A firearm question for you Lefties :: World of Warcraft

#957 Mar 01 2013 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good

Timelordwho

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Jophiel wrote:

Tyler Morning Telegraph wrote:

The Tyler Morning Telegraph has learned that a Van Independent School District employee accidentally was shot during a district-sponsored concealed handgun license class on Wednesday.

The class was part of an effort to permit teachers to carry firearms on VISD campuses.

Leslie Goode, a Van ISD school board member, confirmed that "there was an accident involving one of the employees today."

But think of all the school shooters that didn't come in today!

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#958 Mar 01 2013 at 8:32 PM Rating: Default

gbaji

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lolgaxe wrote:

gbaji wrote:

Yes, idiot. I'm talking about how I think things should be, not how they are now. And frankly, I think arguments of the form "the government is already doing X, so there's no point in preventing it from doing Y" are monumentally stupid.

You didn't mention a Y though, ...

Huh! Um... The "Y" in this case is using making information from gun registration lists public. The "X" is "we already have registration lists". The "the government is already doing X, so there's no point in preventing it from doing Y" argument stems from defending the use of the publishing of that data by pointing to the fact that we already collect it.

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There's already a registry of everyone who *can* own a firearm, and backgrounds checks are fairly super easy and quick

And?

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And we only need to point to Sandy Hook to see how well "your" brilliant idea works.

My idea has never been implemented and is not designed to prevent an incident like Sandy Hook. But then, no other idea short of banning all weapons (which would require repealing the 2nd amendment) would prevent an incident like that either. Are you proposing we ban all firearms and confiscate all those already in possession of every citizen in the US? If you are, then state that and defend it.

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gbaji wrote:

And I see you've still avoided answering my question about the 4th (and 9th and14th) amendment as it relates to the principle of privacy. Shocking really.

Nah, shocking is how they've been answered and you're just not liking the answers so you're repeating yourself in hopes of getting a new answer.

Is this going to be yet another thread where you ignore something over and over, and then insist you "already answered that"? Cause that's always fun!

You insisted that there's no right to privacy when it comes to gun ownership because there's no right to privacy mentioned in the 2nd amendment. My response was that there's also no right to privacy mentioned in the 1st amendment either, yet the government isn't allowed to put a bug in your home to listen to you speak without a warrant. That's because the parts of the constitution which establish the concept of privacy are in other amendments (like the 4th, 9th, and 14th). The fact that this is confusing for your is your fault, not mine.

Edited, Mar 1st 2013 6:34pm by gbaji

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#959 Mar 01 2013 at 8:34 PM Rating: Good

lolgaxe

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gbaji wrote:

My idea has never been implemented

Keep telling yourself that. Smiley: laugh

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#960 Mar 01 2013 at 8:47 PM Rating: Good

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Timelordwho wrote:

But think of all the school shooters that didn't come in today!

They're just trying to make their views known in lieu of the vote.

Enfranchise the young, or these tragedies will never cease.

#961 Mar 01 2013 at 8:48 PM Rating: Default

gbaji

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lolgaxe wrote:

gbaji wrote:

My idea has never been implemented

Keep telling yourself that. Smiley: laugh

I'm sorry? We have a national ID card that is issued to every citizen and resident which is linked to a real time database which indicates with a simple swipe whether that person is currently able to purchase a firearm or vote in a given district for a given election? No. We don't have that. We have a bewildering series of different, redundant, and sometimes contradictory lists of people's names and other information held by various government agencies at various levels of government. This information is somewhat randomly updated, is not tied into any other information, and unlikely to be updated when any relevant status changes (like say someone moves so they should be voting in a different district, or they die and should not be voting at all, or they commit a felony and should not be buying a firearm).

We don't have anything remotely similar to what I proposed.

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#962 Mar 01 2013 at 8:51 PM Rating: Excellent

lolgaxe

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gbaji wrote:

No. We don't have that. We have a bewildering series of different, redundant, and sometimes contradictory lists of people's names and other information held by various government agencies at various levels of government.

Is your goal to win your argument by having me laugh to death? Because you're certainly not doing it through knowledge of the topic so the only chance you have is for the opposition to die. Smiley: laugh

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#963 Mar 02 2013 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good

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I'm sorry? We have a national ID card that is issued to every citizen and resident which is linked to a real time database which indicates with a simple swipe whether that person is currently able to purchase a firearm or vote in a given district for a given election?

It's called "a passport". Or did you mean a mandatory Orwellian required "show me your papers" card? Because that idea's definitely been implemented in places other than the US.

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#964 Mar 02 2013 at 11:13 AM Rating: Excellent

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He's basically saying that by adding a second umbrella to a cocktail the drink will be more alcoholic.

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