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#1 May 05 2013 at 7:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Because we had the long thread about feminism, I thought I'd share this video. I watched here on The Mary Sue, which is quickly becoming one of my favorite websites. It's about 20 minutes long, but it's pretty interesting, IMHO.

#2 May 05 2013 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't want to sound like a jerk, but could you summarize that 20 mins in about 4 to 5 sentences?

Edited, May 6th 2013 4:04am by Almalieque
#3 May 05 2013 at 8:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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The conversation about violence usually takes the wrong perspective - we talk about the victims, not the perpetrators. Some of this is because of the nearly universal tendency to drop the dominant group from any conversation about any problem - race, domestic and sexual violence, crime in general.

Additionally, we tend to talk about each incident as though it were happening in isolation, when we know that violence does not happen in a vacuum. We rarely talk about institutional violence.

We all need to take responsibility for stopping violence; in the same way that whites can and (sometimes) do forestall racist comments and actions by other whites, men need to speak up to other men about sexism and violence. It needs to not be acceptable, or funny, or cute.

That's the gist, I think.
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men need to speak up to other men about sexism and violence. It needs to not be acceptable, or funny, or cute.

"Need to", kitten? Don't you worry your pretty head about what us men "need to" do. You're adorable.
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I will cut a *****, *****.
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#6 May 06 2013 at 5:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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That was not acceptable, funny or cute, Smasharoo.
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#7 May 06 2013 at 6:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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That was not acceptable, funny or cute, Smasharoo.



STOOFOO, ginger boy.

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#8 May 06 2013 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira wrote:
Because we had the long thread about feminism, I thought I'd share this video.
What did I post in that thread? Was it something about sandwiches? That again.
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#9 May 06 2013 at 7:41 AM Rating: Decent
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WATCH “THE TED TALK THAT MIGHT MAKE EVERY MAN A FEMINIST”]
Let me get this feminist stuff wrong again, but I just don't think confusing domestic violence and feminism as being very helpful.

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WATCH “THE TED TALK THAT MIGHT MAKE EVERY MAN A FEMINIST”]
Let me get this feminist stuff wrong again, but I just don't think confusing domestic violence and feminism as being very helpful.


I was already leery after seeing "TED talk", then decided to opt out when I read that teaser line.
#11 Jun 09 2013 at 6:50 PM Rating: Good
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In other news, going topless regardless of gender was upheld in NYC.

Edited, Jun 9th 2013 8:51pm by Timelordwho
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What interests me is that the actual ruling was made in 1992, but women (or at least this Van Voast person anyway) have been being harassed by the police for being topless for years regardless. She deserves to win her lawsuit.

The whole case of topless women being lewd or not is an interesting case study in how women's bodies are still defined by male desire. We've seen it with breastfeeding even, though that has gotten a lot better, where people think it is somehow lewd to do the most natural thing in the world - feed their baby. The fact that men find women's ******* to be sexual is the ENTIRE basis of the lewdness argument. That fetishization (similar to the fetishization of ankles etc in other cultures) is imposed on women's bodies, and women are expected to change their behavior to deal with it.

It actually feeds into the idea of rape culture - where women are viewed as sexual objects when they are just doing ordinary things (like walking around topless on a hot day). We still live in a society where women are expected to alter their lives and behavior (and subject themselves to restrictions not placed on men) based on the male gaze/fetishization.

TL;DR: in B4 "she was raped cause she was walking around topless"
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The fact that men find women's ******* to be sexual is the ENTIRE basis of the lewdness argument.

Not to belabor the obvious, but it's also the same reason why bare genitals are considered lewd. I'm not allowed to walk down the street with my dong hanging out because it's considered lewd on the basis of sexuality. What other possible argument is there going to be for calling something lewd?

Edited, Jun 10th 2013 12:54am by Jophiel
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Is it not a fair assertion that a topless woman would be more likely to be a victim of sexual abuse than her fully clothed comrades?
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:

It actually feeds into the idea of rape culture - where women are viewed as sexual objects when they are just doing ordinary things (like walking around topless on a hot day). We still live in a society where women are expected to alter their lives and behavior (and subject themselves to restrictions not placed on men) based on the male gaze/fetishization.
I don't think it's the boobs. I think it's the tender white skin of the young, nubile (Joph's word!) attractive woman thing that turns men on. The sight of a ball of fat and glands covered with stretched skinned and topped with a nipple has a decidedly different effect on most depending on if the woman is considered attractive or not.


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Is it not a fair assertion that a topless woman would be more likely to be a victim of sexual abuse than her fully clothed comrades?


No. I don't think the lack of a shirt or bra would be a deciding factor for a would be raper to choose who, when or where he'll attempt to rape a victim.



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#17 Jun 10 2013 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm not allowed to walk down the street with my dong hanging out because it's considered lewd on the basis of sexuality.
Clearly you should set up a webcam and charge people to see it. That way you're empowered by your sexuality.
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm not allowed to walk down the street with my dong hanging out because it's considered lewd on the basis of sexuality.
Clearly you should set up a webcam wear a strap-on web cam and charge people to see it. That way you're empowered by your sexuality.
Better yet, a shot on Google Street view.







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#19 Jun 10 2013 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
Timelordwho wrote:


What interests me is that the actual ruling was made in 1992, but women (or at least this Van Voast person anyway) have been being harassed by the police for being topless for years regardless. She deserves to win her lawsuit.

The whole case of topless women being lewd or not is an interesting case study in how women's bodies are still defined by male desire. We've seen it with breastfeeding even, though that has gotten a lot better, where people think it is somehow lewd to do the most natural thing in the world - feed their baby. The fact that men find women's ******* to be sexual is the ENTIRE basis of the lewdness argument. That fetishization (similar to the fetishization of ankles etc in other cultures) is imposed on women's bodies, and women are expected to change their behavior to deal with it.

It actually feeds into the idea of rape culture - where women are viewed as sexual objects when they are just doing ordinary things (like walking around topless on a hot day). We still live in a society where women are expected to alter their lives and behavior (and subject themselves to restrictions not placed on men) based on the male gaze/fetishization.

TL;DR: in B4 "she was raped cause she was walking around topless"

This just sounds like a double standard to me.

I'm not allowed to walk around with my balls hanging out, so why is expecting women to not walk around with their boobs hanging out any different? Or is this just advocating for public nudity in general?
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#20 Jun 10 2013 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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This just sounds like a double standard to me.

I'm not allowed to walk around with my balls hanging out, so why is expecting women to not walk around with their boobs hanging out any different? Or is this just advocating for public nudity in general?
If it helps you feel better, I'm sure we can find some thong looking thing that technically covers them but leaves very little to the imagination.
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#21 Jun 10 2013 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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We can easily find it, and you'd agree it was a good reason to burn down the entire Jersey shoreline.
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Flammable shorelines? I thought that only happened in Cleveland.
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I don't really care to see guys walking around shirtless.
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Flammable shorelines? I thought that only happened in Cleveland.
I bet all the hairspray and fake tans urn quite well.
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someproteinguy wrote:
Flammable shorelines? I thought that only happened in Cleveland.
I bet all the hairspray and fake tans urn quite well.
Thought crossed my mind. All that sunblock on some of those beaches, you wonder what would happen with a stray match.

Also, lol urn.
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Flammable shorelines? I thought that only happened in Cleveland.
I bet all the hairspray and fake tans urn quite well.
Thought crossed my mind. All that sunblock on some of those beaches, you wonder what would happen with a stray match.

Also, lol urn.

I don't think sunblock is flammable.
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