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#1 Aug 12 2011 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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Not sure if Al Jazeera's has this under news or opinion, but the article is an interesting look at how a So Called Right Wing Christian group is trying to gain control of the government.
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Prior to 9/11, the Taliban government in Afghanistan did not register very much on American radar screens, with one notable exception: when it blew up two colossal images of the Buddha in Bamiyan province in early 2001. But destruction of treasured artifacts isn't just limited to the Taliban.

There's a right-wing politico-religious presence centred in the US, but with a global reach, engaging in similar practises, destroying religious and cultural artifacts as a key aspect of its ideology of "strategic level spiritual warfare" (SLSW).

Until recently a fringe evangelical movement, warned against as deviant, "spiritual warfare" is rapidly positioning itself within America's mainstream political right. It's well past time for political journalists to start covering what this movement is up to.

As an example, leaders have bragged online about the destruction of Native American religious artifacts, which their twisted ideology somehow sees as a liberating act, promoting "reconciliation" between estranged groups of people. Critics, however, see it as reflecting an eliminationist mindset, while traditional conservative evangelicals have denounced the ideology as un-biblical. Some even claim it is actually a form of pagan practice dressed up in Christian clothes, according such artifacts a spiritual power that the Bible itself denies.

The ultimate goal is to replace secular democracy, both in America and around the world, with a Christian theocracy, an ideology known as "dominionism". The supposed purpose is to "purify" the world for Christ's return - again, strikingly similar to what the Taliban believe, but also significantly at odds with more common, long-standing Christian beliefs about the "end times", as well as the nature and purpose of prayer, and the roles of human and divine power.

This description might seem utterly fantastical, but copious evidence for it is hidden in plain sight, scattered across the internet, in books, on YouTube, and tracked by a small community of researchers at sites such as Talk2Action.org and RightWingWatch.org, as well as by evangelical critics. The question is: When will America's mainstream media catch up?

The missed story in the 2008 campaign

Known as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), a term coined by its intellectual godfather, C Peter Wagner, this movement surfaced in the 2008 campaign, with video of one of its most prominent practitioners, Kenyan witch-hunter Thomas Muthee, anointing Sarah Palin - but the mainstream media largely missed the real story on a number of counts.

They generally failed to realise that Muthee was part of a Western-based movement, indeed, he starred in the first "Transformations" video, a pseudo-documentary series advancing SLSW, advertised as having been seen by 200 million people in 70 languages.

Media also overlooked clear evidence that Palin herself was part of an Alaskan group involved in SLSW, dating back to when she was just 24 years old. More basically, media failed to grasp the radical nature of NAR, and its departure from earlier evangelical practice. This is so new that many academic experts haven't caught up with it.

Additionally, many in the media relied on Charisma magazine for guidance - a publication deeply aligned with the NAR. Add this to the media's general skittishness when accused of bias by Palin and her supporters, and the result was a perfect storm of story suppression, much of it seemingly quite reasonable.

A rare exception, which did not occur until very late in the campaign, was Laurie Goodstein's October 24 story in the New York Times, "YouTube Videos Draw Attention to Palin's Faith", which did discuss spiritual warfare and Palin's involvement, but barely brushed against the underlying agenda of dominionism and its more troubling implications.

The story this time

This election cycle, the media will have another chance to get the story right. The NAR has made great strides since 2008, and already, NAR figures are deeply involved in organising for Texas Governor Rick Perry's August 6 prayer meeting, "The Response".

On July 12, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow did a segment highlighting some of their more bizarre claims in a series of video clips. These included Wagner saying that the Japanese stock market collapsed because the emperor had *** with a demon (the sun goddess), another leading NAR figure, John Benefiel, calling the Statue of Liberty "a demonic idol", and a third figure, Mike Bickle, calling Oprah Winfrey "a forerunner to the Harlot movement", or, as Maddow put it, a "harbinger of the antichrist".

But these aren't just a collection of random bizarre claims. As researcher Rachel Tabachnick - who's been studying NAR since 2008 - wrote the day after: "These video clips should receive much more national exposure, but they need to be viewed in context of the movement they represent."


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Paul Rosenberg is the Senior Editor of Random Lengths News, a bi-weekly alternative community newsletter.

The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily represent Al Jazeera's editorial policy.


Scary if this can be actually shown to be behind Rick Perry and Palin's reasons to step into the Republican field for President.
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> ctrl+F
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> Phrase not found


Color me surprised.
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#3 Aug 12 2011 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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The URL has the word "opinion" in it so.... I'm guessing "opinion".
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#4 Aug 12 2011 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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Color me surprised.


You have click on the link to see how they are against Mormons and Roman Catholics. The article also try to show a link to the SLSW to pagan rituals it is trying to work against. Such as seeing Satan work everywhere in Secular America.

Edited, Aug 12th 2011 10:38am by ElneClare
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The URL has the word "opinion" in it so.... I'm guessing "opinion".
Also "facebook."
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You have click on the link to see how they are against Mormons and Roman Catholics.
Sure, how they're against them. I kind of expected if we're going to grow our own homegrown Taliban, it'd be the Mormons to snap first. Maybe the Amish, but I can't see them being much of a threat in their current state.
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] the Amish, but I can't see them being much of a threat in their current state.

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That's the equivalent of firing a shotgun at your own head and missing.
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well to be fair its more proof then you usually provide. Even if its just an opinion.
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That it? That all you got? LMAO....getting worried you're going to have to start taking care of yourself without govn funding aren't you?

Obama is single handidly destroying the US economy and he's got top advisors out there telling people like you that increasing unemployment will create 1 million jobs to jackas*es like you and you think some obscure association Palin might have had years ago means anything? H*ll Obama refuses to prosecute the black panthers as they scare off voters. Not to mention the mounting evidence that the deaths of the navy seals might have been an inside job.

or we could just talk about the numerous race riots that are occuring all over the country that Obama has yet to speak about.

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I read the quoted section in the OP and honestly have no idea what he saying. The best I could get is that right-wingers are part of a shadowy organization that seeks to cripple other religions by destroying their holy artifacts, and the only example of this was a super vague one about "leaders" bragging about the destruction of "Native American" artifacts. No specifics, and no word of what this group is actually doing. If it's as simple as "they dislike other religious views," well, no kidding?

If I missed the point, please let me know. This guy just sounds like a conspiracy nut.

Edited, Aug 12th 2011 11:50am by LockeColeMA
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So, Al Jazeera has a story, granted an opinion piece, about evil Christians? The largest news organization in the Muslim world has a piece accusing Christians of pushing for a Jesus-led one world order? What would that be, not a caliphate, maybe a Pope-ifate? Nah, too many protestants.

Well, ***** it, I can't be ****** Seriously, elne, make better use of your time. It's on my nickel, at least use it for good. Perfect a new ***** design, or something.
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So, Al Jazeera has a story, granted an opinion piece, about evil Christians? The largest news organization in the Muslim world has a piece accusing Christians of pushing for a Jesus-led one world order? What would that be, not a caliphate, maybe a Pope-ifate? Nah, too many protestants.

Well, ***** it, I can't be ****** Seriously, elne, make better use of your time. It's on my nickel, at least use it for good. Perfect a new ***** design, or something.


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Looks like Varus is one of them. Any one else not surprised?
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#15 Aug 12 2011 at 8:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm with Locke on this one; the article was suspiciously vague and fear-monger-y. Smiley: tinfoilhat
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Smiley: tinfoilhat

Is that the turban of the American Taliban? Smiley: dubious
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Smiley: tinfoilhat

Is that the turban of the American Taliban? Smiley: dubious

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Smiley: tinfoilhat

Is that the turban of the American Taliban? Smiley: dubious


The American Taliban doesn't want to use cloth that is created by some foreigner in a sweatshop. They support American manufacturing by buying only American made Reynold's wrap to create their headpieces. It's not a turban, it's an American Jesus Hat.
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varusword75 wrote:
Not to mention the mounting evidence that the deaths of the navy seals might have been an inside job.

Evidence? Really? I'd like to see it.
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#20 Aug 13 2011 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
I thought this thread was going to be about Canada.
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