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#1077 Apr 04 2012 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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So Obama was wrong when he said that we're already paying for this care anyway via emergency room costs, so there's no reason not to pay for it ahead of time via mandated insurance? Strange that I don't recall any of you making that point back then. Hmmmm....


Well, if someone has high blood pressure but can't afford the diagnostic visit or the medication and ends up having a heart attack and going to the emergency room over it, then yes, we're still paying for it.


Then they're covered, right?

As long as you don't mind paying for it, then we're cool.
#1078 Apr 04 2012 at 6:01 PM Rating: Excellent
Wouldn't it be better to get someone on high blood pressure medication before it turns into a heart attack?

Heart attack: $10,000 ER visit at minimum, likely to be revisited since they now have an existing condition and would be denied private insurance even if they could afford it.

High blood pressure medication: $300 a year now that lipitor has generics out.

The existing system is inadequate because we spend far too much money treating diseases instead of focusing on preventing them in the first place.

Edited, Apr 4th 2012 8:01pm by catwho
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#1080 Apr 04 2012 at 7:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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While it seems harsh at first glance the free market method automatically ensures that those who receive the life saving/extending health care are those who are most valuable to society. And that value is not based on some arbitrary determination. It's based on the value placed on the labor of that person as judged independently and individually by other people who themselves are seeking the greatest value in return for their own labors. There is no better way to make that determination.
Right, and the point is that most people don't think that this should be the basis for who gets health care. The determination is an unnecessary one.

Edited, Apr 4th 2012 8:26pm by Xsarus
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#1081 Apr 04 2012 at 7:49 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah He is beyond ******* stupid now. I really hope more wing nuts like start spouting this nonsense. I bet if he got sick and lost his job tomorrow he would be singing a different tune.
#1082 Apr 05 2012 at 1:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sometimes when I read these threads about healthcare in America I honestly start feeling sick that a whole nation of people has got itself stuck with this situation. It's like reading about appalling humanitarian crises in third world countries. Like reading about a mass of people suffering horribly, and knowing that I can't do anything meaningful to alleviate their suffering.

I'm really, really sorry for you guys. I really am.

Nadenue, Bijou... I've just started crying. That's so unfair for you.

Edited, Apr 5th 2012 3:25am by Aripyanfar
#1083 Apr 05 2012 at 2:25 AM Rating: Good
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While it seems harsh at first glance the free market method automatically ensures that those who receive the life saving/extending health care are those who are most valuable to society. And that value is not based on some arbitrary determination. It's based on the value placed on the labor of that person as judged independently and individually by other people who themselves are seeking the greatest value in return for their own labors. There is no better way to make that determination.


"Hey, that person's sick, lets get him some help"?
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#1084 Apr 05 2012 at 2:37 AM Rating: Good
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"Hey, that person's sick, lets get him some help"?
Utter nonsense of course. That would cost money!
#1085 Apr 05 2012 at 5:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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I was in the midst of typing something snarky but, honestly, if I truly believed that the majority of conservatives (or even Republicans) felt that "a person's value as a human being is determined by the capitalist free market and if you were worth a procedure, you'd already have it", I'd have to move out of the country. Instead I'll be content to let my opinion of Gbaji sink that much lower.
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#1086 Apr 05 2012 at 5:39 AM Rating: Good
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News At Nine! Gbaji is a white-collar sociophath!
#1087 Apr 05 2012 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
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High blood pressure medication: $300 a year now that lipitor has generics out.


One correction Liptor is for high cholesterol not blood pressure.

As someone who has several chronic medical conditions gbaji has no idea how better it can be to have government supplied health coverage over private insurance even when it was through an GS position.

Medicaid has made sure I don't develop complications due to HBP or Cholesterol as well as make sure I don't go into deep depression or suffer from unbearable pain every day.
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#1088 Apr 05 2012 at 7:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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News At Nine! Gbaji is a white-collar sociophath!
He's no Patrick Bateman.
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#1089 Apr 05 2012 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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News At Nine! [link=http://media.************************************************************************* is a white-collar sociophath!
He's no Patrick Bateman.

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#1091 Apr 05 2012 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:

While it seems harsh at first glance the free market method automatically ensures that those who receive the life saving/extending health care are those who are most valuable to society. And that value is not based on some arbitrary determination. It's based on the value placed on the labor of that person as judged independently and individually by other people who themselves are seeking the greatest value in return for their own labors. There is no better way to make that determination.


I'm without words for the moment, and there isn't a smiley that can adequately relate my feelings on this.
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#1092 Apr 05 2012 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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AAAAAA so much yellow
I was more appalled at all the weapon pieces strewn about the room. Smiley: frown
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#1093 Apr 05 2012 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, hadn't you noticed? Deep down, conservatives rate the virtue of a person based on his income. No such thing as the virtuous poor. Or a virtuous man who can't afford health insurance. If they were virtuous, they all COULD afford health insurance. No such thing as circumstance, luck, context. If you're virtuous, you're willing to work hard. And if you're willing to work hard, then in all circumstances you WILL be able to work, and you WILL be rewarded concomitantly to your willingness to work.
#1094 Apr 05 2012 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
While it seems harsh at first glance the free market method automatically ensures that those who receive the life saving/extending health care are those who are most valuable to society. And that value is not based on some arbitrary determination. It's based on the value placed on the labor of that person as judged independently and individually by other people who themselves are seeking the greatest value in return for their own labors. There is no better way to make that determination.


I don't know why I'm surprised, but I really can't believe that he just put that down in writing.
#1095 Apr 05 2012 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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So, the only people that deserve health care are farmers, construction workers and possibly tailors? Since all we really need is food, shelter and clothing? Gbaji, we don't need IT techs. No more insurance for you.
#1096 Apr 05 2012 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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Don't forget air and water! So, like EPA guys and plumbers.
#1097 Apr 05 2012 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, hadn't you noticed? Deep down, conservatives rate the virtue of a person based on his income. No such thing as the virtuous poor. Or a virtuous man who can't afford health insurance. If they were virtuous, they all COULD afford health insurance. No such thing as circumstance, luck, context. If you're virtuous, you're willing to work hard. And if you're willing to work hard, then in all circumstances you WILL be able to work, and you WILL be rewarded concomitantly to your willingness to work.


Yeah, I just don't know what to say. I mean I consider my own upbringing rather conservative. I mean farm, small town religious schooling and stuff. There was plenty of a "hard work" mantra being repeated and looked up to. Still though, that 'compassionate christian' side would kick in these circumstances and over-ride all that. Part of being a good community, good friend, good christian, or whatever was making sure everyone was taken care of to the best of your abilities. No one was unworthy of your compassion, you gave people a hand when they were down on their luck, etc. Pursuit of money being the root of all evil or something.

Just doesn't strike me as the 'conservative values' that I thought I knew.

Edited, Apr 5th 2012 9:52am by someproteinguy
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#1098 Apr 05 2012 at 10:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've been reading a lot lately from fiscal conservatives like John Avalon and David Frum. I try to remind myself that not everyone thinks like Gbaji.
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#1099 Apr 05 2012 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Oh, hadn't you noticed? Deep down, conservatives rate the virtue of a person based on his income. No such thing as the virtuous poor. Or a virtuous man who can't afford health insurance. If they were virtuous, they all COULD afford health insurance. No such thing as circumstance, luck, context. If you're virtuous, you're willing to work hard. And if you're willing to work hard, then in all circumstances you WILL be able to work, and you WILL be rewarded concomitantly to your willingness to work.
I'm not seeing the issue here.
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#1100 Apr 05 2012 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, hadn't you noticed? Deep down, conservatives rate the virtue of a person based on his income. No such thing as the virtuous poor. Or a virtuous man who can't afford health insurance. If they were virtuous, they all COULD afford health insurance. No such thing as circumstance, luck, context. If you're virtuous, you're willing to work hard. And if you're willing to work hard, then in all circumstances you WILL be able to work, and you WILL be rewarded concomitantly to your willingness to work.
I'm not seeing the issue here.
Sassy, you're smarter than this. look at the phrases that are sarcastic here.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Oh, hadn't you noticed? Deep down, conservatives rate the virtue of a person based on his income. No such thing as the virtuous poor. Or a virtuous man who can't afford health insurance. If they were virtuous, they all COULD afford health insurance. No such thing as circumstance, luck, context. If you're virtuous, you're willing to work hard. And if you're willing to work hard, then in all circumstances you WILL be able to work, and you WILL be rewarded concomitantly to your willingness to work.
I'm not seeing the issue here.
Sassy, you're smarter than this. look at the phrases that are sarcastic here.
Oh, I see your sarcasm, but I actually do hold that view as my initial reaction to everyone. Guilty first. Prove thy innocence.


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