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#1 Mar 06 2013 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
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I recently talked with Andras Forgacs, CEO of Modern Meadow about some stuff(boring to you) , but eventually got around to discussing both the science behind and the market goals for his idea. Abstracted, you use something similar to a 3D bio-printer to generate lamellar meat tissues, and then run it through a biocuring process to finish it. I brought up the prospect of synthetic Fugu, which he seemed pretty excited about. No blowfish venom risk, limited marbling requirements and it's a premium meat, (and would have fundamental features making it objectively better than caught meat), which softens the scaling required for economic viability, etc.

So, would you eat synthetic meats? And why?

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#3 Mar 06 2013 at 6:20 PM Rating: Good
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Sure, why not? I mean, I eat Gummie Bears and they aren't exactly natural.

I wonder if there could be a way to make it taste the same but with less fat and calories....
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Belkira wrote:
Sure, why not? I mean, I eat Gummie Bears and they aren't exactly natural.


What isn't natural about gelatin?
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#5 Mar 06 2013 at 6:28 PM Rating: Good
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The whole appeal of Fugu is that it's the food equivalent of Russian Roulette. Make a synthetic version of it and eating Fugu wouldn't be any different from eating salmon. Smiley: frown
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#6 Mar 06 2013 at 6:31 PM Rating: Good
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Belkira wrote:
Sure, why not? I mean, I eat Gummie Bears and they aren't exactly natural.

I wonder if there could be a way to make it taste the same but with less fat and calories....


That's one of the things they are struggling with atm, they can get contiguous meats printed fairly easily (not easily), but getting the right spread of fatty tissues and other flavor sources is pretty challenging. If they can figure out 'why' specific geometries and layering of discrete protein groups taste better than others, I can see that being an optimization pathway.
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crispy, greasy synthetic bacon...Smiley: drool

I'd try it, but I think I'd not want to eat it regularly...unexpected consequences and all.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
The whole appeal of Fugu is that it's the food equivalent of Russian Roulette. Make a synthetic version of it and eating Fugu wouldn't be any different from eating salmon. Smiley: frown


If you go by the guys on the Food Network and Travel channel shows, small (safe?) amounts of the poison residing in the meat makes for an enjoyable tingling sensation in the mouth.

Personally I haven't had it and don't really desire to.
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What isn't natural about gelatin?

The artificial cherry flavoring.
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Shaowstrike the Shady wrote:
The whole appeal of Fugu is that it's the food equivalent of Russian Roulette. Make a synthetic version of it and eating Fugu wouldn't be any different from eating salmon. Smiley: frown


Salmon Sashimi is one of my favorite foods. If these more exotic foods were at a competitive price point, I would never eat chicken again.
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What isn't natural about gelatin?

The artificial cherry flavoring.

Well, not all brands use artificial flavorings.

And I assumed Belkira was likening the molded gelatin product to the printed protein product, not so much the slew of flavorings that may be added later. Else she'd probably have mentioned any number of artificially flavored foodstuffs.
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I was mostly talkng about all of the synthetic ingredients that go into almost everything we eat. Gummie Bears just popped into my head first.
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Timelordwho wrote:
So, would you eat synthetic meats? And why?

Yes. Why in 50 years? Price. Why now? Not sure I can think of too many reasons.
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Shaowstrike is wrong about consumers eating it as a masochistic dare of death. But Fugu is a food full of ritual and meaning--marketing traits difficult to transfer to an artificial imitator.
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I'd eat it, but I worry about the nutrional quality of it. We strip away the nutritious part of grains and then try to re-enrich them by spraying vitamins on, but it's not totally effective. Similarly, would artificial meat have all the same proteins (there are lots of different kinds, some of which are called "essential" meaning that we can't produce them ourselves and have to consume instead) and vitamins that an actual animal would have in its diet?
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Timelordwho wrote:
I recently talked with Andras Forgacs, CEO of Modern Meadow about some stuff(boring to you) , but eventually got around to discussing both the science behind and the market goals for his idea. Abstracted, you use something similar to a 3D bio-printer to generate lamellar meat tissues, and then run it through a biocuring process to finish it. I brought up the prospect of synthetic Fugu, which he seemed pretty excited about. No blowfish venom risk, limited marbling requirements and it's a premium meat, (and would have fundamental features making it objectively better than caught meat), which softens the scaling required for economic viability, etc.

So, would you eat synthetic meats? And why?

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The poison is kinda the point to eating it. Not only is there the gambling with your life aspect but the tingling or numbing sensation that comes from the poison.
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The poison is kinda the point to eating it. Not only is there the gambling with your life aspect but the tingling or numbing sensation that comes from the poison.

Yes, of course, YOU LIE ABOUT IT BEING ASSEMBLED. Like every piece of "Red Snapper" consumed pretty much everywhere in the US. It's not a new idea, the lying about fish people can't distinguish between. Haven't you people ever seen "The Freshmen?"
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The biggest issue with synthetic meats would be that vegans would need to come up with a new excuse to whine.
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Ya know the whole eco-web could crumble if people suddenly stopped eating cows.

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I'd eat it.

Not that that means much, I'll try about anything once, synthetic or not. Anyway, who am I injecting now?



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#21 Mar 07 2013 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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I just saw this quote in a blog I was reading....
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"There is no such thing as humane meat." This conclusion was drawn by Ingrid Newkirk, President of PETA, in an opinion piece published last week in The Huffington Post.


Synthetic meat - humane or no?

It could be humane to non-humans, but trying to feed it to people might prove to be inhumane.
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I'd eat it, but I worry about the nutrional quality of it. We strip away the nutritious part of grains and then try to re-enrich them by spraying vitamins on, but it's not totally effective. Similarly, would artificial meat have all the same proteins (there are lots of different kinds, some of which are called "essential" meaning that we can't produce them ourselves and have to consume instead) and vitamins that an actual animal would have in its diet?

It would think it could interfere with natural digestion/absorption/metabolism/excretion flow.

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Surely those cell cultures would speak out against being consumed if they only could.
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Surely those cell cultures would speak out against being consumed if they only could.
Have you ever heard the screaming yeast cells?




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The server at www.darksideofcell.info is taking too long to respond.


Smiley: frown

Thankfully there's google. Smiley: nod

I have to say that's pretty inconclusive, we have no idea if those cells are screaming out in pain because they are being lysed, or if they're just wild drunks. Clearly this needs more study. If someone wants to buy me some alcohol I can test it in the lab.
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Have you ever heard the screaming yeast cells?

They opened for Depeche Mode in 1982, right?
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I went to relisten to the yeast cells and found i didn't have Real Player on my computer. Curious now, I went back and found the post I'd made when I first heard this. It was in 2005. Smiley: clown

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The biggest issue with synthetic meats would be that vegans would need to come up with a new excuse to whine.


My choice to go vegan was primarily for health reasons, so until they can create laboratory meat that has 0 cholesterol that tastes the same as real meat (not gonna happen), I still don't see the benefits.

I prefer to eat things that grow out of the ground, that have no history of genetic engineering. But I'm just a nutjob. Smiley: schooled
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I prefer to eat things that grow out of the ground, that have no history of genetic engineering.
So you eat nothing?
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So you eat nothing?

You could probably survive on foraged things that haven't been the product of selective breeding. Mushrooms almost certainly. It'd be pretty difficult, though.
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Speaking of which, would Monsanto take offense at meat that isn't being force-fed corn?
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Price would be the most important factor to me.
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You could probably survive on foraged things that haven't been the product of selective breeding. Mushrooms almost certainly. It'd be pretty difficult, though.
I think it'd be stretching it, and we'd have to use the most basic of definition for what "living" meant. Are they even high yield and nutritious enough to even sustain a single average individual for a lifetime? You'd probably have to throw some squirrels or fish or something in there, and even that's questionable if you're on the Evolution side of arguments, and most certainly out because vegan.

Eh, it's interesting to think of while eating a burger, but that's about as far as I'm willing to take this exercise.
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You could probably survive on foraged things that haven't been the product of selective breeding. Mushrooms almost certainly. It'd be pretty difficult, though.
I think it'd be stretching it, and we'd have to use the most basic of definition for what "living" meant. Are they even high yield and nutritious enough to even sustain a single average individual for a lifetime? You'd probably have to throw some squirrels or fish or something in there, and even that's questionable if you're on the Evolution side of arguments, and most certainly out because vegan.

Eh, it's interesting to think of while eating a burger, but that's about as far as I'm willing to take this exercise.


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Elinda wrote:
Have you ever heard the screaming yeast cells?

They opened for Depeche Mode in 1982, right?


They came on right before Book of Love. It was a rockin show!
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Speaking of which, would Monsanto take offense at meat that isn't being force-fed corn?

Don't be silly, they just engineer something to taint the produced meat. Capitalism, baby. Didn't you people read The Windup Girl?
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Why would they do that when they could patent and sell the source proteins?

Ink cartridges have a pretty solid markup.
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