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#177 Apr 17 2013 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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I knew that pressure cooker hung out with a dangerous crowd but, **** it, I loved him and begged him to change Smiley: frown
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#178 Apr 17 2013 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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#179 Apr 17 2013 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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#180 Apr 17 2013 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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Where's lolgaxe? Like, the one time I need him....
#181 Apr 17 2013 at 2:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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#182 Apr 17 2013 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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I was under the Impression that his job was to find people to go out and lose them.
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#183 Apr 17 2013 at 7:28 PM Rating: Good
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I get people to lose them for a few years, then I go over there and win them.
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#184 Apr 17 2013 at 7:52 PM Rating: Default
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It's still pretty large though. I think that picture is the 4 qt one, so the size comparison is off a bit. We're talking about something that's nearly a foot in diameter and solid. It's going to look a lot more bulky than a bag with books in it, and frankly, why would someone have a bag with books in it at a marathon?

First of all, literally hundreds of thousands of people carry backpacks large enough to conceal this device in the city, daily.


There's a massive difference between a backpack large enough to conceal a 1 ft diameter metal pot, and a backpack that actually has a 1 ft diameter metal pot in it. Seriously. Go find 10 friends. Have 9 of them fill their backpacks with normal stuff they'd walk around with. Then have one of them put a 6 qt pressure cooker in his. Then meet and watch the other 9 all immediately look at the 10th and ask "What the **** did you put in there?".

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There was no way to prevent this, there is no way to prevent it from happening again, today. It's part of the risk you have to accept to not live in a totalitarian police state, if someone wants to kill or injure random people, they can.


Well then the obvious response is to pass tighter pressure cooker legislation then, right? I mean, works for guns! Wait! You're not advocating that? So anti-gun legislation isn't really about making us safer, it's about the guns. Got it!
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#185 Apr 17 2013 at 7:57 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
There's a massive difference between a backpack large enough to conceal a 1 ft diameter metal pot, and a backpack that actually has a 1 ft diameter metal pot in it. Seriously. Go find 10 friends. Have 9 of them fill their backpacks with normal stuff they'd walk around with. Then have one of them put a 6 qt pressure cooker in his. Then meet and watch the other 9 all immediately look at the 10th and ask "What the **** did you put in there?".


But, supplies for a 25 mile run aren't "normal stuff" people walk around with. So why not ask them to fill packs with stuff for a 25 mile run, that will take them 5 or more hours, and what ever they may want afterward?

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TirithRR wrote:
gbaji wrote:
There's a massive difference between a backpack large enough to conceal a 1 ft diameter metal pot, and a backpack that actually has a 1 ft diameter metal pot in it. Seriously. Go find 10 friends. Have 9 of them fill their backpacks with normal stuff they'd walk around with. Then have one of them put a 6 qt pressure cooker in his. Then meet and watch the other 9 all immediately look at the 10th and ask "What the **** did you put in there?".


But, supplies for a 25 mile run aren't "normal stuff" people walk around with. So why not ask them to fill packs with stuff for a 25 mile run, that will take them 5 or more hours, and what ever they may want afterward?


Lot of people need pressure cookers, or anything shaped like a pressure cooker, while running a marathon, or for after the marathon, or anything related to a marathon? It's an odd shape to have in any sort of bag. It's the kind off thing, that due to the size and shape, likely wont even fit in any sort of normal backpack (they were in duffle bags, not backpacks). I'm just saying that someone carrying a duffle bag with something like that in it is the kind of thing that should have stood out for anyone seeing it. Hence my surprise that no one noticed it. It's not like you can drive right up to the area around the finish line or anything, so whoever planted it had to have walked a couple blocks (at least) with a duffle bag with a large heavy (filled with gunpowder and shrapnel) metal pot in it. He had to have passed several dozen police officers and security working the event.

Obviously, someone did plant these things. I'm just curious how. Was he signed up to work the event or something? Pretending to be carrying supplies so no one thought to check? I mean, nothing screams "bomb" like a duffle bag with a large pot shaped object in it, right?
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#187 Apr 17 2013 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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I mean, nothing screams "bomb" like a duffle bag with a large pot shaped object in it, right?
That's like saying backpacks look like books because there are books in them. Smiley: laugh
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#188 Apr 17 2013 at 8:33 PM Rating: Good
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Smiley: rolleyes I'm not saying that people carry pressure cookers with them for a Marathon.

You are stuck on how big this pack must have been and how bit it is compared to "normal stuff". I'm claiming that Marathon runners aren't carrying "normal stuff" with them. They are carrying a large amount of stuff with them, in relatively large bags. That would make it harder to differentiate between a pressure cooker in a duffel bag.
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#189 Apr 17 2013 at 8:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll just put out that there actually are pressure cookers and steamers and the like brought to events like this so people can eat fresh afterwards. All events have extension cords and such so it's rarely a big deal.

But I do want to hear more about how Detective gbaji would solve this case. It's quite intriguing. So pretend that fact doesn't exist.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 10:39pm by lolgaxe
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#190 Apr 17 2013 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I mean, nothing screams "bomb" like a duffle bag with a large pot shaped object in it, right?
That's like saying backpacks look like books because there are books in them. Smiley: laugh


And yet, it's usually pretty easy to look at someone's backpack and tell if it's full of books or say his laundry. Similarly, it's pretty easy to look at a backpack with a **** pressure cooker and think "He's got a large metal cylindrical object in that pack. That's odd".
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I'll just put out that there actually are pressure cookers and steamers and the like brought to events like this so people can eat fresh afterwards. All events have extension cords and such so it's rarely a big deal.


Sure. Hence my earlier comments about appearing to be working (or actually working) the event. About the only group of people you'd usually expect to be carrying around large cookware inside containers/bags of some kind would be caterers.

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But I do want to hear more about how Detective gbaji would solve this case. It's quite intriguing. So pretend that fact doesn't exist.


Huh? I'm just pointing out that it's odd no one noticed this prior to the blast. What surprised me in all the massive media coverage was the utter lack of a witness (or a dozen witnesses) all saying something like: "I saw a guy with a large object in a duffle bag place it back behind that area, but I thought he was part of the event, so I didn't think anything of it until the bomb went off". Is that really so unreasonable? Sheesh!
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#193 Apr 17 2013 at 8:47 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
What surprised me in all the massive media coverage was the utter lack of a witness (or a dozen witnesses) all saying something like: "I saw a guy with a large object in a duffle bag place it back behind that area, but I thought he was part of the event, so I didn't think anything of it until the bomb went off". Is that really so unreasonable? Sheesh!


Maybe... just maybe... the difference between it and what everyone else had with them wasn't as big as you are imagining it to be.
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#194 Apr 17 2013 at 8:48 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Similarly, it's pretty easy to look at a backpack with a **** pressure cooker and think "He's got a large metal cylindrical object in that pack. That's odd".
Really? You can tell the composition of the materials behind an opaque material from ten feet away? You can tell it's metal instead of, say, plastic? Or maybe just really packed? Just from looking at it? Are you Clark Kent? Smiley: laugh
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About the only group of people you'd usually expect to be carrying around large cookware inside containers/bags of some kind would be caterers.
Well, you'd expect it because ... well, you're a fatty so you've never been to one of these events. It's quite common for participants to bring their own stuff. It's cheaper, and you have more control of what you're eating.
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What surprised me in all the massive media coverage was the utter lack of a witness (or a dozen witnesses) all saying something like: "I saw a guy with a large object in a duffle bag place it back behind that area, but I thought he was part of the event, so I didn't think anything of it until the bomb went off". Is that really so unreasonable? Sheesh!
It's retarded. "I saw something that happens all the time, being done by thousands of people, and I didn't think of anything of it until the bomb went off" wouldn't exactly be released to a newspaper, nor would it be reported, because 27,000 people would have all said the same thing. "Hey, I saw a dude breathing!" News at 11.

Edited, Apr 17th 2013 10:50pm by lolgaxe
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#195 Apr 17 2013 at 8:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's pretty hilarious that this is the debate Gbaji wants to have. Whether or not a pressure cooker fits in a duffel bag and if it looks "weird".
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#196 Apr 17 2013 at 8:53 PM Rating: Good
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It's pretty hilarious that this is the debate Gbaji wants to have.
If only the other runners had concealed exploding pressure cookers of their own.
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#197 Apr 17 2013 at 9:03 PM Rating: Good
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#198 Apr 17 2013 at 10:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Anyhoo, in all seriousness. It's been a weird and emotional for me the past couple of weeks. And while the emotions leftover from Monday ebb, I now have to somehow change gears. I'm getting married a week from Saturday. I'm not generally a very emotional guy, but as my long engagement ends both me & my fiance seemed to be, a continue to, love each other a little more everyday. It certainly helps with the unbearable sadness that hits you occasionally on account of Monday's madness, so I've probably got a leg up in that regard.

Facing mortality is an odd thing when "it could happen to you" is reaffirmed. Oddly, before this event, my fiance & I had lost 4 different people we knew; My future sister in law's sister to Cancer [39, married with 3 kids] , friend from high school via a seizure in his sleep [he was in a bad wreck awhile back, but had been back competing)29] co-worker & friends sister [22, internal bleeding], & a friend's grandma my fiance was close too. Then Monday's madness, where it feels like it could have happened to anyone, but luckily didn't to anyone I know.

In odd bits of coincidence, it seems like many of us who would have been there for whatever reason, weren't this year. My Mom was watching the race, but from heartbreak hill. For the first time in 4 years, due to the wedding, we didn't take Monday off and go to the Sox game. This was us there in 2010 on the monster.

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After the game, you go & route on the Marathoners. Patriots Day is Boston's holiday & for about 10 seconds, for the first time in the almost 13 years I've lived & worked in the area, it sucked to live in this city. I was fortunate, and while everyone I know is ok physically, it seems we all know people who saw some gnarly ****.

My fiance & I met at a Hotel in the Copley square area. I have many friends that still work in the area. We've all been in the area of the bombs, on Marathon day, at some point or another. Today, we went to the place on Boylston st. where we rented our tuxes for the wedding, & I got my $500 towards a new suit. But first, I bought some flowers and dropped them off at the Corner of Boylston & Berkely. It was eery, because if you faced east towards the park everything looked normal. Look towards Copley Square, & its a ghost town except for the heavy police, FBI, & military presence.

Walking through the park, it was surrounded by news vans. National guard tents are setup in the Commons. State police, FBI, & National Guard vehicles roam the streets. My Hotel has been on lockdown for two days.

Yet unlike anytime in memory, there's a huge difference in attitude & friendliness. Brother [or sister] hood. We all lived through this & it won't let us stop who we are. You want to search my bag getting on the T, go right ahead officer. Walking past the bars, drunks who'd normally be pestering cops are hugging them. Panhandlers with overflowing cups.

Too bad the Bruins lost. But at least the Sox've won 5 in a row.
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#199 Apr 17 2013 at 10:42 PM Rating: Good
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My Mom was watching the race, but from heartbreak hill. For the first time in 4 years, due to the wedding, we didn't take Monday off and go to the Sox game. This was us there in 2010 on the monster.

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Thats your mom?

Crikey!
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#200 Apr 17 2013 at 11:00 PM Rating: Good
lol. That's my fiance. I realize I didn't clarify the "we".
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#201 Apr 17 2013 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
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lol. That's my fiance. I realize I didn't clarify the "we".



My bubble has burst......Smiley: disappointed
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