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#827 Feb 13 2013 at 3:28 PM Rating: Default
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Are you against a universal registry through ATF that can only be accessed by law enforcement? (nothing like this currently exists before you assume)


If by universal registry, you simply mean a registry of people who are legally registered to own a firearm? Sure. No problem at all. I just proposed an idea where anyone can get a gun registration ID that verifies that they are legally allowed to own firearms. You do that once. The cards are required to purchase any firearm. The POS systems are linked to a database that validates the card, so that if the persons legal status changes, they can't buy guns. Beyond that, no tracking of anything at all. It would act like a credit check. You either can or can't legally own a weapon.

No background checks required because it's already done for you. Swipe your card. Green means you can buy a gun. No need for bewildering registration or licensing systems for the firearms themselves. If you are in possession of a firearm, cop swipes your card. Green means you're legal and you continue on your way. Point being as long as the firearms themselves are legal to own (ie: don't violate existing restrictions), there's no need to track how many anyone has or what types they are within that range. In exactly the same way that if I'm legally able to buy alcohol, the government shouldn't be tracking how many bottles I buy, or what kind. If I want to buy 20 television sets, the government shouldn't track that either. See how that works? If I want to give a friend of mine a gun, as long as he's got a valid card, it's legal. There's no more need to track that than there is whether I give that friend an old dresser I don't need anymore.


We track way too many things already IMO.
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#828 Feb 13 2013 at 3:33 PM Rating: Default
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The Electoral College members are battles won or lost in a war. Is this really such a difficult analogy for people to grasp? What do you think we'd be doing to determine who leads us if we didn't have elections or hereditary rule?


Arguably only in those districts where they're bound by law to vote the people's choice. Until then we're all just running around with blanks...

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Um... But the party chooses the electoral college members. So I suppose it would be more like generals in your army, each holding the territory they won. While it's certainly possible for your general to decide to betray his side and hand over the city/whatever to the other guys, it's pretty unlikely.

It's just funny to me that you guys seem to have never even considered the idea that elections are an analogy for civil war.
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#829 Feb 13 2013 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Um... But the party chooses the electoral college members. So I suppose it would be more like generals in your army, each holding the territory they won. While it's certainly possible for your general to decide to betray his side and hand over the city/whatever to the other guys, it's pretty unlikely.


Okay, I can live with that.

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It's just funny to me that you guys seem to have never even considered the idea that elections are an analogy for civil war.


Have many times, hence post #786. Best part of a civil war is when neither side will really represent you in the end, but they still force you to choose sides... Smiley: rolleyes
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#830 Feb 13 2013 at 3:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
In exactly the same way that if I'm legally able to buy alcohol, the government shouldn't be tracking how many bottles I buy, or what kind.


We do have self policing (supposedly) on the amount of alcohol you are allowed to purchase and consume in a public place. Someone is keeping track of that, when you go into a bar, and start consuming.
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Professor stupidmonkey wrote:
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In exactly the same way that if I'm legally able to buy alcohol, the government shouldn't be tracking how many bottles I buy, or what kind.


We do have self policing (supposedly) on the amount of alcohol you are allowed to purchase and consume in a public place. Someone is keeping track of that, when you go into a bar, and start consuming.


Shooting ranges tend to have rules as well.
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someproteinguy wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Um... But the party chooses the electoral college members. So I suppose it would be more like generals in your army, each holding the territory they won. While it's certainly possible for your general to decide to betray his side and hand over the city/whatever to the other guys, it's pretty unlikely.


Okay, I can live with that.

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It's just funny to me that you guys seem to have never even considered the idea that elections are an analogy for civil war.


Have many times, hence post #786. Best part of a civil war is when neither side will really represent you in the end, but they still force you to choose sides... Smiley: rolleyes


What's the saying? If you don't choose a side, a side will choose you?
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#833 Feb 13 2013 at 4:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
What's the saying? If you don't choose a side, a side will choose you?

Not if I can help it; got an underground bunker a shotgun and a tinfoilhat.

GET ME IF YOU CAN AMERICA!!



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[:shotgun:]

Actually it's kind of nice that most of the time no one else really cares. Well, until we legalize pot or euthanasia or something... Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Feb 13th 2013 2:37pm by someproteinguy
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#834 Feb 13 2013 at 4:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Shooting ranges tend to have rules as well.
Like a log of users, a surcharge, and cameras watching you do what you're there to do. Just like voting!
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Shooting ranges tend to have rules as well.
Like a log of users, a surcharge, and cameras watching you do what you're there to do. Just like voting!

Absentee FTW. All voting should be done while lounging on your couch in your underwear.
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#836 Feb 13 2013 at 5:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Likewise, you're only allowed to use a gun in your own home!
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#837 Feb 13 2013 at 5:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Based on Gbaji's analogy here, I think we can find a solution. 1 vote per person, 1 bullet per person. No restrictions on guns.

No, he already said that doesn't count. See, each person with a gun is a soldier in his side's army just like every person with a vote is a soldier in his side's army. Because casting one vote is the same as firing lots of bull--- hell, I don't know.


Wait. Wait. Wait.



Wait.




What's the Electoral College in this metaphor?


The Electoral College members are battles won or lost in a war. Is this really such a difficult analogy for people to grasp? What do you think we'd be doing to determine who leads us if we didn't have elections or hereditary rule?


What's an absentee ballot? Is it like, a sniper rifle or something?

I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE RULES, GBAJI.
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A provisional ballot is when you run out of bullets and throw your pistol at the enemy, Superman bank-robber style.
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It's just funny to me that you guys seem to have never even considered the idea that elections are an analogy for civil war.

They're not, really. Or at least not past the most basic sense of "two or more 'teams' decide on a winner via some fashion" (hey, chess is an analogy for fist fighting because instead of me beating up an old guy in the park, we can play chess to decide who wins!). Democracy is an alternative to a bunch of other ways to choose the guy(s) in charge but that's not really the same thing as you keep hilariously proving time and again with your goofy attempts to link guns directly to votes.

No one is confused that one of the perks of stable government of whatever stripe is the lack of regular murdering to determine head of state. We're all just laughing at you as you try and stretch it far beyond that because at some point you said to yourself "Hey, people like voting so if I say guns are just like votes, they'll have to agree with me! The perfect trap!"

...and then, of course, you fell into your own pit about fifty times in a row.

Edited, Feb 13th 2013 5:27pm by Jophiel
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#839 Feb 13 2013 at 5:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Come on, it's supposed to be part of liberal indoctrination or something right? Smiley: wink
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#840 Feb 13 2013 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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How is casting a vote equivalent to shooting somebody? Isn't shooting somebody similar to shooting somebody? Did I miss an explanation?
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Those kids at Sandy Hook were voted DOWN~!!!

Why can't we respect these gun-vote rights?!
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#842 Feb 13 2013 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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How is casting a vote equivalent to shooting somebody? Isn't shooting somebody similar to shooting somebody? Did I miss an explanation?


Casting your bullet-vote helps you shoot (read: instruct) your electoral college commander to hold territory, thereby vote-killing the enemy persons. Unless your commander turns traitor, which would mean that he kills you with his betrayal voting cities. But if he's firing vote-blanks, you're okay, as long as you succeed with your saving roll.

Try to keep up.

Edited, Feb 13th 2013 8:26pm by Eske
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Eske Esquire wrote:
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How is casting a vote equivalent to shooting somebody? Isn't shooting somebody similar to shooting somebody? Did I miss an explanation?


Casting your bullet-vote helps you shoot (read: instruct) your electoral college commander to hold territory, thereby vote-killing the enemy persons. Unless your commander turns traitor, which would mean that he kills you with his betrayal voting cities. But if he's firing vote-blanks, you're okay, as long as you succeed with your saving roll.

Try to keep up.

Edited, Feb 13th 2013 8:26pm by Eske


I know that you're being facetious, but the actual vote isn't being shot. In that philosophical thought, the car is just as guilty for transporting you to the location.
#844 Feb 13 2013 at 8:41 PM Rating: Excellent
Lets be honest. No one knows what is actually being "shot" in this analogy. Like most of gbaji's analogies, it only works if you don't really think about it. At all. Ever. Just assume that he's right because the concept is so very obvious.
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Almalieque wrote:
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Almalieque wrote:
How is casting a vote equivalent to shooting somebody? Isn't shooting somebody similar to shooting somebody? Did I miss an explanation?


Casting your bullet-vote helps you shoot (read: instruct) your electoral college commander to hold territory, thereby vote-killing the enemy persons. Unless your commander turns traitor, which would mean that he kills you with his betrayal voting cities. But if he's firing vote-blanks, you're okay, as long as you succeed with your saving roll.

Try to keep up.

Edited, Feb 13th 2013 8:26pm by Eske


I know that you're being facetious, but....


Smiley: dubious
#846 Feb 13 2013 at 9:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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If votes are guns that decide the war, then a filibuster is zombie reanimation?

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If we're going to do this, let's really do this. First, all votes are meant to be equal, therefore the only legitimate thing to do is to only have one legal model firearm. How can you sit there and suggest that a Remington 700 CDL is the same as a Beretta 950 Jetfire? It's ridiculous. Equal vote, equal gun. Next, no one pays to vote, therefore whatever model we decide on has to be free. But to do that it'd have to be government funded, as no one would suggest that people produce millions upon millions of pistols for free, so you'd simply have to raise taxes to cover it. Beretta and Glock already have contracts to make weapons for the armed forces and various law enforcement agencies, so I'm sure they'd be more than happy to get paid more to make more. And, you know we don't prevent people who don't pay taxes from voting, so we can't prevent people who don't pay taxes from these free guns either. That would be unconstitutional.

So I guess that's what gbaji really wants. Higher taxes, no real choice in what low quality firearm you can get and in pretty much anyone's hands regardless of socio-eco status.
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#848 Feb 13 2013 at 10:09 PM Rating: Good
I want a higher caliber weapon than that. Some kind of hand cannon, maybe. With 9-10mm pistols, it's just not America.
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I vote that we shoot this thread. Dead.
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I vote that we shoot this thread. Dead.


I don't know, I wasn't all that impressed with the manifesto...
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