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#152 Sep 03 2015 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's like saying that adults are less interested in doing fun things with their children than their children are when the reason is because the adult balances "do fun things with the kids" with "earn money to put a roof over the house, food on our table, etc, etc, etc". Not being as focused on "doing fun things" isn't a bad trait in this case. And it's not in the cases you're talking about either.

Hoooooo boy. Man, if Haidt read your conclusions I don't know if the poor guy would laugh or cry.

He does have a great bit about rationalizations in his book though. Too bad you're never going to read anything that threatens your narrow world view.

(I love the idea that concepts like preventing harm to people equate to 'children wanting fun things' in conservative thought)

Edited, Sep 3rd 2015 2:26pm by Jophiel
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#153 Sep 03 2015 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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Good thing that's not what I said then.
So when you said you didn't read or listen to Haidt, you were lying? Or did you absorb through osmosis? Have you read or listen to The Righteous Mind yet?
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You know, like most science does.
The exact same science that concluded that conservatives are so against change that they'd lie, cheat, and manipulate data just to avoid it you mean?
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You presumably knew that objects fall to the ground long before you'd ever heard of Newton, right? So, when you first heard about him and his theory, did you reject it because it's someone else's interpretation of something and therefore should not be good enough to represent your own beliefs about "things falling to the ground"? Or did you instead go "Hey. That's a good explanation of what I've observed".
Oh, we're doing this again? A rambling hypothetical that is only vaguely related to the topic but ultimately proves to be irrelevant when it's crushed under the weight of even the slightest bit of scrutiny? Okay, let's examine it: Same scenario, we both observed something fall, but I read Newton directly while you read someone else who wrote something about a narrow portion of Newton's theories and are now assuming, nay, insisting that narrow sliver of a data point represents the entire theory, and have come to the conclusion that while gravity exists, it isn't constant because all the apples didn't fall at the exact same time.
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Cause one of those is a logical and sensible reaction and the other is bat-shit crazy.
So we both agree you're bat-shit crazy. That's progress.

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He does have a great bit about rationalizations in his book though.
But the book is 530 pages, and the audiobook is seven and a half hours long! Ain't nobody got time for that! Can't you just pick one sentence and base your entire life view on it instead?

Edited, Sep 3rd 2015 9:34am by lolgaxe
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#154 Sep 03 2015 at 8:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hey, five hundred thirty pages sounds like a lot but the last two hundred pages is friggin' footnotes Smiley: laugh
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#155 Sep 03 2015 at 6:28 PM Rating: Decent
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He does have a great bit about rationalizations in his book though. Too bad you're never going to read anything that threatens your narrow world view.


Like rationalizing away the critique of liberal moral weighting in his book by obsessing over the "positive" traits that result (which ironically is measured by the very thing he was pointing out is a problem for liberals). It's ironic that your defense of the liberal mindset because "conservatives put less weight on caring, so we liberals are better" is itself an example of the very thing he was writing about. As I mentioned above, liberals put more weight on it, because they are not putting as much weight on other things. But that's not a good thing. And given that Haidt's point for doing the research (and subsequently writing the book) was to figure out why things that resonate strongly with liberals don't necessarily resonate as strongly with everyone else (specifically how Kerry could have failed to win the 2004 election), it would appear that despite reading the book, you came away with less of an understanding of its contents than I gleaned from just reading a few articles about the book.

Again, are you aware that he wrote the book specifically to try to get liberals to be more aware of this failing and maybe adjust their thinking (or at least how they communicate their thinking)? Doubling down on the very thing he identified as a flaw seems like a poor response.

I'll also point out that presumably all the folks who wrote the articles about the book did read it. And yet, they universally came away with a different understanding of its import than you did. So either they're all wrong about the key point of the book, or you are.

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(I love the idea that concepts like preventing harm to people equate to 'children wanting fun things' in conservative thought)


I love how, despite me correcting you on this numerous times in the past, you still persist in believing that analogies are identities. Um... An analogy has no purpose if the analogs are identical to whatever you're making an analogy of. They only work if they are actually different things, but have the same relationship between them. That's what an analogy is. Dogs don't case cars like cats chase mice because dogs aren't cats! Really?
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#156 Sep 03 2015 at 6:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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So... still haven't read the book. Smiley: laugh
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it would appear that despite reading the book, you came away with less of an understanding of its contents than I gleaned from just reading a few articles about the book.

OH! You're just so smart you don't even NEED to read the book to know what it says. You read a couple paragraphs about a 500 page book so now you know...

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I'll also point out that presumably all the folks who wrote the articles...

So is that an Appeal to authority fallacy or a Bandwagon fallacy? Can't quite decide. I suppose it doesn't matter much so long as you can keep backpedaling and saying "doesn't count!" to everything you don't like on the weight of cherry picking some quotes.

Edited, Sep 3rd 2015 7:42pm by Jophiel
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#157 Sep 03 2015 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
it would appear that despite reading the book, you came away with less of an understanding of its contents than I gleaned from just reading a few articles about the book.
Classic gbaji! Smiley: lolSmiley: laughSmiley: lolSmiley: laughSmiley: lol
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#158 Sep 03 2015 at 7:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gbaji once wrote a paper in English class and his teacher said it was amazing... plot twist: He never read the book!

Hey, it worked in 10th grade, certainly it works as an adult. Now he just needs someone to tell him that his posts are amazing.
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#159 Sep 04 2015 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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As I mentioned above [...] despite me correcting you on this numerous times in the past
Haidt's research showed that conservatives go out of their way to avoid change, where they'll simply accepting mediocrity or even sub-par results rather than even simple reevaluation. I mention this because, as you prove constantly, you'll regularly resort to referencing your previous points, even after they've long been disproved and ineffectual, if not so erroneous to be laughable. So at the very least you can proudly say you're proving Haidt correct, if in an inadvertant manner.
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So is that an Appeal to authority fallacy or a Bandwagon fallacy?
More Appeal to Anonymous Authority, but there's also Suppressed Evidence, Anecdotal Evidence, Division, Misleading Vividness, Red Herring ... you know what, here's the chart. Probably easier to make Bingo cards and make it a bi-monthly game.
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Classic gbaji!
Hey, the best way to understand something is to completely ignore that something and listen to the opinions of people that agree with you.
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#160 Sep 04 2015 at 8:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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it would appear that despite reading the book, you came away with less of an understanding of its contents than I gleaned from just reading a few articles about the book.
That's amazing.
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it would appear that despite reading the book, you came away with less of an understanding of its contents than I gleaned from just reading a few articles about the book.
That's amazing.


I gave you a IRL rate up, since I can't do it here
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#162 Sep 14 2015 at 10:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jade Helm is wrapping up.

Thank you, True Patriot Governor Abbot and the brave militia watchmen for keeping Texas American rather than letting the US government annex it... and make it... American... or.... something.

Anyway, thanks.
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#163 Sep 14 2015 at 1:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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You know they'll be taking credit for saving Texas from the evil American takeover, right?

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#164 Sep 14 2015 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
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Thank blue haired blond eyed white Jesus for Texas keeping us united and protecting us from the gubamental threat that we'd have to face if they managed to secede.
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Jade Helm is wrapping up.

Thank you, True Patriot Governor Abbot and the brave militia watchmen for keeping Texas American rather than letting the US government annex it... and make it... American... or.... something.

Anyway, thanks.


So you're saying nothing happened? Shocking. Must be terrible for the left leaning media that there were no armed confrontations between angry citizens and/or Texas militia and the military as they appear to have desperately been hoping for. Must suck to spend so much time writing and warning about all these crazy people and their crazy fears, and all the crazy things they might do because of those fears, only to have no one do anything crazy after all. It's almost like the people saying "this is much ado about nothing" were right all along and those fearing the crazy were really the crazy ones, after all.

Next time, just wear a Chicken Little outfit. It'll be faster.
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#166 Sep 14 2015 at 7:31 PM Rating: Good
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So you're saying nothing happened?
Right wing conservative nuts lost their **** and the governor mobilized their State Guard for no reason at all. Unless you're actively trying to diminish the reaction I wouldn't call that nothing.
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Must be terrible for the left leaning media that there were no armed confrontations between angry citizens and/or Texas militia and the military as they appear to have desperately been hoping for.
Heh.

Edited, Sep 14th 2015 9:33pm by lolgaxe
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Next time, just wear a Chicken Little outfit. It'll be faster.

It's the irony that makes it so hilarious.
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#168 Sep 15 2015 at 5:23 AM Rating: Good
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So you're saying nothing happened?
Right wing conservative nuts lost their **** and the governor mobilized their State Guard for no reason at all. Unless you're actively trying to diminish the reaction I wouldn't call that nothing.
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Must be terrible for the left leaning media that there were no armed confrontations between angry citizens and/or Texas militia and the military as they appear to have desperately been hoping for.
Heh.
This has been discussed in another thread. gbaji assured us that guys stockpiling guns, ammo and explosives and threatening to kill US soldiers was, y'know, much ado about nothing. Just real Americans funnin' around.


EDIT: ...and on NO WAY "conservatives" or "right wing". Had to point that out, too.


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#169 Sep 15 2015 at 7:42 AM Rating: Good
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So you're saying nothing happened?
Right wing conservative nuts lost their **** and the governor mobilized their State Guard for no reason at all. Unless you're actively trying to diminish the reaction I wouldn't call that nothing.
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Must be terrible for the left leaning media that there were no armed confrontations between angry citizens and/or Texas militia and the military as they appear to have desperately been hoping for.
Heh.


That was the same story that started this thread. So we're still left with 3 nutters who decided to do something stupid and paranoid. Just as we had when we started this discussion. Remember that my argument was that this had nothing to do with conservative talk radio or Fox news, or any other mainstream conservative media, and the only mainstream discussion of this was coming from the Left, not the Right. Um... Which was true then, was true through the entire time period, and is apparently still true now.
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#171 Sep 17 2015 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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there were no armed confrontations [...] That was the same story
Heh.
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there were no armed confrontations [...] That was the same story
Heh.


gbaji, in his first post in this thread wrote:
There have always been nutters, on all sides. I'm just finding it interesting that the only mainstream folks talking about this are all liberals trying really really hard to gin this up into something significant. Um... Who exactly are we talking about here? Why not just parrot crazy stuff someone said on Coast to Coast and run with that too? Lizard people! Greys! Bigfoots (feet?)! OMG!!!!

Lots of nothing going on here.


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#173 Sep 23 2015 at 8:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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My goalposts have been in the same spot all along.
The Oort Cloud?
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#174 Sep 24 2015 at 7:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
My goalposts have been in the same spot all along.
The Oort Cloud?
Theoretical, spherical, amorphous, shifting and outside the realm of our universe? Good answer.
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Hysteria over Jade Helm exercise in Texas was fueled by Russians, former CIA director says:

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/05/03/hysteria-over-jade-helm-exercise-texas-was-fueled-russians-former-cia-/

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