Almalieque wrote:
The couple doesn't decide anything, the woman does and the man deals with her decision.
And the woman can't "woman" up and take responsibility for what her p*ssy did? If you're fine with being a hypocrite, just say so and we can move on. Else, stop pretending that the woman is completely innocent. She is as equally responsible for the pregnancy as the man.
You can't force responsibility unto the man while allowing the woman to do whatever she pleases without being a hypocrite. So which one is it?
Why don't you understand that having an abortion is taking responsibility? Irresponsible people would choose to give birth to a child they don't want/can't afford.
Almalieque wrote:
Those would indeed be retarded positions as birth is what keeps society growing. I guess you really don't understand that the "***** goes in the ******"?! Pregnancy is part of life and a woman is NOT more useful to society not pregnant than pregnant. HTF do you expect more life to happen? Test tubes?
Sure, that's what I was getting at. How astute of you...
Almalieque wrote:
So, this is nothing but an emotional argument. Pregnancy is a natural, normal and "moral" state of life, if it weren't, then you could have something to argue. Now I see why you're for homosexuality, you think being pregnant hurts society. Wow...
Again, that's
exactly what I was saying, I couldn't have meant anything else. Thanks for clarifying for everyone.
Almalieque wrote:
Whether you accept it or not, there is life in a pregnant woman and all you're doing is choosing sides. I could easily make the same types of arguments for the fetus/child, hence making your argument completely emotional and weak to say the least.
As far as I'm concerned it's not alive until it is self sufficient. Hell, until 12 weeks there's a significant risk the body will reject it. No, you can't. A living person has more rights than a foetus.
Nilatai wrote:
You don't have a point though. You're saying women shouldn't be allowed to terminate a pregnancy unless men have the right to sever all connection to the child. That's a stupid position to take.
Almalieque wrote:
I argued the only two solutions where the responsibility is equal. One allows women to have abortions in any case and the other only by a case by case. I concluded that the solution that allows any abortion and the decision to be a father would be worse for the child. As a result, the other solution is the only reasonable solution remaining, which only allow abortions on a case by case scenario.
The responsibility isn't equal though. Not until men can carry children.
Almalieque wrote:
It doesn't make sense to you because you're being emotional. You can't segregate abortion from the concept of raising a child. They are together.
Of course I can, they're two separate issues.