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#27 May 09 2012 at 10:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm beginning to think that there are a lot of things that neither the feds NOR the states really have jurisdiction over (e.g. my ovaries.) **** states rights, what about human rights?
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#28 May 09 2012 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
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Gaining a small amount of excitement among a group that has one of the lowest voter turnout rates in return for alienating another group that has a much higher rate seems like a bad idea.

It's a hedge against the economy. It's a high interest issue that isn't particular bad for either candidate to discuss. If voter impressions of our economic state are positive closer to the elections, he'd like to steer the discussion that way. If voter impressions are negative, he'll be offering up other topics such as *** marriage as alternatives to help define the race. It's an issue conservatives could strongly latch on to and allow to dominate the news cycle.
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NYT: Pollster Andrew Kohut of nonpartisan Pew Research Ctr says nationwide,a plurality of swing voters favors same-*** marriage 47%-39%.

Working class Democrats aren't honestly going to care about this. They'll care about the direction the economy is headed, the unemployment rate and potentially things like who wants to cut their benefits or attack their union status. The Democratic-voting group most opposed to *** marriage is African Americans and Obama will still take them over 9:1 versus Romney. Voting wise, I expect it'll be a wash. Donation-wise, it'll appeal to progressives and the "elite" which I expect is more why it happened than an expectation for big returns in the voting booth.
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I salute your courageous use of such homoerotic imagery.
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#32 May 10 2012 at 7:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Supposedly (heard on radio), the campaign received over a million dollars in donations within 90 minutes of Obama's statement so there's something.
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you almost have to support Obama at the poll due to Mittens clearly overstepping his bounds in what the right views as a states issue.

Gbaji also contorts himself to avoid admitting that Romney would, in Romney's own words, be "delighted" and think it "terrific" to sign a federal ban on all abortions. Gbaji's interest in state's rights begins and ends with what which issues Gbaji supports and which he doesn't.
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#33 May 10 2012 at 7:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I salute your courageous use of such homoerotic imagery.


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#34 May 10 2012 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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To be perfectly clear, the president said "At a certain point, I've just concluded, that for me, personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-*** couples should be able to get married."

I'm not sure that I would call this a resolute statement of anything.

On the other hand, the presumptive Republican nominee's response, "I've had the same position I've had since, well, since I ran for office," doesn't exactly stoke warm fuzzies.
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On the other hand, the presumptive Republican nominee's response, "I've had the same position I've had since, well, since I ran for office," doesn't exactly stoke warm fuzzies.


At least Obama now favors your right to have those warm fuzzies stoked by whomever you choose.
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It's a statement of what he personally thinks. He also said it should be a state issue and didn't indicate that he was going to push to legalize it or amend the Constitution or anything.

I think it'll be good for some extra checks at Clooney's house and be old news by November. The only ones who'll be "swayed" by it are those who already hold strong opinions and weren't going to cross aisles no matter what.
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Gbaji also contorts himself to avoid admitting that Romney would, in Romney's own words, be "delighted" and think it "terrific" to sign a federal ban on all abortions. Gbaji's interest in state's rights begins and ends with what which issues Gbaji supports and which he doesn't.
States' rights have been used to cover up such a multitude of crap over the years that I can't help but shrug. Is anyone really making this their pivotal issue?
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#38 May 10 2012 at 8:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you have any clue how old and tired the whole "You should support someone whose policies you disagree with nearly 100% because the guy in your own party kinda sorta did something this one time that you might not agree with 100%"? It's really pretty moronic.
"You should support someone no matter what their policies are 100% of the time because they're with the political label you place on yourself" is clearly the only intelligent way to look at candidates.
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#39 May 10 2012 at 8:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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Now, I don't know anything about government, but this whole states rights thing confuses me. How can states have laws that contradict each other, and even at the federal level? That seems to weaken the whole national identity and continuity. Like marijuana. How can it be legal in one state, then the Feds come in and bust legal operations? How does it make sense to make SSM legal in some states, but not recognized in others, or even nationally?
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I genuinely do not understand why *** marriage is even being debated. Didn't we go through this second-class citizen ******** with black people already? What's to debate? *** citizens are still citizens and shouldn't be treated any differently, yet here we are hashing out issues I thought our country had already resolved decades ago.
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#41 May 10 2012 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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I genuinely do not understand why *** marriage is even being debated. Didn't we go through this second-class citizen bullsh*t with black people already? What's to debate? *** citizens are still citizens and shouldn't be treated any differently, yet here we are hashing out issues I thought our country had already resolved decades ago.

My best understanding of the opposition to "*** marriage" is the use of the term "marriage", which has religious meaning in addition to the legal definition. I'll bet that if you asked people if they supported "civil unions" for *** couples, the response would be much more favorable than asking if they supported "*** marriage."

But then we've already had 50-page threads debating this.
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Now, I don't know anything about government, but this whole states rights thing confuses me. How can states have laws that contradict each other, and even at the federal level? That seems to weaken the whole national identity and continuity. Like marijuana. How can it be legal in one state, then the Feds come in and bust legal operations? How does it make sense to make SSM legal in some states, but not recognized in others, or even nationally?

Federal law trumps state law which is why the feds can do drug busts even if the state doesn't actively arrest/prosecute for it. There is no overarching federal marriage law that defines it for the states (DOMA only applies to federal benefits and definitions) and states have been broadly left to define definitions, legal age, etc for themselves.
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An NBC poll from March asked if people would be more/less likely to vote for a candidate who supported SSM. 25% More so, 20% Less so, remainder no difference.

I suspect most of that 25/20 comes from people who are already strongly for/against the issue and saying you'd be 10% more likely to vote for someone you were 99% likely to vote for anyway isn't especially earth-shattering.

Edited, May 10th 2012 10:08am by Jophiel
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Nexa wrote:

To be perfectly clear, the president said "At a certain point, I've just concluded, that for me, personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-*** couples should be able to get married I just got trolled by Biden."

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Romney says the definition of marriage hasn't changed for over 3,000 years.

Andrew Sullivan points out that, a century ago, Romney's great-grandparents were fleeing to Mexico to escape an oppressive US government which disagreed with the (then) Romney definition of marriage: that it's between a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a...

Edited, May 10th 2012 11:42am by Jophiel
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Romney says the definition of marriage hasn't changed for over 3,000 years.

Andrew Sullivan points out that, a century ago, Romney's great-grandparents were fleeing to Mexico to escape an oppressive US government which disagreed with the (then) Romney definition of marriage: that it's between a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a...

Edited, May 10th 2012 11:42am by Jophiel

Not to be the pedant, but all of those marriages were between 1 man and 1 woman. The 1 man simply had several instances saved.
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Not to be the pedant, but all of those marriages were between 1 man and 1 woman. The 1 man simply had several instances saved.

If that's what makes you feel better Smiley: laugh
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