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#102 Mar 19 2011 at 4:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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EDIT: BBC and Sky News also reporting that Gadaffi has threatened attacks against NATO and UN airbases in Cyprus and Southern Italy, god Allah @#%^ing help him if he's that stupid.


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It's interesting to me that France as been the most vocal about the whole situation. Usually it's the US pushing for action at the UN. Reading BBC, it seems we took a backseat while France and the UK piped it up. Whatever gets the job done.
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Hopefully this will get resolved rather quickly and with minor US intervention (no US ground troops, etc).
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Hopefully this will get resolved rather quickly and with minor US intervention (no US ground troops, etc).

From the sound of it, the US participation is going to be restricted to drones, missiles and support aircraft for refueling, surveillance and communications jamming. No manned combat flights.
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It's interesting to me that France as been the most vocal about the whole situation. Usually it's the US pushing for action at the UN. Reading BBC, it seems we took a backseat while France and the UK piped it up. Whatever gets the job done.

It's actually kind of nice for the US to take more of a support role this time.
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It's interesting to me that France as been the most vocal about the whole situation. Usually it's the US pushing for action at the UN. Reading BBC, it seems we took a backseat while France and the UK piped it up. Whatever gets the job done.

It's actually kind of nice for the US to take more of a support role this time.


Agreed. While I support the effort, I hope it stays as a support role. It's time some other NATO countries start taking the lead on stuff like this.
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#108 Mar 20 2011 at 4:57 AM Rating: Good
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Kadhafi attacking Benghazi during what was supposed to be a cease fire is what's doomed him, it's gotten most of the EU to support NATO action. And now Kadhafi has pretty much declared war on the rest of the world, at least he's going out with a bang.
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It's good NATO is leading this, the US doesnt' need to be seen to be steping on another Middle-Eastern/Northern African country.

It's kind of taken me by surprise we're going into Libya. Several months ago, I was hoping with all my heart we wouldn't, back when the US was talking about Libya getting nukes, and what a bad thing that would be. As far as I was concerned, no-one had a right to invade a sovereign nation, and nuclear détente is just something the world has to live with, and has been living with for a long time.

Then all the popular uprisings happened in the M-E against their own governments, and it seemed right to support what seems to be the majority of the citizenry in uprisings. Thankfully elsewhere the army wouldn't take on it's own citizens, but in Libya and elsewhere, foreign troops have been brought in, who don't care what the national citizens there want. That hardly seems fair, and I'm on the side of supporting citizens in a civil war like this.

At least where it's pretty clear where the numbers lie.

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Hopefully this will get resolved rather quickly and with minor US intervention (no US ground troops, etc).
From the sound of it, the US participation is going to be restricted to drones, missiles and support aircraft for refueling, surveillance and communications jamming. No manned combat flights.
I like the sound of that.
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It's interesting to me that France as been the most vocal about the whole situation. Usually it's the US pushing for action at the UN. Reading BBC, it seems we took a backseat while France and the UK piped it up. Whatever gets the job done.

It's actually kind of nice for the US to take more of a support role this time.
It seems US has been leading the strike so far under General Carter Ham. frickenbreakfastmeats!
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Ironically, its those drones, missiles and support aircraft that are the single most expensive piece to an operation like this. Oh well, its good training for the missile crews. they don;t get to practice fire many of those for some reason.
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Hopefully not only will this avoid making America seem like the big bad interloper in other nations' affairs, but will also send a message to the developing world that the developed world at large won't stand for these injustices. It'd be nice if the perception goes from US= bully, to developed nations= better keep your **** straight.
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Hopefully not only will this avoid making America seem like the big bad interloper in other nations' affairs, but will also send a message to the developing world that the developed world at large won't stand for these injustices. It'd be nice if the perception goes from US= bully, to developed nations= better keep your sh*t straight.
It's still the West ******* with the rest of the world. That's all the ME will see.
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Kachi wrote:
Hopefully not only will this avoid making America seem like the big bad interloper in other nations' affairs, but will also send a message to the developing world that the developed world at large won't stand for these injustices. It'd be nice if the perception goes from US= bully, to developed nations= better keep your sh*t straight.


This has nothing to do with injustices. If Libya wasn't sitting on so much oil, the rest of the world would sit back and watch.
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It's still the West @#%^ing with the rest of the world. That's all the ME will see.

In theory, that's why the West waited for the Arab League to agree with a no-fly zone before tkaing it to the UN. Qatar and the United Arab Emirates are supposed to be flying patrols so there's a ME presence.

Of course: "In theory..."
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#117varusword75, Posted: Mar 21 2011 at 7:23 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Jophed,
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“They consulted the Arab League. They consulted the United Nations. They did not consult the United States Congress,” one Democrat lawmaker said of the White House. “They’re creating wreckage, and they can’t obviate that by saying there are no boots on the ground. … There aren’t boots on the ground; there are Tomahawks in the air.”




http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51595.html


At least W got approval from congress to deal with Iraq.

Is this where you start talking about Obama's unilateral decision to resolve this?


I could be wrong, but can't the president use the military for like... 60 or 90 days without going to Congress? I seem to recall that was done back in the beginning of Vietnam. If Obama expects the mission to last more than a few months he'll go to Congress.
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Is this where you start talking about Obama's unilateral decision to resolve this?

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Obviously sarcasm isn't your cup of tea.
Ahahaha. Yeah, you were just being sarcastic. Suuuuuure...
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#125varusword75, Posted: Mar 21 2011 at 11:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) 3 pages later and not to many Dems jumping to defend Obama's current foreign policy blunder.
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3 pages later and not to many Dems jumping to defend Obama's current foreign policy blunder.



I'm still scratching my head at how you can be against Obama taking military action in Libya. Like Iraq, Libya's got oil. Like Iraq, they have a dictator. Unlike Iraq, the UN actually supports taking military action. Unlike Iraq, the people rose up before we started fighting there. Unlike Iraq, we hopefully won't see any casualties nor a dragged-out war.

It's pretty much all good and no bad. We act as the world police, are seen as heroes, and get to fire off some explosives costing tax-payers millions of dollars. Might even get a good oil deal out of it. From a Republican POV, it's pretty much the perfect fight.
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