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No it wasn't. Wicca in its modern form is only about 60 years old, I'll give you that. But its based off of the nature based pagan religions passed down from generation to generation in the UK. Gardner, the "father" of Wicca, learned everything from a group of pagans who had been practicing for generations.

So there.

I've got something based off water, but I wouldn't drink it.

(It's paint).

Figuratively or literally?

Pffttt... if you were supposed to like religion, you wouldn't need to beat people with sticks until they sign on.

Thats how you spell it. Thank you good sir you may have just helped complete the left side of this crossword.

If that's the case, you should probably rethink interacting with people.

I liked your paint post Kavekk, just not enough to rate you up for it.

I decided when I was 14 (I'm 34 now) that Celtic Magic and Faerie Wicca was the way to go which then led to what I referred to as a "reawakening" of my Druidic nature.. I still will not deny that the things that I have seen in a supernatural light were real and not hallucinations or delusions.. and I do not believe that all spirits are evil demons like many Christian. I was a Celtic-Shaman; I learned from spirits and guides of the sort that Maybe you can imagine; maybe you can't. I have attended covens; circles; (the biggest one in Salem Mass); I have channeled entities, I have conversed, lived with and seen fairies (real fey; not Elizabethan dolls), I have been paid as an oracle reading runes for hundreds of people, gave past life readings, teach people energy-working, aura-bending, I learned angelic languages from The Enochian teachings and of the ORder of the Golden Dawn, I have looked into the abyss and seen the abyss look back...

But in ALL of that the question still lingered always.. WHAT is the POint? Why?
The only thing that I would say that I didn't and couldn't know for sure; Was if everything is a endless Cycle or if there was an actual End/Oblivion/Nirvana.. I could not say...
I always believed in a Terminal Source of all Things and this Ultimate Source I knew was beyond anything that I could ever know.. beyond words, ego, beyond any petty good and evil, beyond masculine and feminine..
That is why I could never really truly get with Wicca.. because Wicca celebrated the archetypal Mother and Father God and Goddesses and I knew that the Truth was even beyond that..
My problem came when I would meditate still on the Purpose... If the Source had a purpose.. then why did I do prayer and spell-work to change things? Why did I not trust in the Source to provide everything? I rationalized this by saying that by participating and adding my personal energy into the world that I was harmonizing myself to the world and to the Universe.. and I ALWAY rejected any religion that tried to pinpoint an actual Rule or claimed to come from Humans.. I felt that it could ONLY come from something that I myself had experienced from my Pathworking and meditations.. the whole time ignoring that I myself was a creature of the flesh and limited and that in this state any power that I have will always be dwarfed by something larger than myself..
I started realizing that even with a million Dreamtime experiences and no matter how powerfully I could meditate on my higher, eternal "God-Self" that there still could be no complete and sure point to any of it.. that I still did not create the universe.. It Became obvious to me that something ELSE is actually in Total control of the Ocean and that was simply splashing around in my Own pond and that ONE day.. perhaps..that "Something" may decide to pull the plug on the drain of that Ocean.. and no matter HOW well I can teach myself to swim.. even if I grew fins and learned to breath underwater.. that it is impossible to stand up against the Will of the Universe.. Impossible.

Anyway. If you are completely happy then you are happy.. but understand that no matter how much you meditate.. no matter how many times you dance under the stars and no matter how many spirit friend you make.. you are still a created being. You did not create yourself. All spirits are created being and all spirits whether in the flesh or out of the flesh will be held accountable and all will be found wanting if they reject what is right in front of their face because they want to take the place of the creator and usurp the authority of The Source.

Dangerous ground.





I understand that you want it your way in every way. That's the human way; and we are all very selfish in that way..
but haven't you ever wondered IF there MAY be an actual wrong way? It's There is up there's down, there's down; there's left there's right, there's dark, there's light.. but ALL OF A SUDDEN when if comes to possibly offending somebody we just conveniently ignore that there MAY be correct and incorrect. If the logic center of your mind doesn't recoil in horror at this neglect of such a simple concept then you are completely in denial; this surpass any religious motive... It only makes sense




Why do you think that YOU get to decide the standard for right and wrong? Did YOU create the Universe?



Come ON; RIght; because only the Hebrews in Christians have treated women unfairly throughout history.. Give me a BREAK.
I will not deny that women have always been treated unfairly; but not as unfairly as anything else; Women and minorities etc don't get treated unfairly (per se) because of religion.. they are treated unfairly out of ignorance, pride, and greed.



This was another problem I had with Wicca. As a Druid (and yes I still consider myself a Druid in trying to keep those around me in proper touch and balance with the other world: it's what we do and it's all we do; everything else is a distraction) but as a Druid I knew that by observing and experiencing the energy of nature that to simply assume that whatever you do will always "harm none" is an illusion. We have no control over who we harm; we can try very much but it is impossible and it is against every law of the universe.. You cannot ignore the forces of destruction and only pay creed to creative forces.. it is an imbalance and it is dangerous.



You are asking me to go against my nature as a shaman and a druid. Shame on you.
Ask anyone here that has known me; this IS what I do and it is ALL that I do; everything else is trivia.

Do ya'll think that I am unaware of how much of an narrow-mind d;ckhead I sound to you right now? I know and I used to give the same argument against what I am saying here against organized religion.. I STILL think organized religion is the wrong way to go.. but most people in the world are not strong enough not to join a club.. it is in our social nature.
That is the thing about Christianity though.. you do NOT have to have some vast understanding of the universe.. you do not have to be in tuned with the patterns and energies of the earth... you do not have to meditate.. you only have to believe and be saved and accept perfect eternal infinite salvation. You do not have to be able to comprehend the Source of All Creation.. only The Anointed One who is The Source incarnated on the earth. It is the only path in the end.

SO whatever.. mock me, rate me into oblivion; does it matter to me that most of you will probably ignore these words and gloss over all of this and scoff at your screens and use me as the object of your scorn? Not really; but I really think that it matters to you..
..and I enjoy writing these walls-o-text because it helps me keep it straight to myself as well.. So whether or not no one ever accepts anything that I say here or if everyone rejects it.. either way; I know I have done my job and I am happy doing it.

Shalom

Edited, Dec 16th 2011 6:10pm by Kelvyquayo

I whipped something at someone riding around with a bow and arrow, once. Then, I took an arrow to the knee.

As I writhed in agony on the cold, muddy ground, he kindly informed me that I was doing it wrong.

I don't know anything about Faerie Wicca, so I can't comment on that. I've been taught British Traditional Wicca, which is an offshoot of Gardnerian Wicca. I agree that I didn't create myself. The idea that someone can create theirself is pretty ludicrous to me. Even an atheist can look at rational science and say that their parents created them. I have no desire to usurp the authority of the Lord and Lady, I simply wish for them to guide me to the path they want me to take.



As I said, I believe that every religion is worshiping the same deity, they just have different ways of going about it. If everyone is worshiping the same deity, then nobody is wrong. I don't want things my way in every way. Getting uncomfortable occasionally is what makes life exciting.



Um, because I am a sentient being capable of rational thought? There is no one morality. Sure, there are a few things that are black and white always wrong, but the vast majority of the time, things are black and white. Why does a being have to be the Creator to decide what is right and wrong for themselves? I don't decide what is right or wrong for other people, I decide what is right or wrong for myself.



I never said that only the Hebrews and Christians have treated women unfairly. Muslims have been just as guilty, but the Koran is not part of the bible, which is why I didn't think to mention it. Women haven't always been treated unfairly, only since the invent of agriculture and the idea of "property" was invented.



The Wiccan Rede isn't supposed to be taken literally. Obviously, there are times when people act with good intentions and cause harm to others. The point is to try to live your life with the INTENT of not harming others, and to think about how your actions affect others. To try and minimize the negative effects of our existence on the planet.

Christianity = dumb
Channeling entities, seeing faeries, getting PAID(@#%^ing scam artist) to read runes! = Beyond useless.

Just to clarify. I don't mind admitting that I hate religion in general. But ************* that take peoples money to preform tarot readings, runes, palmistry, etc. etc. those people need to be shot with there own ****!

Edited, Dec 16th 2011 7:21pm by Peimei