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#1 Aug 13 2014 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I have to say this, it disturbs me that so many people are talking about how horrible they feel about what happened to Robin Williams while totally ignoring the atrocities that ISIS is committing in the Middle East. I certainly grieve with others over the loss of Mr. Williams, but this is just a perfect indicator of how upside down society is when we place a higher value on one man that we do entire cities or countries.
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ISIS, the Middle East, Israel, Palestine, Gaza, Ebol-Africa, etc... those are not part of our Society. And have little to no affect on my every day life.

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I'm more upset over an unarmed 18-year-old getting shot by the police in Mississippi.
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In/out group loyalty is a factor in this. There is also the the sentiment that Robin Williams has done something for them personally, as many people have watched his films or comedy, whereas the nameless killed in some far off corner of the world haven't personally touched their life, therefore are more or less irrelevant to them. How much do you weep for the random victims of smoking or natural disasters or automobile accidents?
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I have to say this, it disturbs me that so many people are talking about how horrible they feel about what happened to Robin Williams while totally ignoring the atrocities that ISIS is committing in the Middle East.

People know who Robin Williams is, versus nameless random Middle Eastern people.

Obviously what Williams should have done was gone all Commando on ISIS and gotten killed and thus raised awareness of ISIS related stuff. Then everyone's a winner.
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I'm more upset over an unarmed 18-year-old getting shot by the police in Mississippi.

I think that was Missouri. Suburb of St. Louis and all.

Today I personally was sick enough of hearing about Robin Williams (though I was of course devastated) that I was more interested in hearing about ISIS latest moves as well as the ongoing "cease-fire" between Israel and Palestine.
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Glitterngld wrote:
I have to say this, it disturbs me that so many people are talking about how horrible they feel about what happened to Robin Williams while totally ignoring the atrocities that ISIS is committing in the Middle East. I certainly grieve with others over the loss of Mr. Williams, but this is just a perfect indicator of how upside down society is when we place a higher value on one man that we do entire cities or countries.

Even if we were talking about ISIS, if we put as much actual effort into it as we do with Robin Williams' death, it's not like it would affect anything. I'm not going to be writing a letter to my congressman about either, nor will I be sending humanitarian aid or troops, so what does it really matter?
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How can you be upset by all of the petty things listed above when Cartoon Network is airing a new show about Jesus being black. I, for one, am outraged.
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I was more interested in hearing about ISIS latest moves as well as the ongoing "cease-fire" between Israel and Palestine.
They'll probably just put a little too much emphasis on the fire part of cease fire.
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....a perfect indicator of how upside down society is when we place a higher value on one man that we do entire cities or countries.
"Expressing loss" is not in anyway the same thing as "placing value".





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I think complexity plays a part. What we call "ISIS" is actually a loose and fractious coalition of groups, and the overall agenda is unclear. Much of this is because the media, with few exceptions, fails to do in-depth analysis of what's happening, preferring rapid cycling news bites.

Suicide and depression, on the other hand, have touched many of us personally. We don't understand them perfectly but we have enough context to have a meaningful discussion.

Well, most of us can.
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ISIS's goal is pretty clear. The sub-factions may have competing designs on the structure and ideology of the new society built, but their overarching goal is clear: To establish a new state in the ashes of the corrupt West backed regimes.

Much like OWS, it's leadership isn't stable, so it is labeled as 'directionless'. But that is part of the modern propagandist strategy to discredit threats to western power. Do note that I'm not taking their side, I abhor religious fundamentalism in all it's earthly guises.
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I have to say this, it disturbs me that so many people are talking about how horrible they feel about what happened to Robin Williams while totally ignoring the atrocities that ISIS is committing in the Middle East.

Which "atrocities" are you talking about? The 'atrocity' of overthrowing in-arguably corrupt rule that came at the cost of hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths? The 'atrocity' of doing so with near overwhelming popular support? The 'atrocity' of threatening energy resources? That last one is without question the 'atrocity' the US is responding to.

Take your third grade current events self righteousness and go fuck yourself. Nothing DAASH (ISIS is such an idiotic label that makes no sense even as an acronym) has done remotely approaches the 'atrocities' the US carries out daily going about the normal business of enforcing our will on the rest of an unwilling world through force.

Life isn't a made for TV movie. This idea that the US only uses force to "defend" some arbitrary set of ideals is childish and repugnant. Stop being such a fucking sucker and perpetuating it.
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I'm more upset over an unarmed 18-year-old getting shot by the police in Mississippi.

I think that was Missouri. Suburb of St. Louis and all.

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I'm more upset over an unarmed 18-year-old getting shot by the police in Mississippi.

I think that was Missouri. Suburb of St. Louis and all.

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Thanks for the correct! I blame it being late in the evening, and I blame the original settlers for picking too many state names that start with M. Also my 7th grade geography teacher, Mr Gorton.
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Legitimate concern. There's a 90% chance the teenager was a part of a terrorist sleeper cell, after all.
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I have to say this, it disturbs me that so many people are talking about how horrible they feel about what happened to Robin Williams while totally ignoring the atrocities that ISIS is committing in the Middle East. I certainly grieve with others over the loss of Mr. Williams, but this is just a perfect indicator of how upside down society is when we place a higher value on one man that we do entire cities or countries.
People care more about people who look like them. It's a universal survival strategy. Studies have shown even the people you are friends with are more closely related to you than would be expected at random from a population.

Besides we just had a thread about this the other day, so I guess the big question is: if you cared so much why weren't you participating in it?

For shame.

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Take your third grade current events self righteousness and go fuck yourself. Nothing DAASH (ISIS is such an idiotic label that makes no sense even as an acronym) has done remotely approaches the 'atrocities' the US carries out daily going about the normal business of enforcing our will on the rest of an unwilling world through force.

Isn't DAASH and ISIS/ISIL just the same thing in different languages, hence different letters?
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How many of us know someone who suffers from mental illness or committed suicide, compare to members of minority groups fleeing from ISIS?.

While I'm following the news coming from Iraq, it didn't affect me as much as learning someone who's comedy touch my life, committing suicide. I've lost friends who could no longer face each day under depression's dark cloud and been almost there myself before I got help. I can help those around me who suffer from depression, I don't have the power or resources to help those fleeing ISIS.
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Take your third grade current events self righteousness and go fuck yourself. Nothing DAASH (ISIS is such an idiotic label that makes no sense even as an acronym) has done remotely approaches the 'atrocities' the US carries out daily going about the normal business of enforcing our will on the rest of an unwilling world through force.

Isn't DAASH and ISIS/ISIL just the same thing in different languages, hence different letters?

I like ISIS because of Archer.
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Isn't DAASH and ISIS/ISIL just the same thing in different languages, hence different letters?

Yes, I just find "ISIS" annoying because it requires shoehorning a word that doesn't really translate into that last "S". The Levant isn't "Syria". DAASH is catchier than ISIL.
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Life isn't a made for TV movie. This idea that the US only uses force to "defend" some arbitrary set of ideals is childish and repugnant. Stop being such a fucking sucker and perpetuating it.


Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it.
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Ok, so basically **** isis response. I am fine with that.

What about that fun we had in Fergusson? It is kinda on now that the police arrested a white journalist.

Maybe, as a society, we could talk about demilitarization of the police force? I mean, anonymous can't fight all the fights for us.

Edited, Aug 14th 2014 6:41pm by angrymnk
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Maybe, as a society, we could talk about demilitarization of the police force?

Nah, that ratchet only goes one way. Who benefits from a less aggressive police force who has any agency in the US?
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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it.

Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"

Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.
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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it.

Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"

Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.


Tsk.. I occasionally wonder if you say stuff just to be shocking.
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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it.

Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"

Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.


Russia mostly concentrates on it's own people.
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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it. Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"
Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.
Tsk.. I occasionally wonder if you say stuff just to be shocking.
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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it. Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"
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Really; the rest of the time what he says actually makes sense.
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Ok, so basically **** isis response. I am fine with that.

What about that fun we had in Fergusson? It is kinda on now that the police arrested a white journalist.

Maybe, as a society, we could talk about demilitarization of the police force? I mean, anonymous can't fight all the fights for us.

Edited, Aug 14th 2014 6:41pm by angrymnk

The white law-abiding citizens like (demand?) their military-police protecting them from the scary black dudes.

Presumably though, in Ferguson they did finally do just that. Tensions Ease in Ferguson as Police Change Tactics.

Edit: I miss Barney Fife. Smiley: frown

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angrymnk wrote:
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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it. Nope. Nothing to do with perfection. By any objective measure the most harmful force to innocent people living on to natural death is unarguably the US military. We kill truckloads of innocent people, pretty much all the time. This silly lie that it's somehow ok because 'we try REALLY hard not to have to' is akin to a child abuser asking the kid he's about to kick "why do you make me do this"
Russia is like Ghandi when compared to the US in terms of the abuse of military power.
Tsk.. I occasionally wonder if you say stuff just to be shocking.
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Really; the rest of the time what he says actually makes sense.
If nothing else I figure most of the time it's more fun to take him seriously, even if he wasn't being serious at all.

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Ah... The "perfection or bust" fallacy. Got it.

Nope. Nothing to do with perfection.


And yet...

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You've set an impossible standard.

I haven't set anything, I've merely pointed out that it's childish and idiotic to play pretend that the US doesn't commit mass murder if it thinks that may lead to a better outcome for the US. We do. Pretty much every day. Which I'm fine with, incidentally. That's how humans work as a species, we commit mass murder of innocents to effect control over populations. The problem comes in pretending we're fighting Red Skull and Hydra to guard the precious liberty of men in the name of God and Abragoerge Pattolinkwashington. There's no reason for it. It's as stupid and implausible as Dear Leader scoring an 18 on his first try at a round of golf.
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You directly argued that we should not complain about what ISIS (or whatever we want to call it) is doing because the US can't claim to have never once in its history used force for anything other than idealistic reasons. That's a "perfection or bust" argument (if you're not perfect you can't complain about anything anyone else is doing). Which is a ridiculous counter to make.

You'd be better off sticking to the whole "US military kills more people" angle, but then that's still ignoring that how/why people die actually does matter to most people. You may choose to just count bodies if you want, but the rest of us do make a distinction between someone killed in a firefight and someone being beheaded as a threat to the next group of potential opponents. I think it's a mistake to fail to recognize that, as a society, we wring our hands over something like piling up naked prisoners into a pyramid and call that a horrible violation of their rights, and that this kinda automatically makes us "better" than a society which actively raises its children to hate and kill enemies based on the most minor of differences. We bash ourselves over failing to reach a level of tolerance that is a silly number of steps farther along than most of the rest of the world can manage.

You do get that in the region in question, people are literally killing each other (in brutal ways) over what is essentially the difference between being a Baptist and a Methodist (not even sure if they're that far apart actually)? I think that while there's nothing wrong with holding ourselves to the highest standards possible, we also have to keep in mind how others we interact with internationally stack up against those same standards.

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You know, if you would just get to the ******* point, people might be more inclined to listen to you...But you use so many goddamned words.

Also, you are always so ******* wrong!
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You directly argued that we should not complain about what ISIS (or whatever we want to call it) is doing

Nope. Learn to fucking read.
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I think that while there's nothing wrong with holding ourselves to the highest standards possible,
As long as those standards are set by only white male heterosexual Christian Republicans, that is.
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I think standards should be frequently calibrated and re-standardized as necessary.
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That's why it's telling that the USA still uses Imperial measurements.
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I think standards should be frequently calibrated and re-standardized as necessary.

Nah, the world hasn't really changed *that* much in the past 2,000 years, right?
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Do you guys know how long it takes to get people to agree on standards ?

Look up the standards battle for the pitch of ***** threads. It's so basic a technology and so necessary to have standards, that it's mindblowing that it took so long.
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The pitch of what, now?
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