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#27 Apr 19 2011 at 5:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Here, you can put your tax refund toward next year's taxes (if you pay quarterly, not a bad option), donate it to charity for tax credit, or get it back as cash.
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#28 Apr 19 2011 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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Of course he should keep his refund and do what ever he wants with it. I am surprised any conservative would say otherwise.

If you want to get ****** off at a liberal politician complaining about taxes being too low go after Senator Kerry and his boat in Rhode Island to avoid Massachusetts taxes. (Yes I know he finally changed the registertration, but it is a better point on hypocracy.)
#29 Apr 19 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Of course he should keep his refund and do what ever he wants with it. I am surprised any conservative would say otherwise.

If you want to get ****** off at a liberal politician complaining about taxes being too low go after Senator Kerry and his boat in Rhode Island to avoid Massachusetts taxes. (Yes I know he finally changed the registertration, but it is a better point on hypocracy.)
Conservatives only want lower taxes for conservatives:

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If Obama (liberals in general) think that the government should provide more benefits than it is, then perhaps they should be the ones to pay for those extra things.
So what if conservatives want to wage an unfunded and unnecessary war? Everyone has to pay for those. Only the good things for society should be paid for by liberals.
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#31 Apr 19 2011 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
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Conservatives only want lower taxes for conservatives:


Conservatives only want to lower taxes on people who pay taxes which just happen to be conservatives.
I'd call Obama a liberal, looks like he paid over $450,000 in taxes.
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#32varusword75, Posted: Apr 19 2011 at 12:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) bsphil,
#33 Apr 19 2011 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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I want to say that's a stupid jump in logic.

But its just normal.
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#34 Apr 19 2011 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
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I'd call Obama a liberal, looks like he paid over $450,000 in taxes.


I would to; considering he just spent over a trillion.
Yeah, if it was a conservative like Bush, he'd have not funded his massive spending at all, like the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, Medicare Part D...

Real convincing! lol
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#35 Apr 19 2011 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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Fox News, conservative company, paid only 6% in taxes.
Disney, liberal company, paid 31% in taxes.

Conservatives pay more? No, they pay as little as possible.
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#36 Apr 19 2011 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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varusword75 wrote:
I would to; considering he just spent over a trillion.

So right about what Bush spent on a brand new entitlement program in the form of Medicare Part D?
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#37 Apr 19 2011 at 12:41 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
I would to; considering he just spent over a trillion.

So right about what Bush spent on a brand new entitlement program in the form of Medicare Part D?


I'm pretty sure that the republicans figured out that was Clinton's fault.
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#38 Apr 19 2011 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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varusword75 wrote:
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Conservatives only want lower taxes for conservatives:


Conservatives only want to lower taxes on people who pay taxes which just happen to be conservatives.

Ok, then who is FICA and why is he getting my money?
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#39 Apr 19 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
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Only the good things for society should be paid for by liberals.

And they're paid for with money taxed away from conservatives.

Should I bother finding the thread where Joph linked information showing conservative sates received larger amounts of money per capita than more liberal states?

Liberals are subsidizing conservatives.
#40 Apr 19 2011 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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varusword75 wrote:
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Only the good things for society should be paid for by liberals.

And they're paid for with money taxed away from conservatives.

Should I bother finding the thread where Joph linked information showing conservative sates received larger amounts of money per capita than more liberal states?

Liberals are subsidizing conservatives.
Hey, I remember that one.
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#41 Apr 19 2011 at 7:33 PM Rating: Good
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Fox News, conservative company, paid only 6% in taxes.
Disney, liberal company, paid 31% in taxes.

Conservatives pay more? No, they pay as little as possible.


Wait... Disney is liberal?
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#42 Apr 19 2011 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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So only liberals should pay higher taxes?


That's not what I said at all. I said that there's some reasonableness to the argument that if liberals want to fund charity via government, that maybe they should be the ones to pay the extra costs associated with that charity. The whole "higher taxes" bit is more of a joke. It's meant to be a placeholder for the argument that instead of liberals funding charitable works with government money and making everyone pay for them, that if they think those charities are so important, they should simply pay for them directly. Conservatives don't seriously think we should have different tax rates for different people based on political affiliation. It's just a point made to show how we should be doing this differently in the first place.


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Only people that provide aid to those less fortunate?


Like all the people who donate time and money to private charities of their choice? Yes. I would absolutely expect that they are donating their time and money, not other people's.

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What about people that increase spending on programs that don't help people overall?


Yeah. Great argument for not spending money on those programs in the first place. Do you see how if instead of having the government run charitable programs, you let private charities do so instead, then those things will be funded exactly to the degree to which the people believe they are worth funding? So if *I* think that a certain homeless aid program is great, I can choose to donate money to it. But if I think that other programs aren't good ideas I can choose *not* to fund them with donations. That way, I'm never paying for anything that I don't think is a good idea.

That's what conservatives are really arguing here. The whole "how about only liberals pay the taxes for those things" is just an in between step to get the argument to that point.

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What about people that increase spending to wage war? Shouldn't they pay even more still?


Should they? National defense is at least on the list of things that governments "must do". The extra costs for wars on top of the normal amount we pay for this each year is really not as much as you might think. The reality is that social spending is much greater than military spending, and absolutely dwarfs the amount we actually spend fighting wars.

That's a BS response as well btw. It's another example of "yeah, but!".
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#43 Apr 19 2011 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
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What about people that increase spending to wage war? Shouldn't they pay even more still?


Should they? National defense is at least on the list of things that governments "must do".
Except for that whole "must do" part of the war in Iraq.

Hey, so it sounds like under your plan, only conservatives get to foot the bill for Medicare Part D, right? Great, I'll expect you to be donating extra tax payments to the IRS for the 2011 tax season.

Of course, I'm not going to be paying extra in taxes for what I believe is a good government program, because I'm not the person suggesting that. According to the rule, if you didn't want the plan you don't have to support it, right? lol

Oh wait, does this mean a massive tax break for *** people that can't get married but have to subsidize the benefits of straight, married couples?



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#44 Apr 19 2011 at 10:08 PM Rating: Good
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Fox News, conservative company, paid only 6% in taxes.
Disney, liberal company, paid 31% in taxes.

Conservatives pay more? No, they pay as little as possible.


Wait... Disney is liberal?


They employ *** people and had a "*** day" (or something) at the park. The Southern Baptists have been boycotting them ever since.

They also show women as a strong character in their princess movies more and more.

They also released Wall-E which was a pro-environmentalist movement type movie.
#45 Apr 19 2011 at 10:41 PM Rating: Decent
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TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Fox News, conservative company, paid only 6% in taxes.
Disney, liberal company, paid 31% in taxes.

Conservatives pay more? No, they pay as little as possible.


Wait... Disney is liberal?


They employ *** people and had a "*** day" (or something) at the park. The Southern Baptists have been boycotting them ever since.

They also show women as a strong character in their princess movies more and more.

They also released Wall-E which was a pro-environmentalist movement type movie.
They also banned a woman from wearing a burka while on the job. Just saying that everything isn't so cut and dry.
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#46 Apr 20 2011 at 2:12 AM Rating: Good
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Should they? National defense is at least on the list of things that governments "must do". The extra costs for wars on top of the normal amount we pay for this each year is really not as much as you might think. The reality is that social spending is much greater than military spending, and absolutely dwarfs the amount we actually spend fighting wars.



Jeez thats a depressing view of life! You make it sound as though 'war' is something that just has to be practiced at all times, or modern life just wouldn't be worth living.

I was going to point out also that defense (national or otherwise) has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the wars being fought by the US in any one of the three third world countries currently in the headlines. But i'm off to australia tommorrow for the weekend and I cant be ***** with it atm.


gbaji wrote:

That's not what I said at all. I said that there's some reasonableness to the argument that if conservatives want to fund war via government, that maybe they should be the ones to pay the extra costs associated with that war. The whole "higher taxes" bit is more of a joke. It's meant to be a placeholder for the argument that instead of conservatives funding war with government money and making everyone pay for them, that if they think those wars are so important, they should simply pay for them directly.


That would have worked better if Obama wasn't so obviously following on from exactly where Dubya left off....
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#48 Apr 20 2011 at 7:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
Belkira wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Fox News, conservative company, paid only 6% in taxes.
Disney, liberal company, paid 31% in taxes.

Conservatives pay more? No, they pay as little as possible.


Wait... Disney is liberal?


They employ *** people and had a "*** day" (or something) at the park. The Southern Baptists have been boycotting them ever since.

They also show women as a strong character in their princess movies more and more.

They also released Wall-E which was a pro-environmentalist movement type movie.
They also banned a woman from wearing a burka while on the job. Just saying that everything isn't so cut and dry.


But they did so because it was a fashion crime. Definitely liberal.
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bsphil wrote:
Belkira wrote:
TirithRR the Eccentric wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Fox News, conservative company, paid only 6% in taxes.
Disney, liberal company, paid 31% in taxes.

Conservatives pay more? No, they pay as little as possible.


Wait... Disney is liberal?


They employ *** people and had a "*** day" (or something) at the park. The Southern Baptists have been boycotting them ever since.

They also show women as a strong character in their princess movies more and more.

They also released Wall-E which was a pro-environmentalist movement type movie.
They also banned a woman from wearing a burka while on the job. Just saying that everything isn't so cut and dry.


But they did so because it was a fashion crime. Definitely liberal.


Plus burkas are ultra-conservative.
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