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#302 Feb 25 2012 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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McDonald isn't a branch of the military?


















I thought it was their re-branded chemical weapons program.
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#303 Feb 25 2012 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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Is anyone else actually a little surprised that Alma was considered intelligent enough to work at McDonalds?
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#304 Feb 25 2012 at 9:17 PM Rating: Good
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Is anyone else actually a little surprised that Alma was considered intelligent enough to work at McDonalds?


No, I consider him exactly the type of person who works at McDonald's for half a decade.
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#305Almalieque, Posted: Feb 26 2012 at 12:24 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You made that statement as if it were a corporation thing. I have yet seen that deal.
#306 Feb 26 2012 at 12:32 AM Rating: Default
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I worked at McDonalds for 5ish years,
So you've been in the military for five years, and don't know anything, and you worked at McDonalds for five years and didn't learn anything there either. I'm seeing a trend.


I know that you have yet provided the AR that supports your claim.. Go ahead, I'm still waiting.. no link, no page, just the AR.
#307 Feb 26 2012 at 12:48 AM Rating: Good
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No, really, not smart enough to work at McDonalds.
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#308 Feb 26 2012 at 1:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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You DO REALIZE that people just assume that by having a taller cup that they are getting more to drink?

You are. You DO REALIZE that they cram ice into a small cup the same way they cram ice into a large cup meaning that you DO REALIZE that you'll get more soda in a large cup, right? You DO REALIZE that it's not as though they only put one ice cube in a small cup, right? You DO REALIZE that even if its 90% filled with ice, 10% of a 12oz cup is less than 10% of a 44oz cup, right?

Maybe you don't. Sorry about that. Didn't mean to make you feel bad.

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You DO REALIZE that the whole point of this derail is that self-service is more feasible because the Coke that you drink from the fountain isn't the same as the Coke that you would buy from the store?

Smiley: laugh Welcome to the point?

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You made that statement as if it were a corporation thing. I have yet seen that deal.

I'll have to take your word on that. It's like that at every McD's in the region aside from the ones in high price locations like airports and museums. Been that way for well over a year now, if not longer.
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#309 Feb 26 2012 at 4:51 AM Rating: Good
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Every place that uses soda fountains is going to encounter this issue, however. It's perfectly normal. It averages out to the right concentration, but it's a bell curve.


Is that true? I gathered one of the things fast food chains were most concerned with was making a standardized product, and it's not much of a feat of engineering to fix this simple problem.
#310 Feb 26 2012 at 4:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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You DO REALIZE that people just assume that by having a taller cup that they are getting more to drink?

You are. You DO REALIZE that they cram ice into a small cup the same way they cram ice into a large cup meaning that you DO REALIZE that you'll get more soda in a large cup, right? You DO REALIZE that it's not as though they only put one ice cube in a small cup, right? You DO REALIZE that even if its 90% filled with ice, 10% of a 12oz cup is less than 10% of a 44oz cup, right?

Maybe you don't. Sorry about that. Didn't mean to make you feel bad.

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You DO REALIZE that the whole point of this derail is that self-service is more feasible because the Coke that you drink from the fountain isn't the same as the Coke that you would buy from the store?

Smiley: laugh Welcome to the point?

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You made that statement as if it were a corporation thing. I have yet seen that deal.

I'll have to take your word on that. It's like that at every McD's in the region aside from the ones in high price locations like airports and museums. Been that way for well over a year now, if not longer.
You DO REALIZE that you are arguing with alma, where 'points' exist on the same level as unicorns and Godzilla?
#311 Feb 26 2012 at 5:35 AM Rating: Good
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Almalieque wrote:
You made that statement as if it were a corporation thing. I have yet seen that deal.
To the best of my knowledge, it's nationwide here, when it happens. It's a summertime deal.
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You DO REALIZE that you are arguing with alma, where 'points' exist on the same level as unicorns and Godzilla?

Touché, Monsieur Pussycat
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#313 Feb 26 2012 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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Every place that uses soda fountains is going to encounter this issue, however. It's perfectly normal. It averages out to the right concentration, but it's a bell curve.


Is that true? I gathered one of the things fast food chains were most concerned with was making a standardized product, and it's not much of a feat of engineering to fix this simple problem.


I don't think it's an engineering thing, it's a cost one. I'm betting business owners are supposed to switch in a new bag when it hits 25% or so. I'm doubting many do it, since there's no way to transfer that product to the new bag. Switching it when they should would greatly reduce the variability. The most noticeable affect is when it tastes super watered down. Specifically because you DO add ice, having the perfect soda concentration doesn't matter too much--as the additional liquid is added, the product would change anyway.

The only places that use the old systems are ones that have had their systems for a long time, so not McDonalds. But you can see them in old mom and pop shops. But the pump system only reduced the problem didn't eliminate it. 8 flavor fountains seem to be about 4k. Big chains could afford to put that down to upgrade their machines, smaller places maybe not.
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#314Almalieque, Posted: Feb 26 2012 at 9:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I have been in and out of the U.S sine 2006, but I've never seen it in Memphis, Jacksonville, Augusta, Austin, Manila, Seoul, Beijing, Tokyo, Frankfurt or any McDonald's in route to any of those locations. However, I did see that deal for Jack in the Box. The dollar menu has always only included the small drink.
#315 Feb 26 2012 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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You DO REALIZE that the fountains are calibrated to dispense a certain amount of a drink? You DO REALIZE that if you were to hit the "Large" button, it would exactly fill up a small cup? That may not be the normal, but it was for the one I worked at.


And how much does the "small" button fill it?

Thanks for proving Joph's point.
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A taller thin glass doesn't necessarily have a larger volume than a smaller wide glass

Yeah, but a 44oz cup holds more volume than a 12oz cup. 32oz more volume to be exact. That would be, in fact, the reason why they're labeled in ounces capacity and not with vague descriptors such as "Tall & Thin" and "Short & Wide".

SCIENCE!

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You DO REALIZE that if you were to hit the "Large" button, it would exactly fill up a small cup? That may not be the normal, but it was for the one I worked at.

Assuming you mean with an equal proportion of ice in each cup, either the store you worked at existed in bizarro world, you're lying or you paid zero attention. I don't believe in alternate dimensions so I'm guessing a little from Column B and a little from Column C. If they didn't have you put an equal proportion of ice in each size cup, either you or your manager was mentally retarded. Both plausible possibilities but if I was a gambling man, my money wouldn't be on a retarded manager.

Again, you're not the only person with esteemed McD's experience.

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The BIB system ensures almost no waste. If one place has a watered down taste that another doesn't, it's because one store has decided to run a thinner mix and has purposefully diluted their syrup to increase profit.
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#318 Feb 26 2012 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've never worked in fast food, but I've worked in several restaurants, bars, clubs, hotels, etc. And they all use the same box and CO2 mixture dealie. And the restaurant is under contract with Coke, Pepsi, whatever. And Coke/Pepsi comes to the business and calibrates the soda. I'm not saying that someone at the restaurant can't go behind this guy and try to "water it down", but I don't ever remember seeing that happen.

Also, you leave the boxes hooked up until they're totally dry and the stupid pump starts going insane trying to get the last of the syrup out (I'm sure a lot of you have heard some "wheezing" from behind the scenes when you're told that the Coke just ran out, they're changing it now). There's no way to open those bags up and put any leftover into another one.
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The BIB system ensures almost no waste. If one place has a watered down taste that another doesn't, it's because one store has decided to run a thinner mix and has purposefully diluted their syrup to increase profit.


This.

ALSO: Every restaurant I ever worked at that used the BiB system was hooked to a regulator system that kept the syrup under a constant pressure to ensure a consistent product.

How did you (Alma) manage to get a "bell curve" - or for that matter, any variation - from your BiBs?
Did you hang them from the ceiling like IV bags and let them drip into the soda machines?
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Jophiel wrote:
Yeah, but a 44oz cup holds more volume than a 12oz cup. 32oz more volume to be exact. That would be, in fact, the reason why they're labeled in ounces capacity and not with vague descriptors such as "Tall & Thin" and "Short & Wide".

SCIENCE!


Ok, let me break it down for you..

Since people automatically assume that "taller" is always "more", they don't realize that they can get the same amount of coke in a 12 oz without ice as they can with a 44 oz with ice. When you look at the two cups side by side, it isn't palpable. It's really not a hard concept to understand.

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Assuming you mean with an equal proportion of ice in each cup, either the store you worked at existed in bizarro world, you're lying or you paid zero attention. I don't believe in alternate dimensions so I'm guessing a little from Column B and a little from Column C. If they didn't have you put an equal proportion of ice in each size cup, either you or your manager was mentally retarded. Both plausible possibilities but if I was a gambling man, my money wouldn't be on a retarded manager.


You hit the button and then you fill the rest of the cup with ice. Did everyone get the same amount of ice? No. But they all got the same amount of coke. No one pays that close attention to notice that they got less ice than before. It's not that hard to understand.

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Again, you're not the only person with esteemed McD's experience.


Again, I'm not sure why you are even thinking that I'm even pretending that I am. It's a freakin fast food restaurant. It's where MANY teenagers work! Even if it weren't McD's, the concept is the same in other burger joints. You're trying to do a "lolGaxe" and hide behind an irrelevant derail.
#321 Feb 26 2012 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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That was me. I've worked two places with the box systems, and there was a noticeable difference between 25% and 100%. Could just be that neither system was set up properly. For all I know, they just left out the regulator for whatever reason (which would be stupid, since a google search tells me they are cheap).
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#322 Feb 26 2012 at 11:57 AM Rating: Default
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The BIB system ensures almost no waste. If one place has a watered down taste that another doesn't, it's because one store has decided to run a thinner mix and has purposefully diluted their syrup to increase profit.


This.

ALSO: Every restaurant I ever worked at that used the BiB system was hooked to a regulator system that kept the syrup under a constant pressure to ensure a consistent product.

How did you (Alma) manage to get a "bell curve" - or for that matter, any variation - from your BiBs?
Did you hang them from the ceiling like IV bags and let them drip into the soda machines?


I wasn't being that literal. I made a broad statement in reference to the coke being sold there isn't the same coke that you would buy at a store in order to save money.

No reference to you, but I find it funny that when other people say broad statements on national hot topic debates involving civil rights, I get the "You know what I mean". However, when I say a similar type of statement on something almost completely irrelevant to anyone, it gets dissected into literacy.Smiley: rolleyes
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Since people automatically assume that "taller" is always "more", they don't realize that they can get the same amount of coke in a 12 oz without ice as they can with a 44 oz with ice. When you look at the two cups side by side, it isn't palpable. It's really not a hard concept to understand.

Except the cups are, in fact, designed to hold increasing ounces of soda. That's an even less difficult concept and here you are stumbling all over with it apparently confused as hell.

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You hit the button and then you fill the rest of the cup with ice.

You dumped your ice in AFTER putting soda in the cup? I guess you were retarded. Have fun with soda all over your hands Smiley: laugh

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Again, I'm not sure why you are even thinking that I'm even pretending that I am.

For some reason you seem to think you can give ***-stupid accounts of how things are done there and people will blindly believe you, all common sense to the contrary.
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Ok, let me break it down for you..

Since people automatically assume that "taller" is always "more", they don't realize that they can get the same amount of coke in a 12 oz without ice as they can with a 44 oz with ice. When you look at the two cups side by side, it isn't palpable. It's really not a hard concept to understand.


Comparisons however are a hard concept for you to understand. If I didn't want Ice why would I get it in my 44oz cup?
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#325 Feb 26 2012 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
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I almost never get soda on the rare occasion I eat fast food. But when I used to, I'd always ask for no ice. Not because I wanted more soda, but because I'm generally a "sipper" and the ice would all have long melted by the time I finish the beverage.

Very rarely did I get a full cup of soda. I got the normal amount of soda with a lot more room in my cup, as the ice wasn't adding volume. Which I'm fine with.

Just putting that out there. It's not like getting no ice automatically means you'll get a full cup of soda.
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What does "dissected into literacy" mean? Because if it were possible, I think we'd all be happy to help with that.

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