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#102 Sep 14 2012 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
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#103 Sep 14 2012 at 10:34 PM Rating: Good
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Man, now they're attacking British emabssies, and we don't have a single battleship!

I just don't know how to respond.

Last time I checked we still had Trident armed submarines. We should park them in the Gulf.

Actually don't we have 20 or so destroyers & frigates? H

Edited, Sep 15th 2012 12:03am by Nilatai


Why? Does anyone think obama would use them?

Wasn't actually talking about the US Navy there champ. Do try to keep up.
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#104 Sep 14 2012 at 11:42 PM Rating: Good
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crazylegz1975 wrote:
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Man, now they're attacking British emabssies, and we don't have a single battleship!

I just don't know how to respond.

Last time I checked we still had Trident armed submarines. We should park them in the Gulf.

Actually don't we have 20 or so destroyers & frigates? H

Edited, Sep 15th 2012 12:03am by Nilatai


Why? Does anyone think obama would use them?

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#105 Sep 15 2012 at 8:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kavekk wrote:
Man, now they're attacking British emabssies, and we don't have a single battleship!

I just don't know how to respond.


Admiral Nelson would be appalled.

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#107 Sep 15 2012 at 1:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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What would you even fight with a battleship in this day and age, Kavekk?

One of the navies you'd lose wholesale to, or one of the ones you can beat with a missile frigate?
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What would you even fight with a battleship in this day and age, Kavekk?

One of the navies you'd lose wholesale to, or one of the ones you can beat with a missile frigate?


I hear that giant plastic pegs are very effective against them.
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#109 Sep 15 2012 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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Not even the US is fielding battleships, at least until the atomic railgun program is complete.
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What would you even fight with a battleship in this day and age, Kavekk?

One of the navies you'd lose wholesale to, or one of the ones you can beat with a missile frigate?


Battleships are still great for ordinance delivery to shore targets. I'd rather send a $3,000 16" shell at a target and obliterate it into a large crater than send a $1,000,000 cruise missile to do the same thing. The naval rail gun project has a working gun, it shoots, it stands up to repeated shootings without destroying the barrel, and it would be very cost effective to operate. Now that the panama canal has been dredged to "post panamax" standards, they should dust off the Montana class battleship plans, update them, put the whole thing on a ford class aircraft carrier hull form with a few extra A1B reactors, and then give it to the marines. Armor the crap out of it to guard against conventional shipkillers, don't worry about nukes because if someone nukes your navy, it's ww-III anyways and the missiles will do the rest. You have something that could put 12 16-19" shells down range every 15 seconds, with a magazine that can't explode, and with an ammo cost of approximatly whatever a handful of scrap engine blocks costs these days per shot. I like airplanes. I like missiles because they fly, Drones are neat too. But we should be building one really expensive battleship rather than flying 30 equally expensive aircraft to do the same job at 80 times the cost.
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#115 Sep 16 2012 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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Littoral ships do that for much cheaper.

After tuning the tech and increasing production numbers, drones will be more affordable for inland small ops targets. Which makes much smaller drone carriers viable.

There is realistically no place for conventional battleships at present.

Once we have strong railguns, they will have a role for sustained barrage fire, but they will require nicer AA/sub screening ships, otherwise they are much too vulnerable.

This is all assuming we don't go the heavy distributed support direction like we have with our airforce; which would look something like a primarily electric craft,
composing of single railgun destroyers, ultralight drone carriers, and nuclear generator ships fitted with additional detection/comm eq) to fuel the rest. The obvious hole here is AA, but current ACCs with fielded with something much better against sukhois than JSFs; ie dedicated AA craft. Current DARPA R&D points to light laser strikers with heavier BVR missile support. This strategic direction has the advantage of requiring very little resupply, along with deployment flexibility.
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What are you babbling about? Maybe my English isn't what it should be. It's like you people are speaking English but it's like your talking in some kind *** liberal code. I suppose that's a good thing if I knew what you were talking about I'd probably think obama's great as well. Well one things certain; it's all bushes fault.


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#121 Sep 17 2012 at 6:39 AM Rating: Good
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Better? How is radical islam conquering our once allies better for us?
How do you define radical islam - Iran? Ahmeninajad? All the middle east except Israel?

...or maybe you're talking strictly about a religious movement?


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#122 Sep 17 2012 at 6:41 AM Rating: Good
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What would you even fight with a battleship in this day and age, Kavekk?

One of the navies you'd lose wholesale to, or one of the ones you can beat with a missile frigate?


Battleships are still great for ordinance delivery to shore targets. I'd rather send a $3,000 16" shell at a target and obliterate it into a large crater than send a $1,000,000 cruise missile to do the same thing. The naval rail gun project has a working gun, it shoots, it stands up to repeated shootings without destroying the barrel, and it would be very cost effective to operate. Now that the panama canal has been dredged to "post panamax" standards, they should dust off the Montana class battleship plans, update them, put the whole thing on a ford class aircraft carrier hull form with a few extra A1B reactors, and then give it to the marines. Armor the crap out of it to guard against conventionaal shipkillers, don't worry about nukes because if someone nukes your navy, it's ww-III anyways and the missiles will do the rest. You have something that could put 12 16-19" shells down range every 15 seconds, with a magazine that can't explode, and with an ammo cost of approximatly whatever a handful of scrap engine blocks costs these days per shot. I like airplanes. I like missiles because they fly, Drones are neat too. But we should be building one really expensive battleship rather than flying 30 equally expensive aircraft to do the same job at 80 times the cost.


And do we do all this before or after all the defense spending ts on the table? All this really doesn't matter anyway. No chance we'll use heavy machinery against muslims while obama's in office.


Eight half ton bombs in 2011 work for you?

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Better? How is radical islam conquering our once allies better for us?


You know how these sorts of strategic allies work, right?

They are our allies until something better shows up.
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Funny that you spend more time debating whether I'm this guy varus than you do talking about
It's because nothing you say is worth discussing.
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#125 Sep 17 2012 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Varus was more entertaining.
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#126 Sep 17 2012 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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Funny that you spend more time debating whether I'm this guy varus than you do talking about

You can be Varus. It's all up to you.
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