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#77 Oct 21 2013 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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RavennofTitan wrote:
Wow. Short birth of a child, having a limb removed or flat out dieing, no reason would make you feel any better then crap for not showing up and having the great grandmother doing your job(most likely better then the guy that didn't show up lol).

Granny prolly insisted on doing the work.

Old women are not dead weight mister.
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#78 Oct 21 2013 at 12:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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She certainly wasn't the type to shy away from it, got her out of her desk and doing something. An order is an order and darn it all someone has to fill it. Smiley: lol
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RavennofTitan wrote:
Wow. Short birth of a child, having a limb removed or flat out dieing, no reason would make you feel any better then crap for not showing up and having the great grandmother doing your job(most likely better then the guy that didn't show up lol).

Granny prolly insisted on doing the work.

Old women are not dead weight mister.



Not dead weight but a person that has every right to take it easy is doing something a person most likely 75 years younger that called out of work with some excuse that may had been a cover for drinking to much the night before should had been doing lol. But yeah I agree people waste when they stop doing something and if her something was filling in for the youngens running the press hey you had one bad *** great grandmother.
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I literally froze to death today at work. Apperently our building heating system is a casualty of cutbacks. That or the jerks just couldn't figure out how to turn it on. I deleted their accounts in retaliation until they provide us warmth. I'm typing this while wearing a custom workmade blanket made of old Pentium IV motherboards wired together. it's not comfortable, but those things knew how to put out some heat!
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#81 Oct 21 2013 at 6:11 PM Rating: Good
Why am I poor:
The most simple answer is I do not get paid enough for today's world. Sure, at the moment, I get more then minimum wage but that does not mean I'm being well paid.

Real reason: Above is true, but I also unwisely spend it on useless crap that I want, but do not need. I should save, I have no major bills because I live with my parents still, so there is no reason. I just like to continue to make poor choices in my spending habits, something I've been working on that way there is money being saved each paycheck.

My parent's are not poor. I would say they are middle class, maybe just peeking into High-Middle Class. They have worked for what they have, but when they were right out of high school they had way better opportunities then I did.

I'd actually go even poorer if I moved out to live alone. Living alone in my part of Illinois is almost a no go for anyone my age. Sure some do it, these people also never have any "savable" money at the end of each month. They work to live in their rented home . . . a logic I've still not understood. One of my younger brothers fits into this. He lives with his girlfriend, after bills each month they hope they can buy food (they eat dinner here at my parent's 4 nights usually, Mon-Thursday) and put enough gas into their car to make it to this house each morning to catch a ride to work (just happens all 4 of us work at the same place. 4 = Mother, Brother & GF, and Me).

In the OP, I think 1, 7 then 4 might be reasons. I don't feel I'm stupid, I know I don't have a super high IQ. I did struggle with somethings in school (main English related), but went off to college. Maybe getting degrees in Fine Arts was not the best idea, but it is what I've always enjoyed. I was just to lazy to give the time to subject that would have probably netted me a better job. Subjects like math and chemistry.

I get told to just stick with my job because down the road it will get "better", but I know this to maybe not be the case.
I work with someone who considers himself poor. He probably gets paid a little more than me and just hopes to get to retirement. Just talking with him, he has had his ups and downs. Where he worked for before, for 22 years, just up and closed. He had to start all over with a new company. He has only been at this one for 7 going on 8 years (I've only been there 3) and he says he makes no where near what he did before. Basically he went from middle-class to poor, had to readjust his lifestyle. He manages but I feel kind of bad for him sometimes.

Why is my Mother's Sister poor:
Because she learned at an early age that you can just live off the system (she fits OP's 1,4,7a,7b, and maybe 6 now >.>). Have kids, lots of them (she has 6 ages 12 to 30) and the government will take care of not only them (up to age 18) but try to make sure the mother is healthy to take care of the kids. Do not obtain a job, government can't force you to get one. Just apply for things and when a government work comes to your house and see you living in poverty they will sign papers that will get you an icebox, a heater, pay for bills (water and sewer), and give you money so the children can get clothing..however instead you "smartly" but thrift store clothing and spend the rest of the money on TV/Game System/Games/Smokes/Gas/etc.

Father of children? One is dead, the other actually is strait up 7b in OP. He loves my aunt I guess. He was in the military and got honorable discharged. He did not seek out the help he should have so he lived a bit of a hard life up until a year or so ago when he finally had to go and apply for disability. He somehow had a pretty big back injurywhen he was a Ranger (thus the Discharge), but he saw it as a weakness so never got the proper help. In his 50s now and it has really started to catch up and he basically has been unable to do handyman work (what he did when he came home).
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Pumpkin Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I literally froze to death today at work. Apperently our building heating system is a casualty of cutbacks. That or the jerks just couldn't figure out how to turn it on. I deleted their accounts in retaliation until they provide us warmth. I'm typing this while wearing a custom workmade blanket made of old Pentium IV motherboards wired together. it's not comfortable, but those things knew how to put out some heat!


Remember to ground yourself, you don't want to short out your blanket.
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#83 Oct 21 2013 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, how dare they take a day off for any reason. I hope you get ****** to death by a palamino, *************

Am I allowed to say that on this forum? Death? I know there might be kids on here that haven't had a grandma die yet,
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#84 Oct 21 2013 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, how dare they take a day off for any reason. I hope you get @#%^ed to death by a palamino, horse-@#%^er.

Am I allowed to say that on this forum? Death? I know there might be kids on here that haven't had a grandma die yet,


I guess my family did it all wrong. The 2 Grandmothers are still alive.
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#85 Oct 21 2013 at 7:51 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
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She is an essential worker!
Much more so than the guy who was supposed to be working, but didn't bother to show up that day, so the 92-year-old wife of the company owner stepped up and did his job for him. Smiley: lol


RavennofTitan wrote:
Wow. Short birth of a child, having a limb removed or flat out dieing, no reason would make you feel any better then crap for not showing up and having the great grandmother doing your job(most likely better then the guy that didn't show up lol).


In case nobody got it, I was referring to a scene in "Schindler's List" with an old, one-armed Jew whose sole job was to pull a lever that operated a press. Justified by reasoning that an able-bodied man should not be wasted in that simple role. "I am an essential worker for Oskar Schindler!"
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Pumpkin Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I literally froze to death today at work. Apperently our building heating system is a casualty of cutbacks. That or the jerks just couldn't figure out how to turn it on. I deleted their accounts in retaliation until they provide us warmth. I'm typing this while wearing a custom workmade blanket made of old Pentium IV motherboards wired together. it's not comfortable, but those things knew how to put out some heat!

In a combination of M. Night Shyamalan and SyFy, it turns out you did literally freeze to death and are now a ghost inhabiting a golem made old motherboards. Soon you'll begin to kill to sate your need for vengeance. Coming this winter: The Ghost in the Machine starring Lorenzo Lamas.
#87 Oct 22 2013 at 3:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pumpkin Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I literally froze to death today at work.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but for some reason, I just cant beleive you.
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#88 Oct 22 2013 at 3:50 AM Rating: Default
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Pumpkin Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I literally froze to death today at work.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but for some reason, I just cant beleive you.


You don't believe in reincarnation?
#89 Oct 22 2013 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Pumpkin Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I literally froze to death today at work.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but for some reason, I just cant beleive you.


He got better.
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#90 Oct 22 2013 at 7:22 AM Rating: Good
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Pumpkin Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I literally froze to death today at work.

I do not think that word means what you think it means...
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#91 Oct 22 2013 at 7:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Debalic wrote:
Pumpkin Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I literally froze to death today at work.

I do not think that word means what you think it means...
It does, Kao is a zombie now.
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Technically my people prefer the term living impaired meat popsicle.

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#94 Oct 22 2013 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kavekk wrote:
Yeah, how dare they take a day off for any reason. I hope you get @#%^ed to death by a palamino, horse-@#%^er.

Am I allowed to say that on this forum? Death? I know there might be kids on here that haven't had a grandma die yet,
Who are you and what have you done with Kavekkk?
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#95 Oct 22 2013 at 12:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I buried him in my pumpkin patch. I'm not sorry. He had to go. The little ****** could have got Guru. He was starting to put on airs, like he thought he was better than me. I brought him down to earth, yes sir. Down to earth and then a little deeper. Heh.

It's safe to say that we're rid of him forever and that this will never come back to bite me.
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Just keep him away from that Necromancer that found Kao and we'll be fine. Too many undead around this forum already. Smiley: oyvey
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Kavekk wrote:
It's safe to say that we're rid of him forever and that this will never come back to bite me.
With halloween right around the corner I wouldn't be too sure of that.
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Kavekk wrote:
It's safe to say that we're rid of him forever and that this will never come back to bite me.
With halloween right around the corner I wouldn't be too sure of that.
I'm waiting on the four k variety.
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Couple points I want to respond to:

TirithRR wrote:
But my point was, why is the button pusher in a manufacturing facility viewed as a more skilled job than the button pusher in a service industry? It's all how society views the importance of the job, and eventually they will (or maybe I should say "should") come to realize that those providing you with a service shouldn't be looked down upon as a lower class. As the average age of the service industry increases, it won't be a bunch of 35 year olds looking down on kids from the next generation, it will be a bunch of 35 year olds looking at their peers.


I think that this is a question which is itself based on a common misconception. The value of labor is not based on how difficult the work is, but on how valuable the output of that labor is to the consumer (or to the employer as the case may be). The button pusher on a factory floor likely handles equipment which adds thousands of dollars of "value" to the bottom line of the company every day. The button pusher at the fast food joint adds maybe $100 to the companies bottom line. That person is at the tail end of the consumption path, and thus his work is least valued.

Add up the total cost of materials consumed by the fast food joint over the course of an 8 hour shift. Then add up the total dollars paid at the register for the resulting food. Now divide the result by the number of people employed during that 8 hour shift. That's the maximum average dollars you could possibly pay those people for that labor. Do the math sometime, and you'll realize that even with a massive mark up on costs, the total sales just isn't high enough to justify paying people high salaries. And if you did, you'd have to raise the cost of the food. The consumers determine the value of the food, which in turn sets the value of the labor used to make it.

Do the same kind of math for a factory and you'll see why the factory worker gets paid more. It's not some unfair conspiracy. It's about how we place value on things.


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No, automation kills jobs. Period. In no way anywhere in the world does automation not remove jobs. I understand what you are saying by making our facilities more productive we would save jobs. But as a control technician as well, I have watched automation remove more jobs than relocation. Now why do I say that despite jobs moving on mass out of Canada and the US in manufacturing. When they come back out automation still limits the jobs.

When a line moves from the US (or Canada) to Mexico the automation goes with it. My supervisor set up the line in Mexico for the EXACT same process as we ran here. It requires the same number of people, and produces the same number of frames. We lost 60 jobs to that line. When and if it comes back the Maximum amount of jobs we can expect is 60, because the process was designed for 20 people to run over 3 rotating shifts. In 1998 that exact same process had 100 people over 3 shifts, 40 jobs ELIMINATEDbecause we had robots come in instead of people. This exact line was recreated in Mexico, making the EXACT same product. If those jobs ever come back it will be the same 60 jobs coming back unless its been further automated since its left, requiring less people.

Automation does not save jobs. It removes jobs entirely from the industry. All over the world. A job done by a robot is a job that will never be done by a human in any part of the world ever again.



That's a very simplistic way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it is that it increases the relative value of the jobs remaining *and* creates the potential for greater total productivity from the market itself (meaning a bigger total pie). What makes the factory workers button pushing more valuable than the fast food workers button pushing is precisely the fact that automation means he's creating more productive output with that button push. That's not a bad thing. That's a good thing.

The argument you're making is akin to saying that tools destroy jobs. If only everyone harvested wheat by hand rather than using some kind of tool, we'd be able to employ so much more of our people harvesting wheat, right? And if we didn't replace those hand tools with automated tractors, we'd save yet more jobs. It's bad logic. In each case, we make the labor we use more efficient, which allows the entire economy to generate more productive output. The idea that this is automatically wrong because it destroys jobs is absurd and somewhat pointless. Jobs will be created to meet the demands of the labor market. The historical record on this is pretty hard to deny.
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Add up the total cost of materials consumed by the fast food joint over the course of an 8 hour shift. Then add up the total dollars paid at the register for the resulting food. Now divide the result by the number of people employed during that 8 hour shift. That's the maximum average dollars you could possibly pay those people for that labor.
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