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#202 Mar 06 2014 at 5:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Meh, it's all shades of grey.
I knew Crimea was made up fan fiction.
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#203 Mar 06 2014 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Fuck it, can we just get World War 3 started already?
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#204 Mar 06 2014 at 8:14 PM Rating: Default
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I think you underestimate my resilience to and ability to filter bullsh*t. I don't swoon over advertising for anything, I don't affiliate with political parties, and I most assuredly don't believe everything I read. Take it as you will friend. I guess im guilty of joining the "non conformist" crowd. but in general my motto is Don't Give a @#%^. and I really don't its awesome being both for, and against everything.

Edited, Mar 5th 2014 11:53pm by rdmcandie


I apologize. I clearly overestimated you.

It is, naturally, not completely impossible that you, oh spearhead of evolution, have grown immune to advertising, illegitimate child of propaganda. However, it is highly unlikely that such a grand specimen would be inhabiting this forum with those who were left behind by mother nature.

And if you are, I plead with thee, go forth and save this world! Only you, and your unparalleled mind can save humanity.

May I suggest killing all the lawyers first?
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#205 Mar 06 2014 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
Did you get scammed by the as seen on tv store or something?
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#206 Mar 06 2014 at 8:29 PM Rating: Default
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Did you get scammed by the as seen on tv store or something?


Don't deflect my hyper-intelligent overhuman.

Yeah, I had a bad day. Does it show?
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#207 Mar 06 2014 at 8:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Did you get scammed by the as seen on tv store or something?


Don't deflect my hyper-intelligent overhuman.

Yeah, I had a bad day. Does it show?


Nope same incoherent drivel as yesterday couldn't notice a difference.
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#208 Mar 06 2014 at 8:54 PM Rating: Default
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Did you get scammed by the as seen on tv store or something?


Don't deflect my hyper-intelligent overhuman.

Yeah, I had a bad day. Does it show?


Nope same incoherent drivel as yesterday couldn't notice a difference.


Phew, I definitely am glad that my emotional distress did not influence posts.

PS. still deflecting:P

Edited, Mar 6th 2014 9:55pm by angrymnk
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#209 Mar 06 2014 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
angrymnk wrote:
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angrymnk wrote:
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Did you get scammed by the as seen on tv store or something?


Don't deflect my hyper-intelligent overhuman.

Yeah, I had a bad day. Does it show?


Nope same incoherent drivel as yesterday couldn't notice a difference.


Phew, I definitely am glad that my emotional distress did not influence posts.

PS. still deflecting:P


Deflecting what your sarcasm laden post telling me how I don't know how much propaganda and advertising has corrupted my life. Is this where im supposed to say "no you are wrong reread my post to acquire an accurate representation of how I live my life". If I wanted to argue in a circle id go strike up a conversation with Gbaji.
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#210 Mar 06 2014 at 9:11 PM Rating: Default
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Did you get scammed by the as seen on tv store or something?


Don't deflect my hyper-intelligent overhuman.

Yeah, I had a bad day. Does it show?


Nope same incoherent drivel as yesterday couldn't notice a difference.


Phew, I definitely am glad that my emotional distress did not influence posts.

PS. still deflecting:P


Deflecting what your sarcasm laden post telling me how I don't know how much propaganda and advertising has corrupted my life. Is this where im supposed to say "no you are wrong reread my post to acquire an accurate representation of how I live my life". If I wanted to argue in a circle id go strike up a conversation with Gbaji.


I simply hoped I would let you grow a little.

It is not even sarcasm. If you truly believe what you believe, you are either not quite human, incredibly conceited individual or simply a child.




Edited, Mar 6th 2014 10:13pm by angrymnk
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#211 Mar 06 2014 at 9:18 PM Rating: Default
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I simply hoped I would let you grow a little.

It is not even sarcasm. If you truly believe what you believe, you are either not quite human, incredibly conceited individual or simply a child.


You are right it is hyperbolism, But since hyperbole is just an element of sarcasm I guess we call it a draw? vOv GG WP.

Edited, Mar 6th 2014 10:18pm by rdmcandie
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#212 Mar 06 2014 at 9:30 PM Rating: Default
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angrymnk wrote:

I simply hoped I would let you grow a little.

It is not even sarcasm. If you truly believe what you believe, you are either not quite human, incredibly conceited individual or simply a child.


You are right it is hyperbolism, But since hyperbole is just an element of sarcasm I guess we call it a draw? vOv GG WP.

Edited, Mar 6th 2014 10:18pm by rdmcandie


I had to look up vOv.

You win. ****, so close..
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#214 Mar 07 2014 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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March 16 the peoples of Crimea vote to remain Ukrainian or become Russian.

If, by some miracle, an election falls in favor of Ukraine, will Putin honor that?

I think that a vote in favor of the Motherland is inevitable, however, as I don't think Putin would push for a referendum that wasn't all but certain. Thus thousands of armed Russians visiting for the duration.

I like this article in CNN today.




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#215 Mar 07 2014 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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The majority of Crimea's population is ethnic Russian or speaks Russian anyway at this point. It's pretty likely to pass, although it's in violation of Ukraine's constitution as well as international law so who knows what kind of sticking power it will have.
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#216 Mar 07 2014 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
I like this article in CNN today.
Giving up those nukes really does look silly in retrospect. I suppose good luck getting N.K. or someone else to give them away at this point.

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The majority of Crimea's population is ethnic Russian or speaks Russian anyway at this point. It's pretty likely to pass, although it's in violation of Ukraine's constitution as well as international law so who knows what kind of sticking power it will have.
Yeah, it'll be shocking if it fails really. But I bet it sticks just fine as long as you have Russian boots on the ground. Ukraine is going to be hard pressed to even try and take the region back forcefully. Besides, Russia wouldn't mind having an excuse to invade Eastern Ukraine either.
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#217 Mar 07 2014 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
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March 16 the peoples of Crimea vote to remain Ukrainian or become Russian.

If, by some miracle, an election falls in favor of Ukraine, will Putin honor that?

I think that a vote in favor of the Motherland is inevitable, however, as I don't think Putin would push for a referendum that wasn't all but certain. Thus thousands of armed Russians visiting for the duration.

I like this article in CNN today.


I think he would because I don't believe he is the scary warmonger that the US media tries to depict him as. I firmly believe that he is a good leader and truly wants to have democratic process. We get desensitized here about how people view Putin he is loved in Russia, the vast majority of the population love him as a leader, but we never hear about that. We hear about the fringe minority that opposes him, because it fits the narrative the west needs to spin to keep its sphere of influence.

Also nothing changes if Crimea stays in Ukraine Russia still keeps its ports, Russia still keeps its bases, Russia still keeps its pipelines, and Russia still has strong influence on account of the population being mostly ethnic Russian, and thus share closer ties to Russia.

I think the important question is if the people of Crimea decide to leave will the West respect that democratic decision? Or will they call it illegitimate and essentially spit in the face of democracy. Democracy only counts if it falls in line with the wills of America? Essentially this is the people of Crimea's choice now. Whether it was prompted by an illegitimate government or not the power of the vote is in the hands of the people. You can't pick and choose where democracy counts, it either counts everywhere, or it counts nowhere. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite.
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#218 Mar 07 2014 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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The majority of Crimea's population is ethnic Russian or speaks Russian anyway at this point. It's pretty likely to pass, although it's in violation of Ukraine's constitution as well as international law so who knows what kind of sticking power it will have.


It doesn't violate anything. Eat up more *********
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#219 Mar 07 2014 at 3:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also nothing changes if Crimea stays in Ukraine Russia still keeps its ports, Russia still keeps its bases, Russia still keeps its pipelines, and Russia still has strong influence on account of the population being mostly ethnic Russian, and thus share closer ties to Russia.
Realistically it's probably better if Crimea splits anyway, from the whole stability angle thing. The ones it really sucks for is those in the Eastern Ukrainian provinces. While before you had closer elections between east-leaning and west-leaning politicians, this almost certainly would make east-leaning politics a permanent minority in the country. Can't imagine that sits well in some parts.

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The majority of Crimea's population is ethnic Russian or speaks Russian anyway at this point. It's pretty likely to pass, although it's in violation of Ukraine's constitution as well as international law so who knows what kind of sticking power it will have.


It doesn't violate anything. Eat up more bullsh*t.
Didn't Russia say they would support the territorial integrity of Ukraine a ways back? Like when Ukraine gave up it's nukes?
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You can't pick and choose where democracy counts, it either counts everywhere, or it counts nowhere. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite.

So if 100% of a prison population votes to get out and go home, we need to respect it? If my kids outvote me 2-1 to have ice cream for dinner, we're off to Baskin-Robins?

Of course you can decide when democracy "counts", you dope. The argument against the Crimea vote is that they aren't unilaterally empowered to make that decision without the rest of Ukraine getting a say (just as, contrary to your beliefs, Texas can't just vote to leave the union). I don't care enough to bother debating that point and what the Agreement of Whatever states but this moronic platitude of "Democracy counts everywhere or else you're a hypocrite!" isn't much a starting point either way.

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#221 Mar 07 2014 at 3:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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(just as, contrary to your beliefs, Texas can't just vote to leave the union).
We really should reexamine that.
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#222 Mar 07 2014 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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We really should reexamine that.

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#223 Mar 07 2014 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Catwho wrote:
The majority of Crimea's population is ethnic Russian or speaks Russian anyway at this point. It's pretty likely to pass, although it's in violation of Ukraine's constitution as well as international law so who knows what kind of sticking power it will have.


It doesn't violate anything. Eat up more bullsh*t.
Didn't Russia say they would support the territorial integrity of Ukraine a ways back? Like when Ukraine gave up it's nukes?


You mean 20 years ago, in an entirely different political climate, you aren't really that naive are you? Times change, Ukraine drove Crimea away or didn't do enough to have the people wish to stay Ukrainian. If they want to vote to leave let democracy do its thing.

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You can't pick and choose where democracy counts, it either counts everywhere, or it counts nowhere. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite.

So if 100% of a prison population votes to get out and go home, we need to respect it? If my kids outvote me 2-1 to have ice cream for dinner, we're off to Baskin-Robins?


Hey guys have some hyperbole!

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You can't pick and choose where democracy counts, it either counts everywhere, or it counts nowhere. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite.

"Democracy counts everywhere or else you're a hypocrite!" isn't much a starting point either way.


It makes you a hypocrite when you pick and choose where it applies. We in the west didn't have issue with Kosovo opting to leave. But suddenly its an international violation for the people of Crimea to make that exact same @#%^ing choice. Maybe we just need to have Crimeans start shooting Ukranians, apparently the only way to earn democratic authority is through a war and bloodshed.

Give me a break Joph.




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You mean 20 years ago, in an entirely different political climate, you aren't really that naive are you?
Not so much, but I know some Ukrainians who apparently are... Smiley: rolleyes

20 years of peace is a pretty poor return on 1,100 nukes.
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#225 Mar 07 2014 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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You mean 20 years ago, in an entirely different political climate, you aren't really that naive are you?
Not so much, but I know some Ukrainians who apparently are... Smiley: rolleyes

20 years of peace is a pretty poor return on 1,100 nukes.


Last I checked there isn't a war going on, or any infringement on peace. Sucks that Ukraine might lose a province, maybe the current government should have thought about that before their first act was striking down equal standing of the Russian language in eyes of Government. Maybe the Ukrainian government should have thought about that before it tossed aside an agreement that Easterners, Westerners, EU, and Russia all agreed to.

But yes it was a terrible idea to give up all their nukes. But there have been worse deals than that. sh*t North America was bought and paid for with Muskets and Booze.(blankets filled with small pox not withstanding)

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Occupying its territory is the worst possible provocation to a nation state. If an unmarked Russian soldier tried to claim Alaska he'd be given scant opportunity to identify himself; the matter would be left to a crack medical team. It is an act of war, the only reason it's not being taken as such is because Ukraine is too weak to protect itself.
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Pay-per-view should put her and Putin in a cage fight or something. Would be good money to be made there.
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Pay-per-view should put her and Putin in a cage fight or something. Would be good money to be made there.


i do not know if there is a person in the US who would not watch that show.
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You can't pick and choose where democracy counts, it either counts everywhere, or it counts nowhere. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite.
So if 100% of a prison population votes to get out and go home, we need to respect it? If my kids outvote me 2-1 to have ice cream for dinner, we're off to Baskin-Robins?

Hey guys have some hyperbole!

...said the guy who just said "Democracy counts everywhere or it counts nowhere oe else you're a big meanie-head hypocrite!!" Smiley: laugh
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...said the guy who just said "Democracy counts everywhere or it counts nowhere oe else you're a big meanie-head hypocrite!!" Smiley: laugh

I think what his poorly phrased argument was attempting to reference was the right of self determination, which is generally a fairly universally acknowledged right among first world nations. Scotland my break away from the UK via a democratic process, Quebec might have broken away from Canada, etc. If Crimea's citizens decide they want to be part of Russia and express that through democratic processes, are you arguing they should be made to remain part of Ukraine through threat of military force?
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#232 Mar 08 2014 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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You can't pick and choose where democracy counts, it either counts everywhere, or it counts nowhere. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite.
So if 100% of a prison population votes to get out and go home, we need to respect it? If my kids outvote me 2-1 to have ice cream for dinner, we're off to Baskin-Robins?

Hey guys have some hyperbole!

...said the guy who just said "Democracy counts everywhere or it counts nowhere oe else you're a big meanie-head hypocrite!!" Smiley: laugh


I thought it was pretty clear about what I was talking about others seemed to grasp the concept. Ill be sure to include some cliff notes for you in future discussions on International politics just so we can be sure you understand I didn't swap to talking about what your kids are having for dinner and if my government should support that half way through a discussion regarding Western dismissal of Democratic process of the people of Crimea. Sorry for confusing you Joph.



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#233 Mar 08 2014 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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...said the guy who just said "Democracy counts everywhere or it counts nowhere oe else you're a big meanie-head hypocrite!!" Smiley: laugh

I think what his poorly phrased argument was attempting to reference was the right of self determination, which is generally a fairly universally acknowledged right among first world nations. Scotland my break away from the UK via a democratic process, Quebec might have broken away from Canada, etc. If Crimea's citizens decide they want to be part of Russia and express that through democratic processes, are you arguing they should be made to remain part of Ukraine through threat of military force?


This is what I was referencing.
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If Crimea's citizens decide they want to be part of Russia and express that through democratic processes, are you arguing they should be made to remain part of Ukraine through threat of military force?

Potentially (again, didn't we fight a war over this?). Or, at the very least, the break should be negotiated better than "Welp, we decided we're Russia now.. see ya" with a line draw just a sitcom couple who runs tape down the apartment and one person lays claim to the bathroom and the other one has the kitchen. Which looks to be the aim here. Is the issue here that a nation might be a "hypocrite"? Of course they are. You know this -- nations act in their best interests not because of lofty ideals. I was laughing at RDM's naive belief that it was otherwise or that "hypocrite" was some compelling term that would scare any nation into acting against their best self interests.
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#235 Mar 08 2014 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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If Crimea's citizens decide they want to be part of Russia and express that through democratic processes, are you arguing they should be made to remain part of Ukraine through threat of military force?

I was laughing at RDM's naive belief that it was otherwise or that "hypocrite" was some compelling term that would scare any nation into acting against their best self interests.

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Don't worry, Sunshine. That was never the issue.


Calm down there Gbaji junior. Its ok when something shoots over your head. I hope you understand how incredibly weak hypocrisy makes a country look. Especially one that attempts to be the beacon of freedom and democracy across the globe.
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Calm down there Gbaji junior. Its ok when something shoots over your head. I hope you understand how incredibly weak hypocrisy makes a country look. Especially one that attempts to be the beacon of freedom and democracy across the globe.

You understand that the US isn't going to overtly do anything one way or the other, right? The United States, nor you kids over there in little US-Lite aren't going to invade Crimea to return it to the Ukraine or anything. Various soft moves like sanctions or revoking visas or stuff, sure but it'll begin and end there. Meanwhile, you can hop up and down and say "If you revoke this guy's visa, you have to revoke that guy's visa or else you're a hypocrite!"

Seriously, you have the foreign policy ideas of a high school kid.
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#237 Mar 08 2014 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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Calm down there Gbaji junior. Its ok when something shoots over your head. I hope you understand how incredibly weak hypocrisy makes a country look. Especially one that attempts to be the beacon of freedom and democracy across the globe.

You understand that the US isn't going to overtly do anything one way or the other, right? The United States, nor you kids over there in little US-Lite aren't going to invade Crimea to return it to the Ukraine or anything. Various soft moves like sanctions or revoking visas or stuff, sure but it'll begin and end there. Meanwhile, you can hop up and down and say "If you revoke this guy's visa, you have to revoke that guy's visa or else you're a hypocrite!"


I didn't say anything about sanctions. I said denouncing the referendum the people of Crimea are holding on March 16th is hypocritical. But reach for whatever you need to Joph.

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I think the important question is if the people of Crimea decide to leave will the West respect that democratic decision? Or will they call it illegitimate and essentially spit in the face of democracy.


English mother@#%^er, do you speak it?





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As an aside, what's you're whole outlook on this, do you hate American/Euro Interventionism, or do you really like Russia? I mean, I get the antiwar stance , but I can't noodle out why you are mounting such a defense of Russia's foreign policy.
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As an aside, what's you're whole outlook on this, do you hate American/Euro Interventionism, or do you really like Russia? I mean, I get the antiwar stance , but I can't noodle out why you are mounting such a defense of Russia's foreign policy.


My outlook on this is that the people of Ukraine are getting @#%^ed around AGAIN by this East West divide. I hold, I suppose a Bias against American intervention because Russia, EU, Pro West, and Pro East Ukraine sat down in mid Februray and reached a deal that all parties agreed was the best way to put this whole scenario in the rear view mirror. Then the US State Department got their friend Yats in power ("Friend" is Re: Victoria Nulands phone call with Geoffry Pyatt) have been in his ear since before he assumed office and since then the deal that Pro West elements agreed to not only a week prior is suddenly off the table and not an acceptable outcome anymore.

Edit: I suppose one of the big indicators of a "flip flop" and Americans driving this "crisis" is in December Obama said he would consider sanctions on the Ukraine Government. In Early February Kerry echoed this. Then Yats took power and suddenly in place of Sanctions Ukraine is getting Billion dollar aid packages.


I don't really have anything against the EU other then them slipping in an Ultimatum which they did for no reason really that I can tell and I think triggered the whole thing, When they said take the EU Trade Deal, or the Russian Bailout out package You can't have both its pretty easy to see which one Ukraine would have to take.. EU deals a lot with Russia, I don't see why it would be a bad thing for Ukraine to get an Energy deal from Russia and a trade deal with the EU, but someone at some point decided this would be bad for whatever reason that hasn't been made public.

As for Russia, they have done nothing wrong "law wise" morally sure they probably shouldn't be scuttling ships, blocking ports camping in Ukrainian soldiers or holding wargames on the boarder I think those send the wrong message. However Crimea doesn't acknowledge Kiev as its government anymore so really they are doing what they perceive as necessary to keep the peace they were asked to keep by the people of Crimea. Western Media and US State Dept is trying their hardest to spin the Big bad Russian narrative but they are allowed 25000 troops in Crimea under terms of the treaty, they are allowed to answer a distress call from a sovereign states request for help. For Contrast the people of North Mali requested France support them when Mali national Government was overthrown...no one said anything poor about that decision. Just because Ukranian Troops aren't marching on Crimea doesn't mean that the people of Crimea have perceived a threat to the point they felt they needed the assistance of another nation to provide security and that is perfectly within their right, as it is within Russias right to answer that call.

To me it seems like the US is just swinging wildly into the air and hoping they catch Putin with a right hook, heck even Europe is dragging its feet on following Washingtons lead and the whole One Voice from the west is weaker the longer this goes on. If it looks @#%^y, sounds @#%^y and reads @#%^y. Its probably @#%^y.




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#240 Mar 08 2014 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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I said denouncing the referendum the people of Crimea are holding on March 16th is hypocritical. But reach for whatever you need to Joph.

Oh gee golly no! Not denouncing! Let me run for the smelling salts! Nothing has more power than denouncing! What hypocritical monsters would possible denounce!

Reach? Please, go back to your fainting couch and wait to grow up.
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#241 Mar 08 2014 at 2:23 PM Rating: Good
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
I said denouncing the referendum the people of Crimea are holding on March 16th is hypocritical. But reach for whatever you need to Joph.

Oh gee golly no! Not denouncing! Let me run for the smelling salts! Nothing has more power than denouncing! What hypocritical monsters would possible denounce!

Reach? Please, go back to your fainting couch and wait to grow up.


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No, your ideals are immature, pollyanna-ish and naive and therefore I'll call you a kid.
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#243 Mar 08 2014 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
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No, your ideals are immature, pollyanna-ish and naive and therefore I'll call you a kid.

No wonder your children beat you in a vote on what to have for dinner. I don't like your position! LALALALALA I can't hear you.



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Hypocritically, I cooked what I wanted instead. Now I can't be trusted on the world stage when trying to spread democracy Smiley: cry
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#245 Mar 08 2014 at 2:43 PM Rating: Default
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Hypocritically, I cooked what I wanted instead. Now I can't be trusted on the world stage when trying to spread democracy Smiley: cry


Oh look another reach. Working out this afternoon pretty hard Joph maybe you should take a breather.
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"Another reach"? Are you denying what I had for dinner?

You're getting pretty worked up about this. You've posted about 500x more in this thread than I have -- I think you're a tad bit more invested in this than me Smiley: laugh
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#247 Mar 08 2014 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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"Another reach"? Are you denying what I had for dinner?

You're getting pretty worked up about this. You've posted about 500x more in this thread than I have -- I think you're a tad bit more invested in this than me Smiley: laugh


You got me. Posting about a relevant international political topic in a forum section dedicated for discussion of political stuff. :rimshot:



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#248 Mar 08 2014 at 2:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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You got me.

Well, yeah. I'm not saying you're wrong for being more invested but you definitely are. That's fine and all but you seem to think I share your zeal here when really I'm just having a laugh at your strange notions of how international affairs work. No offense to the fine vodka farmers of the Crimean peninsula but I don't terribly care if they end the month Ukrainian, Russian or Congolese.
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#249 Mar 08 2014 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
You got me.

Well, yeah. I'm not saying you're wrong for being more invested but you definitely are. That's fine and all but you seem to think I share your zeal here when really I'm just having a laugh at your strange notions of how international affairs work. No offense to the fine vodka farmers of the Crimean peninsula but I don't terribly care if they end the month Ukrainian, Russian or Congolese.


Thats nice, I am invested in the politics of my Country, I don't agree that my government should on one hand attempt to promote democracy, while on the other hand say it only counts if its the outcome we support. Personally I don't care where Crimea ends up, I don't care if Ukraine gets split in half. I do care that my government has already made it clear that "we" will not respect the democratic decision of the people of Crimea. It makes my Country look incredibly weak as a proponent of Democracy in the world.



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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Thats nice, I am invested in the politics of my Country, I don't agree that my government should on one hand attempt to promote democracy, while on the other hand say it only counts if its the outcome we support. Personally I don't care where Crimea ends up, I don't care if Ukraine gets split in half. I do care that my government has already made it clear that "we" will not respect the democratic decision of the people of Crimea. It makes my Country look incredibly weak as a proponent of Democracy in the world.

So you're arguing against Western democracy since, well, Western democracy became a thing?
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#251 Mar 08 2014 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Thats nice, I am invested in the politics of my Country, I don't agree that my government should on one hand attempt to promote democracy, while on the other hand say it only counts if its the outcome we support. Personally I don't care where Crimea ends up, I don't care if Ukraine gets split in half. I do care that my government has already made it clear that "we" will not respect the democratic decision of the people of Crimea. It makes my Country look incredibly weak as a proponent of Democracy in the world.

So you're arguing against Western democracy since, well, Western democracy became a thing?

Nope I am arguing against this particular incident because I don't agree with it. I think we have done some really good things throughout the world. We have done some really ****** things. If anyone is to blame for Crimea wishing to leave Ukraine...it is most likely Western Diplomacy in action.
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