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Pretty sure it is the rest of us who have to pay!

BAZINGA?!?!?!

Don't get me wrong, I stand by what I said, but I was also demonstrating that he's all about distractions.

http://www.zam.com/forum.html?forum=22

What a surprise that Democrats concentrate their GOTV efforts among Democratic voters? The NERVE of those guys! Why, I personally had Romney supporters offer to carry me to the polls in a golden litter. You know, because their sole concern was the flow of democracy with no regard as to who won the election.

Let me know how the Republican-led efforts to get every minority voter a government ID are going. You know, if they can squeeze that in between tightening polling hours, making it harder to obtain provisional ballots and the ever popular "Mysteriously send fliers into black neighborhoods with the wrong election date" that comes up every cycle.

Edited, Aug 20th 2013 8:29pm by Jophiel

But when you combine that with folks in a homeless shelter, offers of free food and goodies, but they're only taking people who are going to vote Democrat, what do you think that does? It coerces those people to vote Democrat.



Missing the point there Joph. If all voters are required to pre-register and are required to have a valid ID to vote, then the efforts by both parties to get out the vote will include getting people IDs and getting them registered. In this particular case, it means that the Dems would have to go to those shelters on days other than election day and convince and assist likely Dem voters there to go get a photo ID and register. And if, after doing that, those people who now have photo IDs, complete with an address, might just find it a slight bit easier to go out and get a job, isn't that a good thing?

It's a baby step in the right direction, but for some it might just be the nudge that gets their lives back on track. And even if not, it will help prevent voting fraud (or at least prevent the perception of voting fraud). Like I said, heaven forbid we actually use all that money and energy to do something that not only gets people out to vote but *also* provides them with a tool that might just improve their lives in other ways. At the very least doesn't it seem silly to fight to *not* do this? Is there some virtue to fighting against voter ID requirements so that people who don't have IDs don't have to get them? Which is really more of a problem? That they can't vote on election day, or that they don't have IDs and thus can't work, have a bank account, rent a house, operate a vehicle, etc?


If your argument for opposing voter ID requirements is that not everyone who votes has an ID, isn't that then the least of their problems? It just seems incredibly selfish to me that Democrats think that the biggest problem for someone without any form of legal photo ID is that they can't vote Democrat on election day.

Edited, Aug 20th 2013 6:54pm by gbaji

Elections are all about getting people to vote for your side. That's kind of the point. And, not to mention the obvious, but if the people are in a homeless shelter they're already getting food and clothing so I doubt anyone is going ape for a t-shirt.


No, I'm really not. If Republicans gave a shit about making sure poor people had state IDs, they would be making concentrated efforts to get them those IDs. They don't because Republicans don't want those people to vote. Which is 100% the idea of passing the ID laws in the first place.

They're just really really really concerned over the hundreds of millions of cases of voter fraud over the last decade.

Or just hundreds.

Are we talking original vintage here, or a new one?

Pfft, ***** that. A vintage one is worth at least 5 votes. Maybe 6 in Nebraska. On account of the corn.

It would probably make for a pretty good tent though.