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#1 Apr 26 2011 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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I happened across an article talking about how the U.S. Department of State is looking to make the acquisition of a Passport much more difficult. They want to introduce a new application form with questions that are going to be pretty difficult to give complete answers to....

Heres the proposed questionaire [pdf]

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The U.S. Department of State is proposing a new Biographical Questionnaire for some passport applicants: The proposed new Form DS-5513 asks for all addresses since birth; lifetime employment history including employers’ and supervisors names, addresses, and telephone numbers; personal details of all siblings; mother’s address one year prior to your birth; any “religious ceremony” around the time of birth; and a variety of other information. According to the proposed form, “failure to provide the information requested may result in … the denial of your U.S. passport application.”


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Dont know about you, but theres some stuff being asked there that I would absolutely be unable to answer.
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#2 Apr 26 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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Seems excessive.

Surely to grant a passport, all they need to know is if you're a legal citizen. Why all the crap about where your mother lived before you were born?
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Sounds like a great way to keep Americans from traveling abroad.
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Sounds like a great way to keep Americans from traveling abroad.



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I started reading your thread then I got lost in your avatar.

But yeah,Some of the questions there seem a little ridiculous :|
Good thing I am not applying for one any time soon
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You mean no more people waddling around Trafalgar square and pronouncing stuff wrongly...and loudly? Sounds good to me.
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Nilatai wrote:
You mean no more people waddling around Trafalgar square and pronouncing stuff wrongly...and loudly? Sounds good to me.


lol...now just got to get rid of other tourist somehow.
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Sounds like a great way to keep Americans from traveling abroad.
No like. Want US money in my bank accounts
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At first, I was wondering what the big deal was, then I realized the concern. It's no big deal for me because it's the same questions that you have to answer in order to get a security clearance. This time, I kept my file. Copy and paste...

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It's no big deal for me because it's the same questions that you have to answer in order to get a security clearance.
Then you didn't look at the mock up questionnaire.
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The every address you've ever lived at seems a little daunting, the mother information might be a bit difficult to come by, but what really astounded me is that they want a reference to a live witness to your birth, including phone number. Are they really gonna call someone and say, "So, 25 years and 35 days ago, were you at such-and-such hospital attending to [insert mother's name here].

What about people who were adopted? I'm not sure what kind of information they're usually privy too, but often it's not much. Apparently, though, if you don't know your mother's house address where she was living 1 year after your birth, you just don't deserve to go abroad.

My passport still has 3 years left on it, and when I was 18 I don't recall having to do much more than get a certified copy of my birth certificate from the state registry office. Meh.
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Why all the crap about where your mother lived before you were born?


So they can prove that presidential candidates were born in the US.

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Nilatai wrote:
Why all the crap about where your mother lived before you were born?


So they can prove that presidential candidates were born in the US.

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I came here to say this.

I have a hard enough time getting my addresses and previous employments for apartment renter forms and job apps, though I usually try to save any lists I make for future reference.
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Honestly, the whole thing sounds like a hoax to me. While I'm sure the DoS may indeed be proposing a new application form, the only source for the new form itself comes from a third party and not the government. If that form is true, it seems... excessive.


Perhaps it's only intended for people already identified as at risk or something? Or naturalized citizens from certain countries for which birth certificates aren't available? Dunno. I just find it hard to believe that this would be a standard form required for getting a passport.
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Iamadam the Malefic wrote:
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So they can prove that presidential candidates were born in the US.

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Hah. I wasn't going to say it, but apparently the President would be unable to obtain a US passport under those restrictions.
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It does say that the form is not for all applicants, my guess is that it only applies to current presidents.
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Nilatai wrote:
You mean no more people waddling around Trafalgar square and pronouncing stuff wrongly...and loudly? Sounds good to me.


Yes, because all the Brits I've met here have been the absolute epitome of decorum.

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It does say that the form is not for all applicants, my guess is that it only applies to current presidents.


And people with beards. Or turbans. Or if they are called something that sounds a bit foreign, I expect.
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You mean no more people waddling around Trafalgar square and pronouncing stuff wrongly...and loudly? Sounds good to me.


Yes, because all the Brits I've met here have been the absolute epitome of decorum.

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It's no big deal for me because it's the same questions that you have to answer in order to get a security clearance.
Then you didn't look at the mock up questionnaire.


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I honestly have trouble remembering my last address. There is no way in hell I could list every place I've ever lived. And phone numbers?? Ha!
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I think I lost count of addresses after #12 or so. And I cant even remember my last phone number. Hell, with speed dial these days I dont even know half of my friends phone numbers.


Guess I'll stop socking away for that European trip Ive been planning for.
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they want a reference to a live witness to your birth, including phone number.


=/ the guy that delivered me, delivered my mom so I'm pretty sure he's dead by now...
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You mean no more people waddling around Trafalgar square and pronouncing stuff wrongly...and loudly? Sounds good to me.


Yes, because all the Brits I've met here have been the absolute epitome of decorum.

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You mean no more people waddling around Trafalgar square and pronouncing stuff wrongly...and loudly? Sounds good to me.


This coming from a Brit is hilarious.
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WTF!? There's no way I could fill one of these out. My first job was at 13, and the place is closed now, run by an old guy who retired and is probably dead now. Most of my after-school and summer time jobs are closed, or the business has moved suburbs. Even the university department I worked for during student years was shut down after my time.

Most of those above have numbers and addresses I don't know any more, and I haven't kept the old address books. Same for my old places of residence. God knows what my mother can remember or has kept address books of. The years around my birth were very chaotic, she moved a lot. I've moved around a bit myself. If I was estranged from my mother, instead of my father, I doubt I could answer any of the "mother" section. As it is she might be able to dig around for a sixth of the information.

The hospital I was born in? Closed, demolished, and a very fine shopping centre and office buildings built on the prime city block. My mother might be able to remember the name of her gynecologist when she had me, but not anyone else. He'd be dead now. All she's told me about my birth was that the nurses were nasty, and forced her to have a shower when she was in agony and couldn't cope with it. Also, she had to fight them to get them to leave me in the room with her during her stay, because it was still the bad old days of mid-20th century medicine.

Any religious ceremony for my birth likely involved some pagan rite with lots of drugs and group sex.
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At first, I was wondering what the big deal was, then I realized the concern. It's no big deal for me because it's the same questions that you have to answer in order to get a security clearance. This time, I kept my file. Copy and paste...

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Read above, if you have a position requiring a clearance, you can't avoid them.


You have to answer less questions to get a security clearance, and that form takes a lot longer than 45 minutes.

Then again I remember walking into blockbuster once and I think the application to work there was shorter than to rent movies from them.
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WTF!? There's no way I could fill one of these out.

On the up side, you're Australian, aren't you?
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WTF!? There's no way I could fill one of these out.

On the up side, you're Australian, aren't you?

That is an upside, but I feel for my American friends. In Australia, your driver's license acts like a de facto identity card, being government issued, WITH a photo identity AND address. I'm too ill to drive, so I carry round my passport every day just in case I want to join something official, or move large cash amounts outside of electronic networks. The passport has the same magic triple slam qualities including photo ID. I'd be stuffed having neither a driver's licence OR a passport.

Outside of America, there's a prejudicial perception that Americans in general have a lower than average knowledge of the international world. This proposition isn't going to help that prejudice.
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Outside of America, there's a prejudicial perception that Americans in general have a lower than average knowledge of the international world. This proposition isn't going to help that prejudice.
I don't think Moe really cares what the outside world thinks of Americans. He's been pretty clear about that, so even raising the point was useless.
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Outside of America, there's a prejudicial perception that Americans in general have a lower than average knowledge of the international world. This proposition isn't going to help that prejudice.
I don't think Moe really cares what the outside world thinks of Americans. He's been pretty clear about that, so even raising the point was useless.
I don't tend to track Moe's opinions.
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You don't filter him out as well do you? You really shouldn't just filter out the opinions that differ from yours.
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Outside of America, there's a prejudicial perception that Americans in general have a lower than average knowledge of the international world. This proposition isn't going to help that prejudice.


Yeah, but the fact that it's true is going to help it a whole lot less.

Besides, it's hardly the worst national stereotype, is it? Take the Germans. They're always cast as humourless and 'efficient', which is basically a politer way of saying 'mechanised holocaust'.

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You don't filter him out as well do you? You really shouldn't just filter out the opinions that differ from yours

Heck no, just Gbaji.

Gbaji longwinded was one thing, Gbaji longwindedly incoherently illogical was another thing. Totally infuriating.

I actually appreciate Moe and Totem for being coherent and mildly intelligent about their non-Aripyanfar paradigms.

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You don't filter him out as well do you? You really shouldn't just filter out the opinions that differ from yours.


Or those that, say, belong to the people of other countries?
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Or those that, say, belong to the people of other countries?
Moe's an @#%^ and proud of it. You're not going to get him to consider the views of others. Ari, I expected more from.
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Or those that, say, belong to the people of other countries?
Moe's an @#%^ and proud of it. You're not going to get him to consider the views of others. Ari, I expected more from.


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Fuck you. I'm not as good as I pretend to be, and you can't make me.

Edited, May 3rd 2011 6:05am by Aripyanfar
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Yeah, but the fact that it's true is going to help it a whole lot less.

Besides, it's hardly the worst national stereotype, is it? Take the Germans. They're always cast as humourless and 'efficient', which is basically a politer way of saying 'mechanised holocaust'.

Edited, May 3rd 2011 9:52am by Kavekk


They aren't humorless, their humor is just very efficient.
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Sounds like a great way to keep Americans from traveling abroad.
Sounds like they want to be able to deny Obama a passport.
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Sounds like they want to be able to deny Obama a passport.

Doesn't the state department work for him though?
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You're not going to get him to consider the views of others. Ari, I expected more from.

This is an assumption that people make that really should be addressed. Being dismissive is not evidence that I don't consider the views of others. Being an @#%^ is not evidence that I don't consider the views of others. In fact, I consider the views of others very carefully in every decision that I make and every position that I take. It would be foolish of me to cavalierly dismiss the world view and experience of others. To do so would severely limit my ability to make clear, well thought out, effective decisions.

I have simply come to the realization that most of you mother f'uckers are dumber than a pet rock and have nothing to offer an intelligent, coherent conversation, and, as such, the weight given your points of view is quite a bit lower than you may like.

EDIT: F'uck me. A good self aggrandizing rant is ruined when key words are omitted to make the coup de grace read like it was typed by a 6 year old with Down's Syndrome.

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I have simply come to the realization that most of you mother f'uckers are than a pet rock and have nothing to offer an intelligent, coherent conversation, and, as such, the weight given your points of view is quite a bit lower than you may like.
Yes, I should have added the caveat of "on this forum".
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