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#102 Nov 23 2012 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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A family of five where the mother works and earns 50k and the father works and earns 50k. Are now going to have to pay an extra 6-9k annually to the leeches.

If you cant see what's wrong with this considering the cost of living you probably aren't even capable of taking care of yourself in the first place.


I grew up in a household where the total income between both my parents combined was about 24k. We had a car, it wasn't the best car, but it got from point A to point B, easily managed the occasional family vacation(once every two years, pretty much), and very rarely required any major repair as my mother took care of it very well. We always had food on the table(good food, home-cooked healthy food), we always had a roof over our heads(and quite the fine house if I do say so myself, spacious living room, large bedrooms, huge basement, good kitchen, a big enough back yard with a good park down the street and a good school around the corner), we always had clothing. My dad is a boat/motorcycle/atv/etc. parts salesman, my mom was first the head tech at a local theater, then did in-home daycare in order to both earn an income, and to be home every day when my brother and I were done school, these days she drives a cab(which isn't the lowlife-type job people tend to assume it is, and pays quite well). There was a short period where we were on welfare(when I was about 7, so, '94ish), but as soon as we didn't need to be, we were off it.

The family that makes 100k gross, and pays, lets say, as much as 50% in taxes(which is terribly unrealistic, and would be worthy of some major investigation into what the @#%^ is happening in that country), is still amazingly well off. The only way you could possibly consider yourself poor even at 50k/year is if you insist on having a lot of stuff you don't need. Does one need a luxury car(or anything that costs from 30k and up) to live well when a car that offers the same level of utility and safety can cost as little as 5k(used) or 10k(new)? Does one need to own a large amount of property to live well? Does one need to be able to keep up with all the current trends to live well? Does one need to own more things than anyone else to live well? Does one need to be better off than someone else to live well? No. The necessities of life do not cost as much as you think, unless you consider the things you need to be the supposed "best" of everything, rather than the stuff that's good enough(or more than good enough). That's the problem with your way of thinking, you think that quality of life is based on how much you can buy, when really its about how you go about living your life. If you can't be happy with a just a bit more than what's necessary, how could you ever be happy with more?

When you make 100k, a deduction of 6-9k, is nothing. 91k/year, sounds like a pretty damn fair deal to me. In the future, lets not try to act like those with thaat kind of money are living terribly at 91k, if they're unhappy with life, then they've made some serious mistakes throughout it.

Oh, by the way I live quite well at a current 17k/year, pretty much debt-free, with more than what I need, thanks for your "concern", but I'm doing just fine.

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My father made about 40K/year as a civil service veteran. That was plenty enough to get us a nice 4BDR house with an acre yard, and allow us all the little niceties that make life comfortable.

Also, it's clear that Crazy doesn't understand our tax system. Actually, most conservatives don't get it. You're only taxed at the higher rate on income made within that bracket.

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My dad made about $80k/year as a pharmacist, and it was enough to allow my mom to stay at home and raise my brother and I until I (the youngest) started Kindergarten.
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We're a family of four making around the $100k mark. We work full time jobs. I have health insurance, a car, a house, pay property taxes, income taxes, all that stuff.
Got a toddler in day care and a middle school aged kid. We're about as "middle class" as middle class gets.

Someone let me know when I'm supposed to rage about Obama and how he's keeping me down.
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Someone let me know when I'm supposed to rage about Obama and how he's keeping me down.
You're supposed to rage about Obama and how he's keeping you down in 20 seconds.
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Money only buys happiness up to $75k. So I guess the family of five needs to start using rubbers. Smiley: oyvey
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A depression is coming and the democrats are the architect's.


Pretty sure it was Bush committing us to an 8 year war that did it.
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A depression is coming and the democrats are the architect's.

So do I have to wait for the depression to rage or am I supposed to rage now?
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A depression is coming and the democrats are the architect's.


Pretty sure it was Bush committing us to an 8 year war that did it.


I dare you to compare social spending to the cost of the war over the last 8yrs. No you democrats increasing the number of people dependent on government is what is destroying this country.


Spending money on your own country's citizens vs. spending money on multiple wars in the middle east.

Tough choices...
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Hope you can do with 7k less annually if obama allows w's tax cuts to expire and your health insurance rates increase due to obamacare.

Seeing as how my family has increased its income far more than that under Obama, we'd be able to survive Smiley: smile

Edited, Nov 25th 2012 8:11pm by Jophiel
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#115 Nov 25 2012 at 9:49 PM Rating: Excellent
Repealing Obamacare would increase the deficit by over a $100 billion over 10 years, so probably shouldn't be a part of any "fiscal cliff" negotiations as, ya know, it wouldn't help lower the deficit at all.
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Spending money on your own country's citizens vs. spending money on multiple wars in the middle east.
Those wars paid off my mortgage.
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Spending money on your own country's citizens vs. spending money on multiple wars in the middle east.
Those wars paid off my mortgage.


Paid off my credit cards!
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#119 Nov 27 2012 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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It's a shame just getting by is all you can aspire to under Obama's reign.
Lucky for you you have your daddy to do all the work for you. Smiley: smile
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Hope you can do with 7k less annually if obama allows w's tax cuts to expire and your health insurance rates increase due to obamacare.

Seeing as how my family has increased its income far more than that under Obama, we'd be able to survive Smiley: smile

Edited, Nov 25th 2012 8:11pm by Jophiel

It's a shame just getting by is all you can aspire to under Obama's reign.

Omg, people are aspiring all over the place!! -> US Consumer Confidence Highest in 4.5 Years

Even YOU can aspire Varus.
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Seeing as how my family has increased its income far more than that under Obama, we'd be able to survive Smiley: smile
It's a shame just getting by is all you can aspire to under Obama's reign.

It's a shame your education has failed you.

Edit: The real shame here is my use of quote tags.

Edited, Nov 27th 2012 11:58am by Jophiel
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Jophiel wrote:
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Seeing as how my family has increased its income far more than that under Obama, we'd be able to survive Smiley: smile
It's a shame just getting by is all you can aspire to under Obama's reign.

It's a shame your education has failed you.

Edit: The real shame here is my use of quote tags.

Edited, Nov 27th 2012 11:58am by Jophiel
Under Romney, you could've aspired to be able to pay someone to fix your quote tags for you. You could have been a job creator; you could have built it yourself.
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Under Romney, you could've aspired to be able to pay someone to fix your quote tags for you. You could have been a job creator


Precisely! It's why God put people in places like Indonesia. Smiley: schooled
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Really? Paying taxes, working, paying a mortgage, workin' the ole economy makes me the Party of Santa Claus?

Huh. Ok. Always funny to hear you mindless drones repeat whatever Limbaugh tells you to say while demonstrating your inability to actually think about it first.
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crazylegz1975 wrote:
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Seeing as how my family has increased its income far more than that under Obama, we'd be able to survive Smiley: smile
It's a shame just getting by is all you can aspire to under Obama's reign.

It's a shame your education has failed you.

Edit: The real shame here is my use of quote tags.

Edited, Nov 27th 2012 11:58am by Jophiel

Yeah I get that your pint sized pea brain couldn't come up with something more creative than "nuh uh you're stupid."

But then again you are representative of the party of santa claus. I guess you'll just have to wait foe the government to email you a witty retort.

The party of Santa Claus? So let me get this straight: increasing your own gain and then happily giving back less than that increase is a bad thing, how?
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The party of Santa Claus?


I'm imagining it's something Rush said. I'm sure that's where Crazy/Varus/Thief always gets his (their? ha) troll material.
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The party of Santa Claus?


I'm imagining it's something Rush said. I'm sure that's where Crazy/Varus/Thief always gets his (their? ha) troll material.

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Poor Rush. He can't root for either side anymore. He's an outcast, drifting alone on the seas of hatred and invective.
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The party of Santa Claus?
I'm imagining it's something Rush said. I'm sure that's where Crazy/Varus/Thief always gets his (their? ha) troll material.
At this point, there really can't be anyone surprised that they're just ineffectual mouthpieces that can't come up with their own material.
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But then again you are representative of the party of santa claus. I guess you'll just have to wait foe the government to email you a witty retort.

Hi, I'm from the government. I'm here to help.
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But then again you are representative of the party of santa claus. I guess you'll just have to wait foe the government to email you a witty retort.

Ho Ho Ho, I'm from the government. I'm here to help.


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Yeah because you're such an individual.
Says the guy who mimics Rush word for word. Smiley: laugh
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Yeah because you're such an individual.

Sure, I'm a tax-paying, college educated, full-time employed, married, family raising, mortgage paying, middle class individual who far prefers Democratic ideas on government than the GOP's Smiley: smile

OHNOEZ RUSH SEZ SANTACLAWZ!!!

It would be amusing to hear you guys try to explain to me why you think I vote Democratic (although I assume it'd boil down to "you done been brainwashed") since every time I hear the Usual Radio Leaders try to explain it, they get it hilariously wrong.

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No supporting a party who's interest rest in keeping people unemployed and on food stamps makes you a member in good standing with the party of santa claus.


Smiley: confused

Was that supposed to be two sentences? Because I'm not sure it says what you wanted it to say. Not that grammar is expected to be perfect or anything, but that one could use another edit or two. Smiley: rolleyes
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The funny thing about food stamps is that plenty of people who work full time or part time are on them, too.

I'd rather keep employed people off food stamps by preventing the exploitation of low wage workers, but that just makes me a tree hugging liberal.
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It would be amusing to hear you guys try to explain to me why you think I vote Democratic
Because you're a dirty Catholic? That alone is reason enough for Imperial Dragon varus to hate you (and me) .
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Really? Paying taxes, working, paying a mortgage, workin' the ole economy makes me the Party of Santa Claus?

Huh. Ok. Always funny to hear you mindless drones repeat whatever Limbaugh tells you to say while demonstrating your inability to actually think about it first.

Yeah because you're such an individual.

No supporting a party who's interest rest in keeping people unemployed and on food stamps makes you a member in good standing with the party of santa claus.

Come back if unemployment goes back below 5% and the number of people on food stamps reduces under Democrat control.
You're really obsessing over food stamps. Did your ration get cut?
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Come back if unemployment goes back below 5% and the number of people on food stamps reduces under Democrat control.


Actually, the last time the unemployment rate in the US was below 5% for more than a month or two, was from December '05 through November '07, a period of time where you insist that all the bad stuff was starting to happen because the Democrats had control of the house(or the senate, I forget which one you and Varus always insist it is). Before that, it was below 5%, and even as low as 3% at poitns during Clinton's presidency from July '97, til September '01, at which point it rose continually until June '03 before levelling out and slowly declining straight through until the financial crisis started to show up. Since then, it went up, peaked in '09, and has consistently fallen since then. And, if you look at the data, you can clearly see that aside from this financial crisis, during the last 60 years or so, it has always been at it's highest when Republicans held more power(with the exceptions of Eisenhower's and Nixon's presidencies). Hell, it nearly hit 11% during Reagan's presidency, never going below 6% until Nov '87, going back up again to almost 8% during Bush Sr's presidency and then dropping during Clinton's.

If you're not willing to look at the numbers, the cold, hard facts, then you can't expect anyone to take you seriously. That being said, I'm only a supporter(as much as a Canadian can be) of the Democrats right now, because the Republicans have been nominating some of the worst people as their candidates(as an addendum, if I'd been an American, and old enough to vote, I'd have voted Bush in '04, because Kerry was a terrible choice). I don't care about the party, I care about the individuals within the parties and their views and actions, and right now, the Republicans are the party that moves backwards, wheras the Democrats are the party that at least attempts to slowly inch forward.
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I suppose it's good that you can all laugh and joke about it. In the meantime pray you don't run afoul with the Obama administration or you might end up having you door kicked in during the middle of the night and dragged off to the camps, we call them prisons now.
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If it were any type of reality, you'd be too scared of the stuff you post and we wouldn't have to be bored by you.
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Come back if unemployment goes back below 5% and the number of people on food stamps reduces under Democrat control.


Actually, the last time the unemployment rate in the US was below 5% for more than a month or two, was from December '05 through November '07, a period of time where you insist that all the bad stuff was starting to happen because the Democrats had control of the house(or the senate, I forget which one you and Varus always insist it is). Before that, it was below 5%, and even as low as 3% at poitns during Clinton's presidency from July '97, til September '01, at which point it rose continually until June '03 before levelling out and slowly declining straight through until the financial crisis started to show up. Since then, it went up, peaked in '09, and has consistently fallen since then. And, if you look at the data, you can clearly see that aside from this financial crisis, during the last 60 years or so, it has always been at it's highest when Republicans held more power(with the exceptions of Eisenhower's and Nixon's presidencies). Hell, it nearly hit 11% during Reagan's presidency, never going below 6% until Nov '87, going back up again to almost 8% during Bush Sr's presidency and then dropping during Clinton's.

If you're not willing to look at the numbers, the cold, hard facts, then you can't expect anyone to take you seriously. That being said, I'm only a supporter(as much as a Canadian can be) of the Democrats right now, because the Republicans have been nominating some of the worst people as their candidates(as an addendum, if I'd been an American, and old enough to vote, I'd have voted Bush in '04, because Kerry was a terrible choice). I don't care about the party, I care about the individuals within the parties and their views and actions, and right now, the Republicans are the party that moves backwards, wheras the Democrats are the party that at least attempts to slowly inch forward.


That's the thing you don't care about individuality. You talk about the cold hard numbers but blame the unemployment rate of the last four years on W. Take a look at the average unemployment rate and the number of people on food stamps during W's first term before the democrats took congress and intentionally sabotaged the economy. Those are the cold hard facts of it. Not that the average over a four year period matter as much as over the periods of one specific year, but over four years, half of which with the Dems having a certain amount of power in the House and/or Senate, the average comes to 5.0836734693877551020408163165306%. That is from January 2005 until January 2009. I can;t find any good data on food stamp usage during that entire time, however, I did find an article that mentioned a 10million increase during W's second term. However, I'd like to make the point that these two things don't go hand in hand as many of those who work, still collect food stamps.

So now the Democrats have controlled the senate the last 8yrs and the presidency the last four. And you obamapologists still refuse to take any responsibility for this. In fact Democrats were the primary cause behind the recession with the community re investment act that caused the housing and mortgage crisis. As I have said before, and as I have backed up with serious research, and a very hard look at all the information, the CRA had absolutely NOTHING to do with the crisis, and in fact, those banks that followed the CRA turned out to be those that weathered the storm best, whereas those that did not, needed bailout money. I've been asking you for weeks now to give me your source for your information so that I can see it, and either refute it with facts, or adapt my beliefs and opinions accordingly, you have not delivered even that, ergo, I have to tell you that you're full of sh*t on this part.

And when obamacares effect is 100 times worse than the reinvestment act you'll look to blame someone else. But the harsh reality is when over half of this country is reliant on government there can be no liberty or freedom for anyone. Under the facade of compassion you liberal democrats have stripped away that which is most important. And what effect has Obamacare had, exactly? I've found evidence to support both sides of the argument, but, the evidence for your side is so easily refuted, that it's almost pointless to keep this up. I'll also mention, my personal opinion on Obamacare, specifically that, any far-reachign reforms to the US health care system should have waited until after recovery from the crisis, and that, if Obamacare had turned your system into something like the Canadian Health Care system, your assertions would have some weight to them, as THAT would have @#%^ed everything

I suppose it's good that you can all laugh and joke about it. In the meantime pray you don't run afoul with the Obama administration or you might end up having you door kicked in during the middle of the night and dragged off to the camps, we call them prisons now. Ok, what? Now you're in tinfoil hat territory. No matter how much you seem to want it to be that way, this isn't a thing that's happening. There is absolutely no evidence to support this, and even with the legislation enacted both during W's and Obama's presidencies, this isn't a thing that can happen. What's next for you? Chem trails? HAARP? Are you going to blame Obama for 9/11 next? By all means, say something more insane than what you just said, I'd love to hear it



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