Mazra wrote:
No idea how much sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek is happening in this thread, but this is mildly disturbing.
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It's mostly Americans and when it comes to guns Europe and the USA are so wildly different that this thread is a little bewildering.
I'm pretty sure that if I had a daughter, and she said "this man snuck into my bedroom and I don't know who it is" the fact that the death occured via a gun would simply be a matter of conveniance of access to a gun at that point. Gun or no gun, that guy was still dead. It's unfortunate that his daughter was in fact about the biggest idiot on the planet apperently in not seeing that chain of events coming, but trying to make it into a gun control issue is really missing the core of the situation.
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Yeah, I know it was a stupid thing to do but I really feel for that girl. One panicky lie in the face of her father's wrath, and now she's the cause of the death of another person.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if I had a daughter, and she said "this man snuck into my bedroom and I don't know who it is" the fact that the death occured via a gun would simply be a matter of conveniance of access to a gun at that point. Gun or no gun, that guy was still dead. It's unfortunate that his daughter was in fact about the biggest idiot on the planet apperently in not seeing that chain of events coming, but trying to make it into a gun control issue is really missing the core of the situation.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if I had a daughter, and she said "this man snuck into my bedroom and I don't know who it is" the fact that the death occured via a gun would simply be a matter of conveniance of access to a gun at that point. Gun or no gun, that guy was still dead. It's unfortunate that his daughter was in fact about the biggest idiot on the planet apperently in not seeing that chain of events coming, but trying to make it into a gun control issue is really missing the core of the situation.
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I could see her staying silent afraid her dad would turn on her if she told the truth while he was so angry. I mean, if he busted into my room pointing a gun/knife/etc at us and asking if I knew the guy, I'd might well panic and do the same thing.
Sorry, but rather he died/got beat/stabbed/etc than me.
Sorry, but rather he died/got beat/stabbed/etc than me.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
If she didn't say anything when he headed in there with a gun, why would she say anything during the 3 seconds more it takes for the bat headshot or the heart stab.
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someproteinguy wrote:
I could see her staying silent afraid her dad would turn on her if she told the truth while he was so angry. I mean, if he busted into my room pointing a gun/knife/etc at us and asking if I knew the guy, I'd might well panic and do the same thing.
Sorry, but rather he died/got beat/stabbed/etc than me.
Sorry, but rather he died/got beat/stabbed/etc than me.
If she feared that her dad would beat/kill her for lying, then the father obviously has emotional problems, which only supports the fact that he overreacted.
Having a teenage daughter pretty much guarantees emotional problems.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if I had a daughter, and she said "this man snuck into my bedroom and I don't know who it is" the fact that the death occured via a gun would simply be a matter of conveniance of access to a gun at that point. Gun or no gun, that guy was still dead. It's unfortunate that his daughter was in fact about the biggest idiot on the planet apperently in not seeing that chain of events coming, but trying to make it into a gun control issue is really missing the core of the situation.
Debalic wrote:
Having a teenage daughter pretty much guarantees emotional problems.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if I had a daughter, and she said "this man snuck into my bedroom and I don't know who it is" the fact that the death occured via a gun would simply be a matter of conveniance of access to a gun at that point. Gun or no gun, that guy was still dead. It's unfortunate that his daughter was in fact about the biggest idiot on the planet apperently in not seeing that chain of events coming, but trying to make it into a gun control issue is really missing the core of the situation.
At the risk of peeking under the skirt of 'gun control' this is precisely why our gun culture is so insidious.
Presumably the dad thought the kid had a gun, so the decision point became one of 'shoot first or be shot'. When everyone has a gun (whether it's a real or imaginary gun), shooting first becomes the optimal solution to every dispute.
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Elinda wrote:
At the risk of peeking under the skirt of 'gun control'...
Now illegal in Massachusetts.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Must be a kilt.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
Must be a kilt.
Concealed weapon permit required.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if I had a daughter, and she said "this man snuck into my bedroom and I don't know who it is" the fact that the death occured via a gun would simply be a matter of conveniance of access to a gun at that point. Gun or no gun, that guy was still dead. It's unfortunate that his daughter was in fact about the biggest idiot on the planet apperently in not seeing that chain of events coming, but trying to make it into a gun control issue is really missing the core of the situation.
.That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I'm pretty sure that if I had a daughter, and she said "this man snuck into my bedroom and I don't know who it is" the fact that the death occured via a gun would simply be a matter of conveniance of access to a gun at that point. Gun or no gun, that guy was still dead. It's unfortunate that his daughter was in fact about the biggest idiot on the planet apperently in not seeing that chain of events coming, but trying to make it into a gun control issue is really missing the core of the situation.
Ok, first problem. You don't get within melee range of someone you suspect to be a rapist, especially if you have a ranged weapon. Inform them that you will shoot if they make sudden moves, and have them slowly extricate themselves from the situation. Then you can question them, while waiting for the police if that ends up being the situation. Any home defense instruction should be telling you to try de-escalate the situation to prevent this sort of thing.
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Timelordwho wrote:
What is with these doubles today?
Edited, Mar 21st 2014 11:44am by Timelordwho
Edited, Mar 21st 2014 11:44am by Timelordwho
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
This I just don't get. I don't expect you to be all polite but to instantly go to kill mode is just baffling to me. Just pulling him off would've worked as well and he might've broken something but that's a lot less bad than being dead. And the fact that anyone would even want a gun in their house for any reason other than sport or hunting seems absurd to me.
Kaolian very specifically said that at the point where he is ready to shoot, his daughter has already stated this man was a stranger who was unlawfully inside the house. That's pretty much exactly how the situation in question played out.
Dad enters the room, asks questions, tells the kid not to move, and the kid does something stupid as all hell like reach for "something". That's a lot different than coming in, guns blazing, shooting anything that moves and asking questions later. Don't distort the facts.
I also take very serious exception with your last comment. I'm all for better gun laws but I have weapons, and they are for protection, because people are ******* insane. If you think that's absurd, I hope you never have to live through an attack, because it obviously hasn't happened to you yet.
Timelordwho wrote:
You don't get within melee range of someone you suspect to be a rapist
Not unless you want a rapin'
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
For every gun owner that has shoot a would be attacker there have been far more killed in their sleep without ever seeing it coming. Then the real kicker is you are far more likely to killed by your own gun by some one you trust to be in your home like your wife or husband. So yeah people are insane and you are probably living with one already that knows where you sleep, how deep you sleep, and where you gun is.
For home defense instruction there is very little training with your avg gun owner and they would not think that far or that calmly and will let the heat of the moment take over and any action could set them off. Police and other armed force get it wrong from time to time and they have years of training in some cases but the girl is the one at real fault and should be punished by the law for crying wolf and getting another person killed.
For home defense instruction there is very little training with your avg gun owner and they would not think that far or that calmly and will let the heat of the moment take over and any action could set them off. Police and other armed force get it wrong from time to time and they have years of training in some cases but the girl is the one at real fault and should be punished by the law for crying wolf and getting another person killed.
someproteinguy wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
What is with these doubles today?
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:
What is with these doubles today?
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
someproteinguy wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
This I just don't get. I don't expect you to be all polite but to instantly go to kill mode is just baffling to me. Just pulling him off would've worked as well and he might've broken something but that's a lot less bad than being dead. And the fact that anyone would even want a gun in their house for any reason other than sport or hunting seems absurd to me.
Torrence wrote:
I also take very serious exception with your last comment. I'm all for better gun laws but I have weapons, and they are for protection, because people are @#%^ing insane. If you think that's absurd, I hope you never have to live through an attack, because it obviously hasn't happened to you yet.
So yes, I think owning a gun to protect yourself with is absurd.
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