, but there's a mile wide crater where the pasture used to be that's been officially determined to be unrelated to his disappearance.. Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Apr 13th 2017 12:33pm by someproteinguy
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#2797 Apr 13 2017 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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This was probably my favorite quote:
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White House press secretary Sean Spicer said the US had used a “large, powerful and accurately-delivered weapon” to disrupt the movements of militants in the country.
The idea of accurately delivering something with a 1-mile blast radius is a fairly amusing thought.
Was that before or after we killed like a dozen allied fighters in Syria because we had "the wrong coordinates" ?
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#2798 Apr 13 2017 at 1:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Please it's "alternative coordinates," and just because the liberal media says they're wrong doesn't mean they are. Smiley: disappointed
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#2799 Apr 13 2017 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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I mean the allied fighters were fighting IS not Assad so I guess it was just a happy little accident.
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#2800 Apr 13 2017 at 4:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Looks like word on the street is that it was a message to NK that tunnels can be easily targeted by with non nuclear ordnance

Of course, so can Seoul.

Anyway, all the nuclear labs and bases are probably soon to be renamed "Kim Jong-Il Memorial Nuclear Facility & Orphanage".

Edited, Apr 13th 2017 5:31pm by Jophiel
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In his first speech as the director of the CIA, Mike Pompeo called Wikileaks a "non-state hostile intelligence service" that is often abetted by "state actors like Russia." Yesterday at the Center for Strategic and International Studies Pompeo called Assange a "fraud," someone with no “moral compass” and a “narcissist who has created nothing of value.” Which is amusing, considering barely six months ago he had no problem praising and citing Wikileaks when they were more focused on Democrats and Clinton.

Edited, Apr 14th 2017 9:38am by lolgaxe
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