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I think we'll see tomorrow, won't we? We'll also likely see the first time a popular vote has stopped one of these silly constitutional amendments from passing the electorate. Happy days are ahead, oh my! How many years until it's legal everywhere here? Just about time for people to decide and place themselves on the right side of history or be seen in the same light as the kooks who are against things like interracial coupling...OH LAWDY, MY PEARLS! IMMA CLUTCHIN' EM SO TIGHT!

But you see, the polls aren't skewed on this. They've been making a very strong push towards acceptance, or at the very least ambivalence. This issue really is on its way to sorting itself out.

Yes you will.

Yes. It's the language which is doing it. Not a shift in social mores.

Those lawyer folk and their twisty devil language be ruining america for all them honest Christians.

Why can't it be both?

Obviously there's a change in demographics, as I believe is a good thing. But, to act like there isn't any form of deception in questioning is delusional. That's not to say that it's a set up from the Man, but you should be more realistic with yourself. We just ended months of fallacious political ads, attacks, statements, etc., so to believe that people always take the "high road" when attempting to get what they want is self-denial.

Hey everybody, Alma is Orson Scott Card.

Who'da thunk it?

Oh, nothing. A little lightbulb just went off for me, and I think it blew a fuse in the process.

It's all cool now.

The argument is that neither polling or elections accurately reflect the views of the people being polled or doing the voting.

Edited, Nov 8th 2012 8:32pm by catwho

The argument is in three points.

The first point is that polling isn't a mathematical proof for a conclusion, because there is a difference between statistics and mathematics. Statistics use mathematics, but it doesn't make it a mathematical proof.

The second point is that what you're polling and how you're polling makes a difference. The reason why people can be accurate in political polls years in a row is because of trends. The bible belt will always vote Republican. That's not math, that's statistics. I could of guessed the same states that won Red and Blue from the last election and would have gotten over half of them right without doing any extra work. Polls on trends can get by with a smaller sample size because there's no need to poll Red or Blue states, just the swing states. Even at that point, they break it further down into counties. However, polling the nation on their opinion on something that is heavily divided will never mathematically guarantee results with the same sample size.

The third point is that political polls are snapshots at that day and time that could change immediately upon their release. Unless people will change their behavior based on the political polls, they serve no purpose to people outside of the campaign other than to fulfill their curiosity. Other forms of statistics actually have an effect on society. Given the fact that people will still hold onto "hope" or their belief until election night, there is no value in it for non campaigners.

First of all, all of the polls were not right on. I've been posting links to show the contrary and if you watched Fox News, they were obviously off.


HTF do you people not realize the difference between Statistics and a mathematical proof? I could have said "No change from 2008" and would have been 49/51 (if I'm not mistaken). That's not a mathematical PROOF, that's called statistics.

Using math IS NOT THE same as creating a mathematical proof. There is no mathematical proof to determine the results of a poll. He used statistics! I'm truly sorry if you fail to see the fundamental difference and how they are related.