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#52 Jan 08 2013 at 9:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's almost like you don't understand how minority party politics works.

To be fair, it has been a while Smiley: grin
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#53 Jan 08 2013 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Touche!
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#54 Jan 09 2013 at 12:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Is this like anti-reality day or something?
Would explain why you posted so many times consecutively.
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#55 Jan 09 2013 at 6:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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You get that the debt ceiling is not the end of this, right?

Nope, it's the end. The GOP learned how important an issue debt was to voters in '12. They, unlike you, aren't complete morons. The GOP hierarchy is already searching for traction on another signature issue. Gerrymandering only gets you so far, crying wolf about a steadily improving economy isn't going to sell in two years. If history is any guide the Obama administration will overreach and have some 2nd term scandal (an actual one, not a bullsh*t manufactured Libya one) that will provide an easy distraction from the massive failure of convincing anyone to give a @#%^ about the debt.
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#56 Jan 09 2013 at 7:03 PM Rating: Default
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You get that the debt ceiling is not the end of this, right?

Nope, it's the end.


I'll quote you on this when it ends out not being the end.
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#57 Jan 09 2013 at 7:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll quote you on this when it ends out not being the end.


You should. Then, if that's actually the case, I'll post "I was wrong," then continue my day. It's a sort of superpower I have called "integrity".
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#58 Jan 10 2013 at 9:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:
If history is any guide the Obama administration will overreach and have some 2nd term scandal (an actual one, not a bullsh*t manufactured Libya one) that will provide an easy distraction from the massive failure of convincing anyone to give a @#%^ about the debt.

That's what I'm counting on. Having your man in the White House is no fun unless you get to loot the place on the way out.
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I'll quote you on this when it ends out not being the end.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/19/us/politics/house-gop-agrees-to-lift-debt-ceiling-for-3-months.html?_r=0

I'll hold my breath.
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#60 Jan 21 2013 at 2:59 PM Rating: Default
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Smasharoo wrote:

I'll quote you on this when it ends out not being the end.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/19/us/politics/house-gop-agrees-to-lift-debt-ceiling-for-3-months.html?_r=0

I'll hold my breath.


For three months?

Also, I didn't say anything about the debt ceiling. I said that the debt ceiling is not the end of the fiscal issues on the table. The GOP is going to continue to push for spending cuts Smash. I'm sure the Dems will fight it tooth and nail, but to pretend that this wont crop up again and again is naive at best.
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#61 Jan 21 2013 at 3:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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The GOP is going to continue to push for spending cuts Smash.
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#62 Jan 21 2013 at 3:08 PM Rating: Default
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Given that Smash's position was that once the debt ceiling was raised, the issue of spending cuts would disappear, it seems that this isn't so obvious to some people.
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#63 Jan 21 2013 at 3:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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I guess the difference is one of us read the posts and the other is you.
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#64 Jan 21 2013 at 3:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Speaking of precognizant brilliance:
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White House adviser David Plouffe told ABC News that despite Republican warnings that the tax debate is over, President Obama would not accept a budget deal without additional revenue.
Said Plouffe: "We are going to require some more revenues. John Boehner himself said he thought there was $800 billion in revenue from closing loopholes. We've dealt with the tax rate issue. Now it's about loopholes."

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) had the same message on Meet the Press: "We're going to do a budget this year, and it's going to have revenues in it. And our Republican colleagues better get used to that fact."
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#65 Jan 21 2013 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
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I guess the difference is one of us read the posts and the other is you.


O'rly?

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Of course. They'll raise the debt ceiling. Why on earth would you think otherwise? There's no way to *not* raise the debt ceiling. This is all theater at this point and you darn well know it. The GOP will call for cuts in spending in return for raising the debt ceiling. The Democrats will refuse. GOP will make a big show of saying that if we don't do something about spending, our deficit will keep growing and the problem will get worse. Insert rhetoric about kicking the can down the road again. Dems will dismiss GOP demands as hostage holding over the debt ceiling and suggest that we should talk about deficit reduction as a separate issue. GOP then takes the high road, says they will "reluctantly" pass a debt ceiling increase, but promise to hold the Dems to deficit talks in coming months.


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Backing down from their hard-line stance, House Republicans said Friday that they would agree to lift the federal government’s statutory borrowing limit for three months, with a requirement that both chambers of Congress pass a budget in that time to clear the way for negotiations on long-term deficit reduction.


It's almost like I knew exactly what was going to happen!


"Giving in" on the debt ceiling is not the end point, as Smash claims. It's part of a longer negotiation.
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"Giving in" on the debt ceiling is not the end point, as Smash claims. It's part of a longer negotiation.

Yeah, it'll last at least two years. Pick an over/under number for the cuts you think will occur, and pick a date. I'll chose over or under. Easy! Or, if that seems confusing or like a gambit, let me know and I'll pick a number and a date. Or whatever you think makes sense, I don't really care. Just something that's easily testable, then one of will at some future point be correct, and one of us won't.
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Defense Spending Cuts, June 2013. Closures of Bases across Europe mostly.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2013 12:41am by rdmcandie
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#68 Jan 22 2013 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Defense Spending Cuts, June 2013. Closures of Bases across Europe mostly.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2013 12:41am by rdmcandie


We'll find a way to pivot our MICC monies to the pacific.
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#69 Jan 22 2013 at 9:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I haven't heard anything about base closures, but I knew they were gonna stop hiring civilian contractors and/or fire some.
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The new GOP plan is, instead of legislating a raise to the debt ceiling, they will legislate to simply ignore the debt ceiling until May 15th. I suppose this eliminates any risk of bumping against a dollar limit early.
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Defense Spending Cuts, June 2013. Closures of Bases across Europe mostly.

How much do we really trust Pooty-Poot, since he's "back" in power?
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"Giving in" on the debt ceiling is not the end point, as Smash claims. It's part of a longer negotiation.

Yeah, it'll last at least two years.


It's an ongoing thing, not a one time thing. Democrats want to increase the relative revenue and spending by the federal government. Republicans want to decrease it. That sort of disagreement doesn't go away, so I'm not sure how a time frame fits into this at all.

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Pick an over/under number for the cuts you think will occur, and pick a date. I'll chose over or under. Easy! Or, if that seems confusing or like a gambit, let me know and I'll pick a number and a date. Or whatever you think makes sense, I don't really care. Just something that's easily testable, then one of will at some future point be correct, and one of us won't.


Pick a date for what? All I said was that the GOP will continue to argue for tax and spending deductions after any debt ceiling increase occurs. You argued that once the debt ceiling was raised, the GOP would just drop any issues about spending cuts. Are you seriously attempting to defend that claim? It's not about when, or a specific date. The GOP will continue to make this argument today, tomorrow, and the next day, and the Dems will argue for more spending and taxes to pay for it today, tomorrow, and the next day. This is not new, and it's not going away.


You're focusing way too much on the specifics and missing the bigger picture.
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It's an ongoing thing, not a one time thing. Democrats want to increase the relative revenue and spending by the federal government. Republicans want to decrease it. That sort of disagreement doesn't go away, so I'm not sure how a time frame fits into this at all.

No, no, You misunderstood. I was merely arguing that the sun was going to explode eventually. I'm sorry if I phrased it in a way that a reasonable person would assume I meant *today*. I mean an acceptable answer to "I wish the sun would come out" is "it's going to blow up", right?

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