It was more of a direct "attack" on the people in this forum who started screaming "OMG He can only mean invasion!! How wrong!! How little he knows!!" when Obama made those remarks back in 2007.
If those people happened to be primarily Republican, then I guess it's mainly Republicans now trying to scramble and cover for themselves instead of just admitting that they were wrong.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but we did, in fact, invade Pakistan. We left shortly there after, but it was an invasion.
MoebiusLord wrote:
but it was an invasion.
In the same sense as Gbaji's "If you pick an apple instead of grapes, it's discrimination!" argument, I guess.
What occurred was not what anyone commonly refers to as an "invasion" regardless of technical accuracy.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Anyone else seen the new pictures of the helicopter tail they have been showing? Turns out it was a highly classified "stealth" low radar low noise helicopter that was half RAH-66 Comanche, half Blackhawk.
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Highly suspect, Kao. Needs to be further vetted for accuracy. The word we got here in the 'Stan was that it was a CH-47 that went down.
gbaji wrote:
Are you honestly suggesting that you didn't post that statement as a contrast to Republicans? You didn't mean "Good thing we elected Obama, because he promised to do this sort of attack and the Republican's were against it!"? Cause that sure seemed to be your intent to me.
Not speaking for Joph here, but my point of view is that many people on the right were vocal about, shall we say, doubting that Obama would use the military in this way. Those are the guys who are now saying that, for example, the President deserves no credit for the operation, that it was purely military and he had nothing to do with it.
As for helicopters, I can't believe those things EVER stay up.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
The other 2008 general election candidate for president, John McCain, stated on several occasions that he would not send Special Ops into Pakistan to get bin Laden without Pakistan's permission, even if he knew exactly where bin Laden was.
One can sit now and say "Well, he would have!" except there's absolutely no evidence to support this.
One can sit now and say "Well, he would have!" except there's absolutely no evidence to support this.
CNN 2007 wrote:
"Sen. John McCain condemned Mike Huckabee Monday for saying that, as president, he would strike at terrorists inside Pakistan's borders with or without permission from the country's leadership... Sen. Barack Obama made similar comments about Pakistan in August, which McCain criticized at the time as irresponsible, as did several of Obama's Democratic rivals."
Political wire wrote:
In July 2008, Larry King asked Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), "If you were president and knew that bin Laden was in Pakistan, you know where, would you have U.S. forces go in after him?"
McCain said he would not.
"Larry, I'm not going to go there and here's why: because Pakistan is a sovereign nation."
McCain said he would not.
"Larry, I'm not going to go there and here's why: because Pakistan is a sovereign nation."
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I think in this case any protest Pakistan could possibly give over the "invasion" is drowned out by the fact he was living in the suburbs of a major city, chilling less than a mile away from the military academy.
US: If you guys have him, we're gonna take him.
Pakistan: We don't know where he is. We'll help you look.
US: (figures out where he is, says NOTHING)
Pakistan: Nope, no bin Laden here. (Looks under the nearest tribal mountain) Damn he's good!
US: Uh, we found him. *YOINK* Dude, he was in your living room.
Pakistan: Oh my! Uhhhh however did he get in there! *whistles innocently*
US: Yeah, whatever. Thanks for your lack of help here guys.
US: If you guys have him, we're gonna take him.
Pakistan: We don't know where he is. We'll help you look.
US: (figures out where he is, says NOTHING)
Pakistan: Nope, no bin Laden here. (Looks under the nearest tribal mountain) Damn he's good!
US: Uh, we found him. *YOINK* Dude, he was in your living room.
Pakistan: Oh my! Uhhhh however did he get in there! *whistles innocently*
US: Yeah, whatever. Thanks for your lack of help here guys.
Clinton was wrong too. Did you think it would bother me to say that? But I didn't support her in the primary and she wasn't a general election candidate.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
varusword75 wrote:
Yet you defended Clintons inaction.
lolwut?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,
That's kind of how I feel trying to decide which of the 4 stories that has been put by the administration is accurate.
Did you see the staged photo of their reaction?
Quote:
lolwut?
That's kind of how I feel trying to decide which of the 4 stories that has been put by the administration is accurate.
Did you see the staged photo of their reaction?
I didn't see that, those bastards! Link?
Can't we all just agree that the world is a better place without Usama in it?
Let's have a smoke, lean back, & enjoy the afterglow of this fantastically executed (-minus one very expensive chopper) military action.
Let's have a smoke, lean back, & enjoy the afterglow of this fantastically executed (-minus one very expensive chopper) military action.
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varusword75 wrote:
That's kind of how I feel trying to decide which of the 4 stories that has been put by the administration is accurate.
I was more surprised that anyone would seize upon reports in the first hours after a military event and assume that they're accurate.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
varusword75 wrote:
Jophed,
That's kind of how I feel trying to decide which of the 4 stories that has been put by the administration is accurate.
Did you see the staged photo of their reaction?
Quote:
lolwut?
That's kind of how I feel trying to decide which of the 4 stories that has been put by the administration is accurate.
Did you see the staged photo of their reaction?
If it was staged, Obama would have been in front of the computer, any computer. He was not in front of a computer at all. Instead, he was just sort of sitting off to the side looking like he needed a stiff drink.
catwho wrote:
Instead, he was just sort of sitting off to the side looking like he needed a stiff drink.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
catwho wrote:
I think in this case any protest Pakistan could possibly give over the "invasion" is drowned out by the fact he was living in the suburbs of a major city, chilling less than a mile away from the military academy.
US: If you guys have him, we're gonna take him.
Pakistan: We don't know where he is. We'll help you look.
US: (figures out where he is, says NOTHING)
Pakistan: Nope, no bin Laden here. (Looks under the nearest tribal mountain) Damn he's good!
US: Uh, we found him. *YOINK* Dude, he was in your living room.
Pakistan: Oh my! Uhhhh however did he get in there! *whistles innocently*
US: Yeah, whatever. Thanks for your lack of help here guys.
US: If you guys have him, we're gonna take him.
Pakistan: We don't know where he is. We'll help you look.
US: (figures out where he is, says NOTHING)
Pakistan: Nope, no bin Laden here. (Looks under the nearest tribal mountain) Damn he's good!
US: Uh, we found him. *YOINK* Dude, he was in your living room.
Pakistan: Oh my! Uhhhh however did he get in there! *whistles innocently*
US: Yeah, whatever. Thanks for your lack of help here guys.
My take on it went like this:
US: Hey, did you know that bin Laden was inside your country?
Pakistan: What?
US: Yeah, he had an estate in the suburbs.
Pakistan: bin Laden's not in Pakistan.
US: No, not anymore...
Pakistan: Huh?
US: Bye.
Pakistan: ???
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
In Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, born and raised
In Afghanistan where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some doods outside of Kabul
When a couple of Americans, they were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight And I got Scared
I Lived in a cave for about seven or eight years,
was tired of sitting on a dirt floor and switched gears
Left Afghanistan for Abbottabad, I was finally there.
Though I should have stayed home Instead,
as the Americans found me and now I’m dead
Edited, May 6th 2011 10:05pm by lolgaxe
In Afghanistan where I spent most of my days
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some doods outside of Kabul
When a couple of Americans, they were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight And I got Scared
I Lived in a cave for about seven or eight years,
was tired of sitting on a dirt floor and switched gears
Left Afghanistan for Abbottabad, I was finally there.
Though I should have stayed home Instead,
as the Americans found me and now I’m dead
Edited, May 6th 2011 10:05pm by lolgaxe
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Totem wrote:
Highly suspect, Kao. Needs to be further vetted for accuracy. The word we got here in the 'Stan was that it was a CH-47 that went down.
I dunno, i'd be willing to bet money it was a blackhawk derivitive at this point. I Think I finally figured out whats been bugging me about the tail case and the wierd bulge at the bottom though. It's a Coanda effect tail.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197635-The-mysterious-helicopter-involved-in-the-Osama-Bin-Laden-raid/page34
[img]http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1422/800xmt.jpg[/img]
I'd bet the tail rotor wasn't even spun up when they were hovering. It probably only kicks in when the rotor head speed starts to exceed the ability of the coanda thrust to provide stationkeeping. It would explain the much larger elevator plane somewhat, and why it looks swept forward towards the leading edge. I'd be willing to bet they are ducting the main powerplant exhaust all the way out the tail to cool it and still make use of the residual thrust. There's definitly a drive linkage / torque tube heading to the tail, but it looks like there might be a piece of ducting there too. Or maybe they are just using an internal impeller.
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Debalic wrote:
My take on it went like this:
US: Hey, did you know that Bin Laden was inside your country?
Pakistan: What?
US: What ain't no country I ever heard of. Do they speak English in What?
Pakistan: What?
US: English mother @#%^er, do you speak it?
Pakistan: What? No, I don't speak English, can you talk in Urdu?
US: Say What again. I dare you. I double dare you.
Pakistan: What?
US: (Boom) And that's confirmation. he's just been taken out, and is being airlifted for a sea burial.
Pakistan: What?
US: Yeah, he had an estate in the suburbs.
Pakistan: Bin Laden doesn't live here, stop calling, you crazy.
US: No, not anymore...
Pakistan: Huh?
US: Bye.
Pakistan: ???
US: Hey, did you know that Bin Laden was inside your country?
Pakistan: What?
US: What ain't no country I ever heard of. Do they speak English in What?
Pakistan: What?
US: English mother @#%^er, do you speak it?
Pakistan: What? No, I don't speak English, can you talk in Urdu?
US: Say What again. I dare you. I double dare you.
Pakistan: What?
US: (Boom) And that's confirmation. he's just been taken out, and is being airlifted for a sea burial.
Pakistan: What?
US: Yeah, he had an estate in the suburbs.
Pakistan: Bin Laden doesn't live here, stop calling, you crazy.
US: No, not anymore...
Pakistan: Huh?
US: Bye.
Pakistan: ???
Well, we were talking to them in English. They had no idea what we were yelling into the receiver.
Edited, May 7th 2011 1:59am by Timelordwho
Just as Planned.
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Totem wrote:
Highly suspect, Kao. Needs to be further vetted for accuracy. The word we got here in the 'Stan was that it was a CH-47 that went down.
I dunno, i'd be willing to bet money it was a blackhawk derivitive at this point. I Think I finally figured out whats been bugging me about the tail case and the wierd bulge at the bottom though. It's a Coanda effect tail.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197635-The-mysterious-helicopter-involved-in-the-Osama-Bin-Laden-raid/page34
[img]http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1422/800xmt.jpg[/img]
I'd bet the tail rotor wasn't even spun up when they were hovering. It probably only kicks in when the rotor head speed starts to exceed the ability of the coanda thrust to provide stationkeeping. It would explain the much larger elevator plane somewhat, and why it looks swept forward towards the leading edge. I'd be willing to bet they are ducting the main powerplant exhaust all the way out the tail to cool it and still make use of the residual thrust. There's definitly a drive linkage / torque tube heading to the tail, but it looks like there might be a piece of ducting there too. Or maybe they are just using an internal impeller.
Err...sure. So, were all those technical-sounding things that you mentioned designed to make it quieter or something?
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