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#102 Apr 04 2012 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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#103 Apr 04 2012 at 2:51 PM Rating: Excellent
And you're assuming that people who live in a fictional future would have a specific worldview. They probably would look at things a lot differently than we do, that doesn't mean that they wouldn't react the way Majivio described. There is no way for us to know what would be realistic in that situation, because we don't live in that sort of world.
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Stop me if you've heard this one:

1. Gbaji has an okay point that he'd like to make. Instead of just making it succinctly, he coats it in a fine layer of BS and sends it forth in all its verbose glory.

2. Somebody tells him that he's wrong about some part of this. Now's his chance to pare down his initial point to the small nugget of truth that it might have contained, and reassert it.

3. Instead, he throws more BS at the problem, hoping that he can sweep away the opposition by virtue of the sheer amount BS that they have to wade through in order to contradict him. He's effectively quadrupled the amount of stuff that he got wrong in the first place. The point that he is trying to make may now have shifted entirely.

Repeat steps 2 and 3 until somebody gets bored, or forgets to respond.



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#105 Apr 04 2012 at 2:54 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
You're projecting your own worldview onto people who would have a very different one.


I'm seriously bringing this up next time you complain about how nobody here seems to understand your logic. Smiley: wink
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#106 Apr 04 2012 at 4:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just don't feel like this can be stated enough: IT'S A FICTIONAL BOOK AIMED AT TEENS, GBAJI.
#107 Apr 04 2012 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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Stop me if you've heard this one:

1. Gbaji has an okay point that he'd like to make. Instead of just making it succinctly, he coats it in a fine layer of BS and sends it forth in all its verbose glory.

2. Somebody tells him that he's wrong about some part of this. Now's his chance to pare down his initial point to the small nugget of truth that it might have contained, and reassert it.

3. Instead, he throws more BS at the problem, hoping that he can sweep away the opposition by virtue of the sheer amount BS that they have to wade through in order to contradict him. He's effectively quadrupled the amount of stuff that he got wrong in the first place. The point that he is trying to make may now have shifted entirely.

Repeat steps 2 and 3 until somebody gets bored, or forgets to respond.
I would sig that if it were shorter.Smiley: smile
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I just don't feel like this can be stated enough: IT'S A FICTIONAL BOOK AIMED AT TEENS, GBAJI.

That he hasn't read.
#109 Apr 04 2012 at 10:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I will confess that whoever said I was ******** because there wasn't enough tiddies in the movie has an excellent point. Katnip, for all of her other faults, cannot be accused of not filling out her fake-fire black leather catsuit and later her pink prom dress.

It's nice to see Hollywood movie starlets with some meat on their bones for a change. ScarJo is a prime example of Hollywood liberalism run amok. There you have a good looking and nicely rounded Fly-over State girl who makes it big in Tinseltown, only to go on a diet after being told her carbon a$$print is too big and turn into Sarah Jessica Parker's sister.
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That girl needs to put a feedbag on her face and substitute those oats with a cheeseburger. I just hope it doesn't happen to Katnip.

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#110 Apr 05 2012 at 1:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gbaji,

You really should read the books if you're going to try and point out specific flaws. Children in District 12 have no opportunity to prepare for the Hunger Games. The book states that starvation is rampant in the district, with many families exerting all their efforts into simply obtaining enough food to survive. Additionally, weapons of any kind are forbidden under penalty of death. Katniss hunts using a bow she hides outside the district to avoid detection.

To Totem's point, I read the books because my wife ordered me to and I enjoy ***, and I considered them trash novels in that they are enjoyable books, you read them at a fast pace and can throw away after reading. The movie was decent if you'd never read the books.
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Stop me if you've heard this one:

1. Gbaji has an okay point that he'd like to make. Instead of just making it succinctly, he coats it in a fine layer of BS and sends it forth in all its verbose glory.

2. Somebody tells him that he's wrong about some part of this. Now's his chance to pare down his initial point to the small nugget of truth that it might have contained, and reassert it.

3. Instead, he throws more BS at the problem, hoping that he can sweep away the opposition by virtue of the sheer amount BS that they have to wade through in order to contradict him. He's effectively quadrupled the amount of stuff that he got wrong in the first place. The point that he is trying to make may now have shifted entirely.

Repeat steps 2 and 3 until somebody gets bored, or forgets to respond.

I would sig that if it was shorter

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I will confess that whoever said I was ******** because there wasn't enough tiddies in the movie has an excellent point. Katnip, for all of her other faults, cannot be accused of not filling out her fake-fire black leather catsuit and later her pink prom dress.

It's nice to see Hollywood movie starlets with some meat on their bones for a change. ScarJo is a prime example of Hollywood liberalism run amok. There you have a good looking and nicely rounded Fly-over State girl who makes it big in Tinseltown, only to go on a diet after being told her carbon a$$print is too big and turn into Sarah Jessica Parker's sister.
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That girl needs to put a feedbag on her face and substitute those oats with a cheeseburger. I just hope it doesn't happen to Katnip.

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Agreed. Jennifer Lawrence was so great in Winter's Bone, which would have been a challenging role for a much more experienced actress, and part of that was just that she looked like a real girl. One of the distracting things about Justified is that all the women are drop-dead gorgeous, which, if you've ever been to rural Kentucky, is not exactly representative of the population as a whole.

It ****** me off when actresses get grief in the press if they gain five pounds. Most of them would be healthier if they did.
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It ****** me off when actresses get grief in the press if they gain five pounds. Most of them would be healthier if they did.
And sexier.
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Especially if the five pounds is in her chest.

What?
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One of the distracting things about Justified is that all the women are drop-dead gorgeous, which, if you've ever been to rural Kentucky, is not exactly representative of the population as a whole.
The general population in the show has too many teeth altogether.
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Gbaji,

You really should read the books if you're going to try and point out specific flaws.


I'm not pointing out "specific flaws" in the books though. I'm not saying "on page 18, they said this, then on page 157 they said something that contradicted that". For that, you'd have a point. But I'm making a general statement about the basic premise of the games themselves and assessing their effect from a socio-political point of view. For that, I don't need to know any specifics. Just how the games are constructed and what the alleged purpose is.

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Children in District 12 have no opportunity to prepare for the Hunger Games. The book states that starvation is rampant in the district, with many families exerting all their efforts into simply obtaining enough food to survive. Additionally, weapons of any kind are forbidden under penalty of death. Katniss hunts using a bow she hides outside the district to avoid detection.


Yup. All things which by themselves serve well to prevent the districts from rising up against the capital. So why add the games to this? My point is that everything else staying the same, the primary result of the very existence of the games would (in any human society) be to increase the degree to which people hate the capital and increase the likelihood that children will train (in some way) in various skills which may help them in the games *and* which may help them if they ever decide to rise up against the capital again.

The kids are starving and struggling already. What do the games add to this?

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To Totem's point, I read the books because my wife ordered me to and I enjoy ***, and I considered them trash novels in that they are enjoyable books, you read them at a fast pace and can throw away after reading. The movie was decent if you'd never read the books.


I'll almost certainly watch the film when it comes on cable and I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I'm not saying that this prevents enjoyment of the film. I'm just pointing out that the premise is pretty weak itself. Of course, without that premise, you wouldn't have the games, and you wouldn't have a novel.

Anyone want to take bets on whether at some point hatred of the games grows to a point where another uprising occurs in the novels? Want to take bets on which characters end out leading that uprising (or at least being key players)? Will such a thing (assuming it happens) be directly connected to the existence of the games? Absolutely. Will the skills of those who trained for (and even won) past games be critical to said uprising? Yeah. Probably. It would be a crappy story if they didn't. I mean, we all know where the plot will eventually lead in this series. It's like the author is hitting you over the head with it.

I'd absolutely love to be wrong about that btw. But I'm probably not.
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Agreed. Jennifer Lawrence was so great in Winter's Bone, which would have been a challenging role for a much more experienced actress, and part of that was just that she looked like a real girl. One of the distracting things about Justified is that all the women are drop-dead gorgeous, which, if you've ever been to rural Kentucky, is not exactly representative of the population as a whole.

It ****** me off when actresses get grief in the press if they gain five pounds. Most of them would be healthier if they did.
Still, though, Justified is a pretty awesome show. That and Sons of Anarchy are some of the better shows on TV. I really really liked Terriers but it was seriously the worst-promoted show I've ever seen FX do. Terrible name, terrible ads. A real shame.

But ****, most every show is like that. I mean, male characters can run the gamut of attractiveness, but typically, female principals are pretty attractive by typical standards.
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One thing I like about Big Love is that the women on the show look like real people. I guess it takes a show about a culture where makeup is frowned upon to get there.
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If there's the option of volunteering to be tribute, why don't they just train one kid to be some kind of uber assassin from birth. If fiction has taught me anything, it's that those kinds of kids are pretty much invincible.

Also, no, I've not read the books. I may do, but I get the feeling it's one of those more or less straight to film franchises like Twilight or Harry Potter which people over-hype.

edit: After reading thread: Oh right, starvation.


Also, the premise of the books, I'm assuming, is that Katniss will become some kind of saviour for the downtrodden and whatnot? Almost single handedly overthrowing the evil government/ruling class or inciting some kind of revolution?

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One thing I like about Big Love is that the women on the show look like real people. I guess it takes a show about a culture where makeup is frowned upon to get there.

One of these days I'll finish watching that. I'm about 4 episodes into season 4.
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If there's the option of volunteering to be tribute, why don't they just train one kid to be some kind of uber assassin from birth. If fiction has taught me anything, it's that those kinds of kids are pretty much invincible.


Some of the districts do this. They have to be in pretty high favor with the powers that be so a blind eye is turned, but it happens.

And yes, Katniss and her friend become the focal point of a popular uprising. There's nothing particularly realistic about it, but it's a fun read.
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Yes. But do you see how there's a key difference (which I pointed out directly) between those system and one in which you randomly select two teens from each district to fight to the death? I honestly don't know if the book(s) touch on this at all, but I imagine that since the possibility of any teen being selected exists, that every teen will have to spend at least some effort learning skills useful and applicable for those games


Exactly. This is why people who play the lottery spend at least some amount of time learning financial planning skills to better be able to deal with winning.

You should probably focus on the fact that this an extremely popular series for children that's basically Atlas Shrugged FOR TEENS! But it's actually readable...

All of the protagonists spend a great deal of time trying to throw off the oppression of organized government, even, in the last book, the organization that's running the revolution against the original totalitarian collectivist state. The message, very clearly, is that all government is bad, individual will triumphs, yadda. There's a little anti war stuff, as well, but mostly in the context of war being governments fighting with each other, and soldiers not understanding or caring why.

Liked the book, liked the movie. You might hate it, but you should support the main theme.

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One thing I like about Big Love is that the women on the show look like real people.


Really? Chloë Sevigny and Jeanne Tripplehorn look like "real people"?? Amanda Seyfried?

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One thing I like about Big Love is that the women on the show look like real people.


Really? Chloë Sevigny and Jeanne Tripplehorn look like "real people"?? Amanda Seyfried?



More so the other women on the show, but yeah. I'd argue that they look more "average" here than we're used to seeing them, particularly Seyfried and Tripplehorn.

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Yes. But do you see how there's a key difference (which I pointed out directly) between those system and one in which you randomly select two teens from each district to fight to the death? I honestly don't know if the book(s) touch on this at all, but I imagine that since the possibility of any teen being selected exists, that every teen will have to spend at least some effort learning skills useful and applicable for those games


Exactly. This is why people who play the lottery spend at least some amount of time learning financial planning skills to better be able to deal with winning.


That's a pretty horrible analogy even for you. People prepare for winning the lottery by being very good couch potatoes, because that's what they expect they'll be able to do for the rest of their lives if they win. I don't think anyone in the Hunger Games series has a mistaken impression of what will happen if their name is drawn.


Kind of a moot point isn't it? I haven't read the books or seen the film. I do know writers though so I will go out on a limb and predict that the series is chock full of teens (and former teens, otherwise known as adults) who are inordinately (some might even argue implausibly) capable with a variety of weapons and survival skills. Am I right? I mean, the theme's kind of a survival of the fittest thing, right?


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/shrug (haha! I slay me). Like I said earlier, the presence of a contrived premise to create the main plot elements in a story does not preclude me enjoying said story. If it did, I'd have to hate about 90% of the films/novels that I do like. Doesn't mean I wont point out that said plot is contrived though.
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I haven't read the books or seen the film. I do know writers though so I will go out on a limb and predict that the series is chock full of teens (and former teens, otherwise known as adults)


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Probably aiming it at tweens limited the depth the author was going to take the story.
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Probably aiming it at tweens limited the depth the author was going to take the story.


Sure. At least it's not vampires sparkling in the sunlight or something.
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#133 Apr 10 2012 at 12:29 AM Rating: Good
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I haven't read the books or seen the film. I do know writers though so I will go out on a limb and predict that the series is chock full of teens (and former teens, otherwise known as adults) who are inordinately (some might even argue implausibly) capable with a variety of weapons and survival skills. Am I right?


No, you aren't. Like I said before, plenty of the districts are too poor to devote any sort of time to training their kids in any sort of survival skill other than learning how to deal with going hungry. The main character only does well because her father taught her to hunt, and both of them would go hunt in the forest together (which was illegal and the government considered it poaching). They specifically state in the book, that in the 74 year history of the Hunger Games (in the beginning of the first book anyways), there have only been two champions from District 12. The vast majority of the time, the career tributes from districts 1, 2, and 4 end up winning because they have been taught survival skills and how to use weapons, as their districts are better off financially. ****, Peeta (the other tribute from 12 in the book) doesn't have any survival skills either, and his family owned the bakery and rarely went hungry. Well, the one survival skill he has is how to camouflage himself using paint, but that's more of a trick he came up with because he's good at artistic creativity from decorating the cakes his family's bakery produced. That wasn't really something he was taught, it was more along the lines of something he pulled out of his ***.

I know you think that this isn't realistic, but myself and plenty of other people in this thread (and others beyond this forum) disagree. If you are so poor that your family frequently goes hungry, you aren't going to preoccupy yourself with training for a battle that each year, you only have about a 1/1000 chance of winning entry into. Those are still pretty slim odds. A tenth of a percent I think? And that was just the figure for district 12, which Katniss says is a pretty small district.
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#134 Apr 10 2012 at 8:04 AM Rating: Excellent
What? No it's completely unrealistic. It's also a book aimed at tweens.
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I don't understand how anyone can enjoy a book where a character is called 'Peeta'.
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Agreed. Jennifer Lawrence was so great in Winter's Bone, which would have been a challenging role for a much more experienced actress, and part of that was just that she looked like a real girl. One of the distracting things about Justified is that all the women are drop-dead gorgeous


Yeah, that Mags Bennet, she was a looker. The only attractive women are the ones Raylan bones, and to be honest, most of them look like skeletons with tootsie pop heads. They do all seem to wear 900 inch heels. Maybe that's a common thing in Kentucky? Never been.

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Yeah, don't think so. Maybe up in Frankfort, or wherever the gangsters live.
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Yeah, don't think so. Maybe up in Frankfort, or wherever the gangsters live.


If the show's at all accurate, and I view it largely as a roman clef docudrama about the Marshall Service, they reside in Memphis. Apparently Kentucky is to backwards even for it's own organized crime outfits.
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Well, if rambot has seen it, it must be good.
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One of these days I need to see that movie; if just to figure out what all the fuss is about.
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#151 Aug 16 2012 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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awaycomesock wrote:
inb4 some lame dismissal of my post b/c "oh noes! you responded to an old thwead!"
Too bad you didn't inb4 mockery of your nuclear rage over a movie for teens.
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