crazylegz1975 wrote:
Monsieur Driftwood wrote:
crazylegz1975 wrote:
Monsieur Driftwood wrote:
crazylegz1975 wrote:
Food stamp usage up 70% since 2007.
All part of Obama's 75% and the democrat plan.
Unemployment was 4.5 when w and a gop congress ran things. The economy didn't tank until the dems took over congress.
All true.
Firstly, no, it did not increase by 75 percent, hell, anyone who passed high school math classes can look at the graphs and charts in the articles linked throughout this thread and see that that's mathematically impossible. This leads me to believe that you're uneducated, likely a high school dropout, who just blames everyone else(up to and ncluding the government) for the fact that they're going nowhere in life. Nothing wrong with being a droput, mind you, but at least try not to pretend that its anyone's fault but yours.
Secondly, congress has nothing to do with the food stamps program iirc.
Third, how do you figure that congress is to blame for the economy? Or that an economic issue of the sort that's been ongoing since '08 can possibly be fixed, through any action or legislation, in as few as 4 years? Its just not even remotely possible. What about the banks doing shady business? Deregulation? Paying for a war(approved by a republican congress by the way) with deficit spending?
I really feel like we're all starting to sound like broken records at this point, is it really such a difficulty, legz, for you to just give us one valid source(pundits aren't valid sources of information), to at least back up some of what you say? How can you believe anything without evidence? Seriously. How? How do you even remember to breathe with the level of intelligence you show here?
Boy you struggle with basic reading comp. And yes food stamp usage is up 70% since 2007. You're in denial and absolutely refuse to look at the data.
Tell me has unemployment and food stamp usage gone up under obama?
This is a very simple question even for you.
Sir, I have looked at the data,
I posted the data!.
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Tell me has unemployment and food stamp usage gone up under obama?
Food stamp usage? Yes, but they were going up long before that. And there can be many underlying factors that caused it, including, but not limited to the prices of foodstuffs rising, while the wages remain stuck in place. Here in Ontario, Canada, we kind of dealt with that by having the minimum wage rise from 7.75/hr, to 10.25/hr slowly over 3 years. I'm not going to go into some heavy research about the food stamps program in each state(because again, and I'll bold this for you so you see it,
food stamps programs are controlled at the state level), but I'm assuming that you don't have to be unemployed to be on it, as the numbers don't make sense in that way(also, and I find this to be in direct contradiction to your insistence that the dems are responsible, republican led states(as in Republican state congress, governor, etc.) actually have the highest food stamp usage in the nation.) But lets look at the all-around worst:
Georgia: 17.9% of the population is on food stamps, and 8.9% are unemployed. You may notice, that these numbers don't match. The minimum wage is 5.15/hr, employees in places where tips are received are paid, a third-world worthy 2.13/hr. 2.13. Now, I'm not 100% certain, but do these get bumped up to the Federal minimum? If so, who's paying for that? Someone is getting screwed. If not, then it's no surprise that food stamp usage would be high when the people are barely making more than the kids who make your shoes.
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Tell me has unemployment and food stamp usage gone up under obama?
It did, at first, in the wake of one of the biggest financial crisis ever, it had actually already been rising since about '05, but has been dropping at a steady rate since early-mid 2010, and is still dropping, rather sharply in comparison to other periods of time, implying continual improvement in the economic situation. It is, in fact, as the poster 2 posts above mine pointed out, at the same point it was when Obama took office. And it's DROPPING. This is a good thing, take it as such.
I've already provided my sources, as have others. This thread is full of links to various places, from both sides of the political spectrum, that basically tell you that you're wrong. That you're telling me to look at the data when you refuse to do so yourself(or if you do, you're refusing to show us where you got your data), is kind of telling about your intelligence and level of education. Even a 7th grader can do research and cite their sources. This has been bolded for maximum visibility to the apparently blrnd/illiterate. Edited, Nov 22nd 2012 9:37am by Driftwood Edited, Nov 22nd 2012 9:37am by Driftwood You used all those words to basically blame W.
Sorry kid but food stamp usage is at record levels. And most of this occurred under obama.
Unemployment is still right at 8%. How many years ago was the stimulus plan obama and the dems pushed through?
There is absolutely no evidence the economy is improving.
As a matter of fact dual income houses earn a combined 100k will be taking an approximate 6% federal tax increase. That's at least a 6k annual tax increase for millions of americans.
Again all your blathering doesn't change the fact that Democrats main goal is to increase government dependence and decrease individual liberty. So yeah when Obama's finished we all will be poorer and liberty will be a nostalgic concept long since dead.
At no point did I even come close to blaming W. In that post. Hell, I generally lay far more blame on the banks and wall street than on any one presidentr person. Really, there are so many people to blame, its not really worth the effort of writing at any great length about it. At least not here, and most definitely not whemn I'm posting from my phone.
Next up, I'm admitting that, while the levels aren't as high as you claim, food stamp usage is, in fact at record levels. I've made no claims against that fact, only claims that your figures are quite wrong. I'm also wondering exactly how obama has been personally responsible for something decided at the state level, that is actually at its highest in traditionally republican led states. Please, enlighten me to the exact action, that obama has personally taken, all on his own, with no co-operation by anyone at the senate, congressional, or state levels.
Now, there's plenty of evidence that the economy is improving. You're making a common mistale where one assumes that everything that happens with the economy is caused as an immediate(as in, near-instant) effect by something. The frustrating, but necessary reality is that in many cases, sort of a delayed reaction to an action as it's implemented over the course of time. This is very much the case with both the recession, and the slow but steady levelling out, and beginnings of a recovery. You claim that because the unemployment rate is the saem as it was 3 years ago, that there has been no improvement, however, it is at 7.9 now after a steady decline from the 10% it was at in 2010. Its actually a fairly decent achievement to be able to slow, level out, and then reverse the increase in unemployment. Fixing the economy can't be done in a relatively short period of time. It takes years, it will still take a few years from now, it would be no different a situation with the republicans at the helm. Its just not possible. Not in any way. Not with a recession of this extent.
Next point. I'm for tax increases on that level of income and higher. Some people act like they're so poor, only making 100k per year for their household. I hate to break it to you(I don't really, it just sounds better if I say that), but an extra 600/year/100k isn't going to hurt that much, and those people/families will still be quite well off, and still, by a longshot, ahead of a higher number of people than those at those income levels. Sure, they might have to wait a little longer for some luxury or another, but, regardless of any increase, they're not going to lose out on the basic necessities of life, and they will still be able to afford a good many luxuries.
You have provided no evidence to back up your claims that either Obama or the Democrats are intent on keeping unemployment and food stamps up, nor is there any evidence to back up your claims of a decrease in freedom(and in recent years, if you want to get technical, the dems have pushed for more individual freedom. And no, increasing a tax rate is not a cut to freedom, and enacting tax cuts during a recession is stupid, and so insanely irresponsible, that I can't for the life of me, figure out why anyone would do that for any reason past self-interest, but I digress, this has been a long aside, and I think I'll get back to the meat of the post now).
All you've done, is point out a current issue, and then lay blame on Obama and the democrats, and said that they've done so purposefully and consciously and shall continue to do it, but, you haven't said exactly what it is they've done. Which pieces of legislation are responsible? What individual actions has obama undertaken? To what extent did each one have an effect? I form and change my opinions based on the closest things to irrefutable evidence that I can find,, and you've not said a single thing to sway my opinion even in the slightest.. If you think you're so right about these claims, prove it. Show us the evidence that we must clearly(sarcasm) be ignoring or missing that makes your statement so absolutely true and correct. What exactly is it, that we're missing, sir, by all means let us know.