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#52 Apr 01 2012 at 7:27 PM Rating: Good
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You can't say that FF did that when no one saw it.

Are we talking about movies or Gbaji's definition of rape?
#53 Apr 01 2012 at 10:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Was there any of this "adults consuming young adults literature en masse" thing going on before Harry Potter? I suppose if you back far enough you had The Hobbit and the Narnia series but I can't think of anything from the 80s or early-mid 90's until Harry Potter. Now it's been Harry Potter into Twilight into Hunger Games. That's only three series but each one has pushed out enough books to form a constant stream of grown-ups reading books nominally written for 10-14 year olds.

Edit: I'm not even saying that it's a terrible thing. Beats a lot of other stuff I guess. It just seems like a new thing.

Edited, Apr 1st 2012 2:19pm by Jophiel



Y'mean, like, Little Women?

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#54 Apr 01 2012 at 11:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
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Avatar showed the power of computerized cinematography.

Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within did that. Avatar was just some movie 8 years later that marketing convinced people to watch.
You can't say that FF did that when no one saw it.
when I saw that movie in a theatre, most of the audience seemed to have trouble with a computer animated couple being affectionate and then having ***. It bumped them out of their suspension of disbelief.
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#55 Apr 02 2012 at 6:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
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You can't say that FF did that when no one saw it.

Are we talking about movies or Gbaji's definition of rape?
The movies. There was a key word in the original quote--showed. You need an audience for that and FF never hit mainstream audiences. Avatar did. Avatar showed the world something new. FF showed a cult following something new.
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#56 Apr 02 2012 at 6:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Seriously, what did you expect?

I liked the movie. If you'd paid any attention to the movie at all instead of looking for the hidden pictures of T & A you could have answered most of your own questions that you ask in the op.

It was a better movie and story than much of the garbage that the media hoists at us.

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#57 Apr 02 2012 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
FF showed a cult following something new.
That Squaresoft wasn't infallible?
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Y'mean, like, Little Women?

I'll be the first to admit that my knowledge of Little Women begins and ends with its title. Something about hobbits, I assume.
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#59 Apr 02 2012 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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Y'mean, like, Little Women?

I'll be the first to admit that my knowledge of Little Women begins and ends with its title. Something about dwarf ****, I assume.

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#60 Apr 02 2012 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Was there any of this "adults consuming young adults literature en masse" thing going on before Harry Potter? I suppose if you back far enough you had The Hobbit and the Narnia series but I can't think of anything from the 80s or early-mid 90's until Harry Potter. Now it's been Harry Potter into Twilight into Hunger Games. That's only three series but each one has pushed out enough books to form a constant stream of grown-ups reading books nominally written for 10-14 year olds.

Edit: I'm not even saying that it's a terrible thing. Beats a lot of other stuff I guess. It just seems like a new thing.

Edited, Apr 1st 2012 2:19pm by Jophiel



Y'mean, like, Little Women?

Little Women was my Mom's favorite book. Laura Ingall Wilders Little House books were young adult read by all books.

There were Brian Jaques 'Redwall' books and The Golden Compass Trilogy that I think hit the shelves in the 80's/90's - read by adults and tweens. Neither of those were quite as popular as Harry ever got to be though.
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#61 Apr 02 2012 at 9:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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I loved the Redwall books when I was younger. They were surprisingly violent for a children's series starring anthropomorphic rodents.
#62 Apr 02 2012 at 9:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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I guess my favorite YA books were Madeline L'Engle's. A Wrinkle in Time, A Wind in the Door, A Swiftly Tilting Planet, Many Waters, An Acceptable Time. I really need to read those again.
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I knew OF Redwall but if I had seen an adult reading them I'd have probably raised an eyebrow. Never heard of Golden Compass until the movie came out.

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#64 Apr 02 2012 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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I guess my favorite YA books were Madeline L'Engle's. A Wrinkle in Time, A Wind in the Door, A Swiftly Tilting Planet, Many Waters, An Acceptable Time. I really need to read those again.
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#65 Apr 02 2012 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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I knew OF Redwall but if I had seen an adult reading them I'd have probably raised an eyebrow. Never heard of Golden Compass until the movie came out.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2012 11:05am by Jophiel

I'd read all the Golden Compass books, as an adult, and really enjoyed them. I only read one Redwall book. It was pretty mature writing iir and, yes, violent. My kid read them all. They were gateway stories to Caleb Carrs Alienist books. Smiley: tongue
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#67 Apr 02 2012 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I only read one Redwall book. It was pretty mature writing iir and, yes, violent.

It doesn't count as real violence because it's all being perpetrated by, and enacted upon, rodents.

When I think of "young adult" fantasy literature, I automatically think of David Eddings. It's a multi-movie teen phenomenon waiting to happen, although without glittery vampires performing abortions with their fangs, one has to wonder if kids nowadays will get into it.
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Finally, in the future everybody looks like Cyndi Lauper. They wear gaudy makeup, weird costumes, and appear to have turned *** en masse.


Rated up for this hilarious description. Really, I never go to see movies much anyway, especially not movies based on things I have never heard of until people get all hyped and crazy about them...

Also, loved Redwall as a kid and I would SO go see a Belgariad movie. As long as they got the casting right for Silk the movie would be awesome.

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Also have to say I am pretty sure this quote is the reason I am getting cheesy vampire google ads right now. Thanks. Of course now I've typed it... and it will be like that one time I mentioned a teeny bopper from Canada with the initials JB... I got ads about their documentary or whatever for months



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#69 Apr 02 2012 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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I only read one Redwall book. It was pretty mature writing...

Nah, it was 'ok' writing, Pretty decent 3rd~5th grade material, though.

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Haven't read the books and will probably wait to see the movie for when it comes out on cable, however I'd like to point out for the record that in the grand scheme of methods to keep vassal states/districts/whatever in line, having a random lottery to pick teens from each district to hunt each other and fight to the death for some reward is pretty far down the list of "really bad ideas". I'm sure it works in the mindset of someone trying to present a stereotypical evil authoritarian regime in the sense that they have them do evil authoritarian stuff just for the sake of being evil or something, but even the most evil authoritarians have a purpose to what they do. Imposing a system which basically ensures that the teens and young adults of the districts you're trying to keep in line will have a maximum number of well trained hunters, warriors and assassins just seems like a "you're doing it wrong" approach.

I could be wrong, of course. But historical feudal societies did use conflict between the folks they controlled to keep them in line, but they did so by political manipulation. If you decide to recognized the claim of noble X to lands currently held by noble Y, you can likely stir up anger and resentment between them and keep them hating each other more than they hate you for centuries. You can even create tourneys where you have the nobles from these areas fight it out (and probably build even more rivalry over time). But randomly picking people to fight to the death? I don't see how this makes the districts hate each other more than the folks running the show. If you allowed the districts to pick their champions, then it would work because it would build district rivalry and minimize the number of people preparing to fight. But random selection is pretty much the worst way to do this.

Not a flaw in the film IMO, but the basic premise of the books themselves. I just remember the first time someone explained to me the backstory behind the games themselves and thinking "why the **** would they do that?".
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#71 Apr 02 2012 at 8:56 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, no.

I do wish you'd read the first chapter of the first book before you set about bloviating.

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#73 Apr 02 2012 at 10:25 PM Rating: Good
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I feel the need to explain that actually like bad movies, just not ones where my expectations are elevated to think that certainly all those critics and moviegoers could possibly be wrong. But it was. This has been a cinematic version of mass hysteria, only instead of a bunch of New England high school girls coming down with a bad case of bad case of burping or Tourette's Syndrome, everyone instead is convinced that a terrible movie has some artistic merit.

Give me a bad movie where I know it's going to be bad-- but in a good way --and I'll cheerfully spend whatever sum Redbox is charging me to watch it at home. And, no, I'm not about to fork over $25.00 to watch a remake of The Three Stooges in a theater. Talk about spectacularly bad ideas in the pantheon of bad ideas... You might as well draw a Sharpie mustache on Mona Lisa for as much value it gives to make a Stooges movie. Shemp must be rolling over in his grave.

But The Hunger Games deserves special mention for the sheer audacity of attempting and then succeeding in convincing young people that they have seen a good movie. Chronicle? Good teen movie. Great movie, period. 21 Jump Street? Good movie. Particularly the cameo scene of Johnny Depp when he takes off his disguise. Excellent use of a great actor in a movie not deserving of his talent. Boy in the Striped Pajamas? Outstanding movie. But none of these got the acclaim that a poorly scripted and badly paced movie got from a largely illiterate audience.

I can appreciate that the book is likely head-and-shoulders better than the movie. But for as much adulation as it has been getting, you'd think it was the Lord of the Rings trilogy that was being made. Oh. My bad. That series of books was made into film and held true to the original plotline. See? That's how it's done. Same goes for Aliens, the best sci-fi trilogy ever made, which gives a Trayvon Martin beatdown to any three episodes of the Star Wars epic. And yes, Aliens is better than The Matrix series. Don't bother attempting to argue that one, although that trilogy was outstanding in and of itself.

I suppose the blame resides in today's "everybody's a winner" mentality. Kids playing soccer all win trophies despite no discernable skill, score isn't kept, drink boxes for all when the sugar rush ends. In the same vein, any moderately successful book must be made into a movie whereupon it is proclaimed in the manner of the NBA, the next Michael Jordan of Harry Potter stories, to mix metaphors. In the gushing reviews of the critics and screaming teenagers jumping excitedly behind the velvet rope lines shouting how this is their 8th time they've gone to see the movie and how they plan to name their firstborn Katnip, there is no sense of scale any longer.
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You're putting a lot of effort into justifying not liking a movie designed for kids about 45 years younger than you.
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#75 Apr 02 2012 at 11:09 PM Rating: Good
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I agree with everything Totem has said, and everything he will go on to say, in this thread.

This is a wise move.
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#76 Apr 03 2012 at 6:32 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I only thought I enjoyed the this movie. But Totem is right. It sucked.

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