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I bet they'd both look darling in a cocktail dress.

Which was kinda where I was going as well. As parents, you're constantly imposing norms. It's part of your job. Children soak up information around them and learn from that information. Parents are going to be the primary source they learn from. Everything from styles of dress, behavior, language, to habits, interactions, food preferences, and a host of other stuff will be absorbed by the child. Cherry picking one type of norm that parents teach their children and declaring it hateful to impose that one thing is just absurd.

It's absurd to compare one social norm that is actually based on bigotry to one that is not. I'm pretty sure I already pointed this out to you the last time you tried to make this equivalence. Just calling it wrong because it's about teaching a social norm is not a valid argument. You need to show how the norm being taught is harmful and should be changed. We can do that in the case of racial stereotypes. Can you do that in the case of a parent attempting to reinforce a gender norm on a child based on the child's biological se.x?

No one has. They leap directly from "imposition of social norm" to "bigotry!!!!", and kinda skip the important steps in between. If your argument is that merely imposing a social norm is wrong, then it's wrong in all cases and your argument must be able to defend that claim. If you want to argue that imposing language and customs on your child is ok, but gender roles is not, then you actually have to make a valid argument to that effect. Get it?

Natural selection.

Natural Selection

That was easy.

What kind of dress, and which version of football?

Lolgaxe hates people that commit or seriously consider suicide, guys, keep up. It's right here in his file.

You know if you can skip over the hosiery, dresses are pretty comfy and oftentimes practical.

You guys should try them. If you went commando under your dress, you'd not even have to lift it up to pee.

The argument is whether or not it's wrong to impose social norms in general, not a specific norm. So, you can be in favor of the concept of imposing social norms and against imposing a particular norm.

Unnecessary analogy: It would be similar to saying it's ok for my child to play sports, but not football. That's not hypocritical. However, it is hypocritical to argue against your child playing football because it's a sport, but have no problem with baseball.

Also, according to followers on the Fox News Facebook page, that social norm of black people hasn't changed.

Edited, Jan 9th 2015 11:00pm by Almalieque

Not when you understand that the set of "trans people" is a very small subset of the set of "children who think it's fun to act like the opposite gender relative to their se.x". Attempting to impose the social norm where se.x and gender are aligned at a young age (any age prior to teens say) is minimally harmful to the 1 in 1000 child who will never adopt those norms (a true trans), while simultaneously being very helpful to the 999 other kids who will accept those norms without problem and live happy lives as a result.

The problem you are ignoring here is that we can't know which kids will never accept those norms and thus are going to be trans, and which kids will. In fact, the only way to know which ones are trans is to continue to reinforce the social gender norms and see which ones don't accept them once they get into their teen years. That approach is the one that causes the least harm. Yeah, it sucks for the rare kid who will never be comfortable with a gender role that matches their biology, but it's monumentally stupid to do anything else as a society, no matter how sad we do feel for that small group.

Babies and bathwater, right?

Edited, Jan 13th 2015 3:46pm by gbaji

Try living with a kid day in and day out. You can identify the nuances of their personality and identity issues they're facing pretty quickly. While I think 5 is too early to identify a kid thoroughly, you can be pretty sure by 7/8. Certainly, well before teen years.

Did your wife drink a lot of alcohol while breastfeeding?

You must see the hypocrisy in this........ If it's "ok" to be different, then there is no need to even mention that most girls marry boys. That just adds an additional layer of confusion and rejection from the start. Furthermore, you would be calling her a girl when she insist that she was a puppy. According to your logic, you must accept what she has chosen.