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#77 Mar 03 2014 at 10:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I won't bother cutting and pasting a bunch of stuff but here's an article detailing some of the economic and diplomatic punitive measures underway or in discussion by the White house.
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#78 Mar 03 2014 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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So apparently Russian forces have given Ukraine a 4:00 AM deadline for all military on Crimea to surrender or they'll attack.
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#79 Mar 03 2014 at 10:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Am I looking at this too simplistically to view this as a plain struggle between the concept of nation states and the concept of a global economic oligarchy? It seems that Americans (in general) have a somewhat unique perception of these matters. On one hand US citizens, unlike much of Europe, perceive the borders of our country themselves as providing us with the right and status to be citizens of this country, as opposed to Europeans which seems to view the borders of a country as more of a mere political and economic tool rather than a cultural and nationalist qualifier...and the actions of the EU seem to confirm this. On the other hand the United States government seems to operate in the same manner as the European governments in which they seem (to me) to view a 'global' economic state as being more relevant than any notion of nationalism..
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When EU stapled their "no working with Russia" Ultimatum on the deal, Russia countered with a sizeable loan, and a new energy deal that would drastically reduce costs for importing russian gas and oil. Basically Ukraine had the option to take a chance on an "agreement in principle" or take a concrete deal that would solve two of the nations biggest issue at present, lack of money, and lack of affordable energy.
The way I saw it you had two world powers asking a nearly bankrupt country who they wanted to get screwed by. Given they've (Ukraine) been too busy fighting amongst themselves over the last decade to concentrate on economic matters this situation was probably more or less inevitable.
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#80 Mar 03 2014 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
So apparently Russian forces have given Ukraine a 4:00 AM deadline for all military on Crimea to surrender or they'll attack.
Huh, and the Russians are now denying doing so? Not that that doesn't seem par for the course for them here. Smiley: rolleyes

Guess we find out in a few hours.
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#81 Mar 03 2014 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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BBC link. Certainly doesn't seem like Russia is denying anything although they still claim it's all to counter ultra nationalists they have basically conquered Crimea.
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#82 Mar 03 2014 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Tanks have moved up to the Polish border. Looks like they are conducting "exercises".
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And France surrendered.
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#84 Mar 03 2014 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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Tanks have moved up to the Polish border. Looks like they are conducting "exercises".

Nothing worse than tanks with belly flab.

Didn't Putin already make plans with Andrea Merkel to 'observe' what's not been done?
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#85 Mar 03 2014 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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BBC link. Certainly doesn't seem like Russia is denying anything although they still claim it's all to counter ultra nationalists they have basically conquered Crimea.


I counter with this

Also on the Economic front, I think its funny that the US plans to target the Russian economy. Russia will just shut off the Gas/Oil to the East wait a couple weeks and the EU will be back begging for the sh*t, meanwhile demand will rise on the finite amounts from elsewhere, driving the costs up globally. Except in Energy rich nations. Like Russia. Russia hasn't even started playing its economic cards.

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Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 12:57pm by rdmcandie

While the world was focused on Crimea, and Ukraine, Czech Republic has invaded/conquered Slovakia.

Source CNN: http://i.imgur.com/NPzK81w.jpg





Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 12:59pm by rdmcandie
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#86 Mar 03 2014 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Russia will just shut off the Gas/Oil to the East wait a couple weeks and the EU will be back begging for the sh*t

Russia's plan for handing economic pressure will be to eliminate its own primary source of revenue?
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While the world was focused on Crimea, and Ukraine, Czech Republic has invaded/conquered Slovakia.

Smiley: laugh

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 12:16pm by Jophiel
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#87 Mar 03 2014 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Russia will just shut off the Gas/Oil to the East wait a couple weeks and the EU will be back begging for the sh*t

Russia's plan for handing economic pressure will be to eliminate its own primary source of revenue?


Sell it to China so they can conquer south Asia!

Or they can just borrow cash from China like everyone else.
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#88 Mar 03 2014 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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Also on the Economic front, I think its funny that the US plans to target the Russian economy. Russia will just shut off the Gas/Oil to the East wait a couple weeks and the EU will be back begging for the sh*t, meanwhile demand will rise on the finite amounts from elsewhere, driving the costs up globally. Except in Energy rich nations. Like Russia. Russia hasn't even started playing its economic cards.


Haha, no, very wrong. Winter is over, there are plenty of other places to get gas and the Russian economy depends on them selling to somebody. In an economic war the EU would snap Russia's back like a twig. If you put the EU and US economies together, you can't even see Russia's. The cold war ended because Russia lost and went back to being an impoverished backwater. There's a reason the rouble is crashing and not the euro or the dollar; there's a reason the Russian stock-market is the one getting ****** in the **** hardest.

Funny picture, though.
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#89 Mar 03 2014 at 12:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Also on the Economic front, I think its funny that the US plans to target the Russian economy. Russia will just shut off the Gas/Oil to the East wait a couple weeks and the EU will be back begging for the sh*t, meanwhile demand will rise on the finite amounts from elsewhere, driving the costs up globally. Except in Energy rich nations. Like Russia. Russia hasn't even started playing its economic cards.


Haha, no, very wrong. Winter is over, there are plenty of other places to get gas and the Russian economy depends on them selling to somebody. In an economic war the EU would snap Russia's back like a twig. If you put the EU and US economies together, you can't even see Russia's. The cold war ended because Russia lost and went back to being an impoverished backwater. There's a reason the rouble is crashing and not the euro or the dollar; there's a reason the Russian stock-market is the one getting @#%^ed in the **** hardest.

Funny picture, though.


Because Russia was a dominant financial market, or had a competing Global Currency before today. LOL. You should take that show on the Road.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 1:57pm by rdmcandie
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#90 Mar 03 2014 at 1:06 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I know Russia's economy is ****, that's my point. That doesn't stop currency shocks mattering, rather the opposite.
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#91 Mar 03 2014 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I know Russia's economy is sh*t, that's my point. That doesn't stop currency shocks mattering, rather the opposite.


Not when you are not dependent on imports to sustain your production capacity. The value of their currency loss is applicable only outside their boarders. They have just over 300B Trade Surplus. Economic war with Russia would be a futile attempt at resolving the situation. Which is why the EU isn't even on the same page as Murika. It is an ineffective tactic to a self sustaining economy. Germany for example gets hit harder by a declining Russian currency than Russia. Such is the power of being an Exporting nation. If EU doesn't want to buy from Russia, then Russia will just sell to China and Asia.






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#92 Mar 03 2014 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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Mm, mm. Only Germany's balance of payments is further in the black than Russia's (which is approximately half what you said it was, year on year) - Germany is a stronger exporter, being heavily reliant on their (very strong) exports due to their tepid home market. Germany's economy is also about 150% larger than Russia's, of course, and they have quite a lot of friends. Russia has... the Kazakhs.

All modern economies are dependent on imports, even very large nations such as the US, China, Brazil or Russia.

You may notice that the Russian Central Bank doesn't share you view and have spent a considerable sum already slowing down the rouble's slump. Maybe they know something you don't? Anything about the international economy, for example.
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Ukraine's ousted President Viktor Yanukovych has written to Russian President Vladimir Putin asking him to use military force in Ukraine, says Russia's envoy to the UN, Vitaly Churkin.
Well that's all the justification they need, the man they consider the ruler of the country officially asking for an intervention.

BBC live feed wrote:
Here's the important part of a photocopy of the letter read out by the Russian envoy to the UN, which he says was sent by ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych to Vladimir Putin: "In view of this [events in Ukraine], I ask the president of Russia, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, to use the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to restore legality, peace, law and order and stability, and to protect the population of Ukraine, (Signed) Viktor Yanukovych, 1 March 2014".


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I found THESE TWO MAPS to be extremely illuminating about the entire political situation within Ukraine.

Situationally, I don't see any moral difference between Iraq/Saddam Hussain violating sovereign borders to invade Kuwait in the 1990's and Russia/Putin violating sovereign borders to invade a major region of Ukraine now. If we went to war over the former, and we don't go to war over the latter, then obviously more than moral considerations are going on.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Situationally, I don't see any moral difference between Iraq/Saddam Hussain violating sovereign borders to invade Kuwait in the 1990's and Russia/Putin violating sovereign borders to invade a major region of Ukraine now. If we went to war over the former, and we don't go to war over the latter, then obviously more than moral considerations are going on.
I certainly hope so, I don't really feel like dying in a nuclear war.

Anyway, this map was my favorite.

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#96 Mar 03 2014 at 4:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think this is the most accurate map so far.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
If we went to war over the former, and we don't go to war over the latter, then obviously more than moral considerations are going on.
Russia has more and bigger guns.
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#98 Mar 03 2014 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I found THESE TWO MAPS to be extremely illuminating about the entire political situation within Ukraine.

Situationally, I don't see any moral difference between Iraq/Saddam Hussain violating sovereign borders to invade Kuwait in the 1990's and Russia/Putin violating sovereign borders to invade a major region of Ukraine now. If we went to war over the former, and we don't go to war over the latter, then obviously more than moral considerations are going on.


God the comments section on that hurt my head. As for the Kuwait comparison it doesn't really fit the bill here. Huge difference between Iraq and Kuwait, and Russia and Crimea. Russia was ASKED to come to Crimea.

A better comparison would be France and Mali. Mali like Ukraine, had violent protests, Mali like Ukraine had their government overthrown due to protests, The North Region like Crimea, asked their closest friends for help, France like Russia answered that call for help, France like Russia beefed up security at their military bases, France like Russia placed military units at key infrastructure and service hubs (airports, boarder crossing, major highways, sea ports*if Mali had any). The protesters in Mali like Ukraine have been linked to shady elements, in Mali it is links to Al Qaeda, and in Ukraine the Bandera **** movement.

No one called that an invasion, and this is hardly an invasion either. Russia all ready controls Crimea...why invade something you already "own". Its just a game, Obama played his hand with overthrowing the democratically elected pro East Government, and now Putin is playing his by kicking up a bunch of sand in America's face to show West Ukraine they aren't going to find support from NATO, and like Victoria Nuland said....@#%^ the EU.









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Stalker rdmcandie wrote:
Russia was ASKED to come to Crimea.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 6:18pm by rdmcandie


See... you have all this knowledge, present it in a manner that makes me question myself and then say something silly like this. There is an old joke about that would get you sent far, far away. Less, if you inform UB first that the person who told you the joke laughed.

Sigh..I am sure Georgia asked for the intervention too. ****, I am sure Poland asked to become 17th republic of USSR.

Asked...

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 7:00pm by angrymnk
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#100 Mar 03 2014 at 6:14 PM Rating: Default
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_01/Russia-will-not-disregard-Crimean-PMs-request-for-help-Kremlin-3372/

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Russia will not disregard Crimean Prime Minister Sergey Aksenov's request addressed to President Vladimir Putin on providing assistance in maintaining peace and accord in Crimea, a Kremlin source told Interfax. Following an appeal by the Prime Minister of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov, to the Russian President, Vladimir Putin, for assistance in securing peace and quiet in Crimea the Russian presidential administration said Russia would not disregard the request.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26397323

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The unofficial pro-Moscow leader of Ukraine's autonomous Crimea region has asked Russian President Vladimir Putin for help to ensure peace.A Kremlin source said it would "not leave unnoticed" the request from Sergiy Aksyonov. Reports speak of a clash overnight in Crimea's capital and an attempt to seize a Ukrainian missile base. Ukraine's interim Prime Minister, ******* Yatsenyuk, accused Russia of seeking to provoke an escalation.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2014/03/01/Crimea-appeals-to-Russia-to-restore-peace.html

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Meanwhile, Aksyonov called on Putin Saturday to help restore “peace and calm” to the Black Sea peninsula, amid a standoff with the new authorities in the capital Kiev, reported AFP. “Taking into account my responsibility for the life and security of citizens, I ask Russian President Vladimir Putin to help in ensuring peace and calm on the territory of Crimea,” Sergiy Aksyonov said in a statement broadcast in full by Russian state television. Russia responded by saying it will not ignore Crimea leader’s request for help. “Russia will not leave this request without attention,” a source in the Kremlin administration was quoted as saying by Russia’s main news agencies.


HAHAHA GOOD JOKE EH!
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#101 Mar 03 2014 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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Any pictures of him saying that stuff without little red dots trained on his chest?
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