We support equality except at work!Follow

Ability, for the most part. Gays can do any jobs straights can.



I don't think too many gays are being discriminated against in the work place on the left coasts & in most of those states, its illegal to do so. Its those other states that are the problem. Those states that used to put up the "NO N*GGERS!" signs had to be legally told they couldn't do that & now EDNA tries to do the same thing in regards to homosexuals. I get that if you're a churchey origination you can use your religious justification for being a bigot as reason to either not hire or fire someone, but that shouldn't extend to the broader workforce. Separation of Church & State, Pursuit of life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness, etc.



If "ability to do the job" is the reason we've decided its not ok to discriminate against one's religion, gender, or race; how does that not work for sexual orientation?


I think its pretty harmful for the gay person who is fired once his bigot of a boss finds out he's gay. Just as its harmful for the Muslim who's fired because his boss finds out he's muslim. Neither being muslim, nor gay, has any effect on one's ability to do a job so you shouldn't be able to be fired for being either.



I'm fairly certain anyone whom thinks it should be ok to discriminate based upon sexual orientation dislikes homosexuals, or is pandering for the votes of people that do. The person who is not hired or fired because their boss dislikes homosexuals is sufficiently disadvantaged, even if the overall rate of disenfranchisement across the country isn't high enough for your standards. Protecting a homosexual's right to work isn't a "special" protection, its equal protection. If you really think thats wrong, well, you're an *******.

You're right, prejudice and bigotry can be taught. My statement was poorly worded. I forgot I was talking to you, and one has to completely spell out a thought because you are incapable of having a conversation like a normal person.

No one can be forced to have "feelings" toward a group through a law that was enacted to keep employers from discriminating against a minority. That's ridiculous. You can just enact laws that protect groups from discrimination.

Is that better...?

Edited, Nov 13th 2013 9:59pm by Belkira

Here in the south, ice is what you put in your tea. Get your skates out of my tea.

In the Seven Kingdoms, Ice is half of a song.

I tried it, but it wasn't long before I got cold and the neighbours started complaining.

I read through the first page, and couldn't get through much more of Gbaji's drivel. It's sad that the religious teaching that I have chosen to follow has been so perverted and twisted to justify such hatred when that (especially at THIS time of the season) is the exact opposite of the message Christianity teaches.



No, it's not. In fact, we're supposed to love and accept even those who we think are 'sinners'. We are free to make our own choices, but we cannot in good conscience just reject another human being because something about them makes us uncomfortable. That is NOT the lesson we were supposed to take from Christ's sacrifice.



This has got to stop. No matter how many parallels you try to draw between two consenting adults sharing an experience together and an adult brutally forcing themselves on a minor who doesn't even understand what is going on (and cannot give consent), you still end up looking like an idiot because the two are not the same. This, and bestiality, are so far removed from homosexuality it's not even funny.



You promote morality by living a kind and moral life. That means accepting your fellow human being and helping them to be the best they can be, regardless of their own personal choices. Refusing to hire someone because they are gay makes him look like a bigot. It doesn't make him look like a moral man or a hero, and it doesn't make him look like someone who is serious about spreading the message of love and compassion like we are supposed to.



You want to punish people for being gay? What injury did you suffer? What injury did ANYONE suffer? Not your job to judge anyone on their lifestyle choices. Equal protection under the law is not the same as a religious belief, and the two need to be separated. You can't deny someone a living just because who they give themselves to at night makes you uncomfortable (and you need to seriously think about why that makes you so uncomfortable instead of hiding behind religion).

You go too far, Gbaji, and you really need to become more educated. The ability to manipulate words on a forum after proofreading a post ten times doesn't make you an intelligent man.

It's the message you send that will be remembered, not the way you said it. No matter how eloquently arrange your words, you still sound like a complete douchebag.

I tried being instructed to do things, but it wasn't long before I ran out of places to keep the bodies.

Do you know, I just got a tube of polos and they're all broken. It's like a packet of mint dust, pretty much. Just goes to show, life is a weary procession of disappointments until you just wish everyone else was dead.

ETA: Woah, there, Torrence. For an awful moment there, I thought gbaji had gotten guru.

Edited, Nov 14th 2013 3:43pm by Kavekk

Either that or follow in north western Europe's footsteps and start abandoning religion altogether.

That's one of the definitions. So is this: 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.



Nah, that's just you over-reaching with false equivalencies again. You disagree with the homosexual lifestyle in general as you perceive it, but are a coward & won't say why, which makes you ignorant & most likely a homophobe. A person of another race that disagrees with black culture, in general, is most likely a racist. I prefer punk rock to Rap, but I'm not so ignorant to say that rap music is evil & is ruining black youth. I prefer baseball to basketball, but not because more white people play the former rather than the latter. I married a japanese american, but that doesn't mean I hate white woman.

You might love the musical stylings of Cher, but since you disagree with the homosexual lifestyle you're still a homophobe. Gays make you uncomfortable. The thought of them using the same changing areas freaks you the **** out. That's your problem dude, not there's. You'll never convince me that your right to be comfortable in a bathroom trumps the right of a homosexual to use the same one that you're in, because that's GAY.

What about the homosexual lifestyle do you disagree with? Be specific.

What Torrence said in his big post.

Also: I think it's ok for people to believe homosexuality is a sin, and to put in effort trying to save homosexual's souls. BUT I think that If you want to save homosexual's souls, you shouldn't do that by refusing to work with them, or hire them, or by harassing them at work or elsewhere. Refusing to accept your homosexual relatives is also the wrong way to try and save them. Bringing up their sexuality is often is also not going to save their souls. The best you can do is be a shining example of the religious life, being open, welcoming, loving and giving. If you are a beautiful enough person yourself, then sinners may be interested in finding out more about the materials that motivate you. Remember, it is NOT for humans to Judge who gets into heaven and who goes to hell, or who achieves Nirvana. God is the only one that knows another's soul. The only one who can judge if they are full of grace or not. We humans CANNOT judge the state of another soul based on their behavior. Even rapists, murderers, adulterers. We might see a sin, but it is GOD'S realm to accept or reject a soul. Here on Earth our own soul is our only purview. Reaching out and saving other people is done entirely by example. We cannot impose salvation on other people.

This is something that most religious people that I've seen/know fail to comprehend. When you try to push your beliefs onto others, you actually push people away. When you live your life as an example, people will imitate.