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#1 Jul 10 2014 at 6:46 AM Rating: Good
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt) is tossing around the idea of running for pres in 2016. He's a self-described Democratic Socialist.

Despite his bid for pres being a very long, long shot, what about this democratic socialism stuff?

This is Wiki's attempt at defining it....
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Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system. This may refer to extending principles of democracy in the economy (such as through cooperatives or workplace democracy), or may simply refer to trends of socialism that emphasise democratic principles as inalienable from their political project.

There is no exact definition of democratic socialism. Some forms of democratic socialism overlap with social democracy, while other forms reject social democratic reformism in favor of more revolutionary methods, and overlap with Revolutionary Socialism.


A bit more ambiguous clarification...
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Sanders is the only member of Congress who calls himself a Socialist. And if you're wondering how a Democratic Socialist differs from a Democrat, he'll point to the time he took to the Senate floor for eight and a half hours in 2010, railing against President Obama for supporting Bush-era tax cuts.


Bernie Sanders explanation, "It is essentially — bottom line — making government work for all of the people,"

This is a pretty wimpy definition, but for Sanders it seems to be about economic equality and representation of his constituency.

What do you think about Democratic Socialism?

Is it a counter to Tea-Partyism?

...and Sanders, can he make a respectable bid for president?

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I always assumed Democratic Socialism to be akin to the system in Scandinavian countries. Socialism based around free elections and a democratic form of government.

Sanders has the same chance at becoming president as my cat does.
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#3 Jul 10 2014 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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Sanders has the same chance at becoming president as my cat does.

Does your cat do youtube videos?

I'd vote for it.
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Sanders has the same chance at becoming president as my cat does.
Your cat has a better chance than Ron Paul, too.
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Mittens/Clinton 2016!

Following the Air Bud rule, there's nothing in the Constitution that says that the president can't be a cat...
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Mittens/Clinton 2016!

Following the Air Bud rule, there's nothing in the Constitution that says that the president can't be a cat...

It has to be 35.
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I'll just say she is. Who's going to prove me wrong? Donald Trump? Why do you think I argued so hard about the Obama birth certificate thing?
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#9 Jul 10 2014 at 9:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Despite his bid for pres being a very long, long shot, what about this democratic socialism stuff?
It's laden with devil worship.

Elinda wrote:
What do you think about Democratic Socialism?
Workplace democracy sounds like it'd make work a lot more like a political game, which I would find extremely annoying. I'd rather have some overpaid millionaire run the company than have to endure my co-workers voting on whether or not to re-assignment me to the accounting dept. The greater redistribution of wealth part would be about as popular as it is now.

Regardless, anything with the word "socialism" in it won't have enough support, ignoring the particulars. It's like saying you're an atheist. A complete no-go in this country.

Elinda wrote:
Is it a counter to Tea-Partyism?
The only real counter to Tea-Partyism is a strong moderate voice, a strong far-left voice will only worsen the divide.

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...and Sanders, can he make a respectable bid for president?
I bet he can steal some disenchanted liberal votes away from the Green Party.
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disenchanted liberal
Is that an oxymoron?
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Sanders has the same chance at becoming president as my cat does.
CAT FOR PRESIDENT!
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Is that an oxymoron?
I'd assume they've just run out of pixie dust.
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#13 Jul 10 2014 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good
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How is it different from Green Party? Last election, that's what the political position quiz told me I should vote for.
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What do you think about Democratic Socialism?


Can you explain it to me in one sentence? If not I think it's total BS.


proteinguy wrote:
Workplace democracy sounds like it'd make work a lot more like a political game, which I would find extremely annoying. I'd rather have some overpaid millionaire run the company than have to endure my co-workers voting on whether or not to re-assignment me to the accounting dept.


Wouldn't this be like what we see today in special interest groups that eventually only exist to justify their own existences? It seems like at a particular level of the division of responsibilities that you would only serve to either further fracture and divide the whole or else on the other end of the spectrum you have a top-layer group that is so far removed from caring about the rest of humanity that it can only lead to the destruction of the free-world..
It's a nice predicament.

Edited, Jul 10th 2014 10:53pm by Kelvyquayo
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someproteinguy wrote:
Elinda wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
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Is that an oxymoron?
I'd assume they've just run out of pixie dust.

Only supposed to use it in an emergency!
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How is it different from Green Party? Last election, that's what the political position quiz told me I should vote for.


The Greens put the environment in front of corporations. Democratic Socialists put average citizens in front of corporations.

Neither one of them likes the oligarchy system we have very much, but those two broad perceptions tend to color their specific tacks on policies. Say there is a proposal to dam a river to supply water to a business. The Dems and the DS party are more likely to protest it based on people's houses being eminent domain'd, whereas the Greens will be more likely to include protests based on habitat loss for endangered species (as well as the loss of houses.)

The Republicans will call them all anti-business hippies.

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#17 Jul 11 2014 at 7:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
Can you explain it to me in one sentence?
Most political scientists can't even agree on a definitive description so I'd be wary of any arm chair politico taking a swing at it.
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
Can you explain it to me in one sentence?
Most political scientists can't even agree on a definitive description so I'd be wary of any arm chair politico taking a swing at it.


Hey! My ears were ringing. Democratic Socialists are nutty people who have chosen to include the word "socialist" in their own label, thus proving that they are un-american and probably hate pie.

So how was that?
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#19 Jul 11 2014 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
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I don't care who works in your building, you're no political scientist!
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I don't care who works in your building, you're no political scientist!


I'm pretty sure most of us qualify as "arm chair politicos" though. Smiley: nod
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Can you explain it to me in one sentence? If not I think it's total BS.


Explain Christianity in one sentence.
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Catwho wrote:
trickybeck wrote:
How is it different from Green Party? Last election, that's what the political position quiz told me I should vote for.


The Greens put the environment in front of corporations. Democratic Socialists put average citizens in front of corporations.
Ah, well Green was pretty much left of Democrats on every issue despite that distinction, so either way is fine with me.
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Can you explain it to me in one sentence? If not I think it's total BS.


Explain Christianity in one sentence.


Christianity is BS?
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Kelvyquayo wrote:
Can you explain it to me in one sentence? If not I think it's total BS.


based on that criteria, almost everything is BS
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I've come to the conclusion it doesn't matter if its a Republican or a Democrat in office they are just different shades of the same bullsh*t. They will all do about the same things with different reasons, they will lie and back out on promises. They will redirect your attention while they hide their skeletons.

It's honestly becoming a joke, I mean whats congresses approval? 13% I mean it is retarded, and we keep voting the same idiots back in. All because we allow big business and lobbyists to bribe donate to politicians.

And the big corporations, pulling the strings behind the scenes? They are considering moving out of country to avoid taxes, while trying to keep their grubby claws deep in Washington's pockets.

In the end it doesn't matter who runs for prez, a "Democratic Socialist" or any other side they are just different coats of paint on the same sh*t.

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Hey! My ears were ringing


Were they burning, as well?
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Were they burning, as well?

I guess we all know how this is going to end up. Smiley: facepalm
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Were they burning, as well?

I guess we all know how this is going to end up outSmiley: facepalm


Smiley: lol
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It's honestly becoming a joke

Becoming? What was it before? "The good old days"? When was that, exactly? When Jefferson was writing the Declaration of Independence and took a break to rape his teenage slave? Was that when it wasn't "a joke"? When a bunch of rich land owners decided they didn't want to pay as much in taxes so they sent poor people to die in the Revolutionary War? Was that when it wasn't "a joke"? When people *many of whom are still with us* were rounded up and forced at gunpoint to live in miserable camps because they were Japanese? Was then it wasn't "a joke"?

I have no fucking idea what the word "becoming" in your post means. None. Can you explain it?
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I'd say "becoming" is just a simplified way of saying they aren't even bothering to hide it anymore. Pulling the same crap they always have, except now its out in the open and they don't care because they're still going to get re-elected.
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Yeah, they don't bother to be subtle now, like they used to be...

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Caning_of_Senator_Charles_Sumner.htm
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I read Lincoln: Team of Rivals not too long back. It was a long boring book (and I can't help but picture Mary Lincoln as Sally Fields), but the one thing I found sort of interesting was how very little politics have changed - except of course in it's technological advances. At least this Author (Doris Kearns Goodwin) portrayed the politics just as full of back room deals, underhanded planning, back-stabbing (proverbial) etc. The one difference, I noted, was the newspapers back then seemed like they were much more open platforms for a particular candidate or party. In fact the newspaper big wigs seemed to have much sway in how the elections went down.

I'm currently reading The Normans. Politics are much more straight forward in the first milllenium. You fight off your rivals, or if you want a longer term relationship, you pay them off.
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At least this Author (Doris Kearns Goodwin

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So a loser on two counts, then.
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It's honestly becoming a joke

Becoming? What was it before? "The good old days"? When was that, exactly? When Jefferson was writing the Declaration of Independence and took a break to rape his teenage slave? Was that when it wasn't "a joke"? When a bunch of rich land owners decided they didn't want to pay as much in taxes so they sent poor people to die in the Revolutionary War? Was that when it wasn't "a joke"? When people *many of whom are still with us* were rounded up and forced at gunpoint to live in miserable camps because they were Japanese? Was then it wasn't "a joke"?

I have no fucking idea what the word "becoming" in your post means. None. Can you explain it?
Remember back when we all had to pretend to like each other because the Germans or the Russians or someone wanted to kill us all?

Those were the days...
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Remember back when we all had to pretend to like each other because the Germans or the Russians or someone wanted to kill us all?
Last Friday?
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Remember back when we all had to pretend to like each other because the Germans or the Russians or someone wanted to kill us all?
Last Friday?
It's been a little longer than that for the rest of us.
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someproteinguy wrote:
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Remember back when we all had to pretend to like each other because the Germans or the Russians or someone wanted to kill us all?
Last Friday?
It's been a little longer than that for the rest of us.

I hate you all and wish you were bagels
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