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#102 Sep 17 2014 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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And the ratio of administrators to students is pretty much pure bloat and probably a much better direction to go if we're looking at figuring out how to more efficiently use our education dollars. Of course, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, they're all members of the union too. But I'm sure that's totally unrelated.

Actually, they frequently aren't. Varies wildly based on the union. Around here, the "administrators" are mostly IT folks, and they are *definitely* just extra bloat. Should outsource that **** to Bangalore. Now the janitors, they do something that actually requires a skill set.

Nexa is a member of our state teacher's union, incidentally. I believe since I know her that makes me an education policy expert.

Who said we even need janitors? Just make the kids on the school lunch programs or other aid do the classroom cleaning. Wasn't that one of the proposals some politician had?
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#103 Sep 18 2014 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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#104 Sep 18 2014 at 11:08 AM Rating: Decent
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"We hire people who only coach rather than also teach other subjects (or they teach just one subject, or just PE in addition to coaching)." Gbajji

At least here in California, this is not true. Non- teaching coaches are not counted as teachers, and receive a stipend. In San Diego only 26% of coaches who actually teach teach PE, and that is true on my campus as only 2 do so.

Your point about Administrator's, however, is true on my Campus. We have 7 administrators at a HS of 2900 students, and I know at least 2 of them do absolutely nothing except roam the campus. ( Not scientific or statistic based, just my observation )


My sister in law's husband is the principal for a high school - and the track coach. My 9th grade biology teacher was the baseball coach.

Pretty sure everyone who is a coach in the schools around here is also a teacher.



Interesting. In the 2 states I have coached in, over 50% of the coaches were "walk-ons" ( 56% NM, 52% CA) ( Not that that really has anything to do with this thread, but whatever )
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#105 Sep 19 2014 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
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Pretty sure everyone who is a coach in the schools around here is also a teacher.



Interesting. In the 2 states I have coached in, over 50% of the coaches were "walk-ons" ( 56% NM, 52% CA) ( Not that that really has anything to do with this thread, but whatever )

If I recall from my kids HS days, the coaching staff was pretty much an equal mix of teachers and non-teachers.
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#106 Sep 19 2014 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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yenwangweh wrote:
At least here in California, this is not true. Non- teaching coaches are not counted as teachers, and receive a stipend. In San Diego only 26% of coaches who actually teach teach PE, and that is true on my campus as only 2 do so.


Sure. And what was that percentage at points in the past?

At the end of the day, we have two facts:

1. Average class sizes are larger today than they were 60 years ago.

2. The ratio of teachers to students is higher than it was 60 years ago

There's a whole number of possible explanation for this, but given those facts I'd say that "we need to hire more teachers" is not necessarily the correct solution to condition 1. Right?

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Your point about Administrator's, however, is true on my Campus. We have 7 administrators at a HS of 2900 students, and I know at least 2 of them do absolutely nothing except roam the campus. ( Not scientific or statistic based, just my observation )


This is the bigger issue than the teacher/student ratio IMO. Does our school system today really require that there be 7 times more administrators relative to students compared to 60 years ago? Are things really that much more complex? I don't think so, but maybe others do. Of course, I'm an evil conservative, so IMO we're looking at the inevitable bloat that comes with big government, but you're free to have your own opinion. Smiley: nod
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#107 Sep 20 2014 at 12:00 AM Rating: Good
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Your point about Administrator's, however, is true on my Campus. We have 7 administrators at a HS of 2900 students, and I know at least 2 of them do absolutely nothing except roam the campus. ( Not scientific or statistic based, just my observation )


Does our school system today really require that there be 7 times more administrators relative to students compared to 60 years ago?


Wait, where did you get 7 Times MORE relative to 60 years ago?? Did I miss it?
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#108 Sep 20 2014 at 5:39 AM Rating: Default
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Lot more AP classes though. Which is pretty much just devaluing GPAs, but what can you do, right?


How is this true?
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#109 Sep 20 2014 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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Your point about Administrator's, however, is true on my Campus. We have 7 administrators at a HS of 2900 students, and I know at least 2 of them do absolutely nothing except roam the campus. ( Not scientific or statistic based, just my observation )


Does our school system today really require that there be 7 times more administrators relative to students compared to 60 years ago?


Wait, where did you get 7 Times MORE relative to 60 years ago?? Did I miss it?
He got it from the greatest known source of information in the universe: his imagination.
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#111 Sep 20 2014 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Presumably from the same Heritage Foundation blog entry that gave him the "There's twice as many teachers and I don't know how they qualify that but I sure as hell blame the unions!" statistic.
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