SCOTUS, Hilary and Same Sex MarriageFollow

Participating in the sense that you're being required to pay for it. I thought I was pretty clear what I meant. We take part in something when we fund it, even if not directly.

No, gbaji, it doesn't exist. As it has been explained to you many, many times, the paperwork you are talking about does not address many of the things that a federally recognized marriage addresses, like green cards, hospital visitstions, the estate tax, social security and health benefits, and so on.

They do exist. They just don't exist in standard form that's easy/cheap to obtain. Of course, for an infinitesimal fraction of the money spent on political change to state marriage laws, they could have written such a contract and made it available to any gay couples who wanted one. And in the time they've spent, said contract could have been tested in court and become common enough to be recognized and accepted by all the various parts of society that gay couples want to recognize their marriages.

Not true, but let's pretend it was. It still wouldn't address the issue of equality and removing the societal stigma. Which is as important as the legal benefits. If black people had to go to a separate agency and fill out more complex forms to be granted a license to drive, you can see...sorry wait, let me rephrase, a reasonable person without significant brain damage could see how they might find that unfair even though the end result was identical. For the record, I have literally no interest to any "response" you offer to that.

Are they? I thought conservatives opposed gay marriage because of religious reasons and no one argued that it was about procreation? Which is it? Given the sheer number of times over the years that I've been told that my arguments on this issue aren't the arguments used by other conservatives, it seems strange to now have them labeled as "conservative establishment talking points".

Reasons? Reasons aren't arguments. The reason people oppose is gay marriage is one of the primary tenets of the Republican Party. There are three legs to the foundation of the GOP: 1. Distribute wealth from the poor to the wealthy through various structural means domestically. 2. Protect wealth abroad through military action. 3. Demonize classes of people to provide an opportunity for your base to feel better than someone.

3 is a very strong seller. It's the *only* reason the GOP expresses concern about Affirmative Action, Immigration, Gay Marriage, etc. So that straight white us citizens can feel better than others by virtue of some innate characteristic. I mean, obviously if they could feel superior by means of accomplishment they'd be Democrats, so you have to offer the loser cowards some way to self esteem.

That's the *reason*. The arguments are wholly synthetic, obviously. No one really believes that immigrants are criminals or whatever the other ******** merchants are spewing out this week and you're blindly copy pasting. They change (as you should know) constantly. What doesn't change is that you can phrase all of them this way "Straight white citizens are better than these people for absolutely no reason beyond existing in the straight white citizen state" I suppose in some cases you could add "Christian" there, but the GOP has been pretty good about not blaming the Jews for everything in the last couple of decades.

Ear sex is the only abstinence sex Gbaji believes in.

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Yes. Because that's the case being brought. I just said that it's interesting that the case isn't something that's normally argued for by the gay rights crowd. if I'd asked you to list off 10 reasons why gay couples should be allowed to obtain marriage licenses a year ago, it's a good bet that this reason would not have been on the list.

Of course not, it's a stupid reason. If you'd asked for a list of good court cases to bring, it'd be near the top of the list. The best plaintiff is almost never the one with the most damages. Not novel or particularly interesting, unless you're a young child, I suppose, or operating under some illusion that court cases are scripted like Lifetime movies.

Because straight couples could get accidentally pregnant and it's all for the children but ignore married couples over 60 or where one or both are infertile.

Because with gbaji and his ilk, "Separate but Equal" is a-ok.

Edited, Apr 4th 2013 10:46pm by Bijou