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#552 Mar 23 2011 at 10:03 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I'm not going to make any assumptions. Either you didn't understand my argument or you're comprehension level of the concept is not yet high enough. You choose for yourself.


It's refreshing to hear you acknowledge that you're unable to consider the possibility of yourself being wrong.


Saves me the time, I guess. Either way, I'm done here. History has shown that you'll take even the most trivial of points to 10+ pages just to avoid conceding to simple reason.

Alma's going on ignore from here on out.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 12:09am by Eske
#553 Mar 23 2011 at 11:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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We don't want the world to lose that. It's really nothing against others for most of us. We just don't want our own kind to go extinct.


White people aren't going anywhere, they're still the predominant race in most of europe, canada, australia, & russia. Could white people become a minority in the USA in our lifetime? It's a possibility, but with the advantage of white power/privilege white people will still hold most of the power, money, & influence.

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It's like, imagine you woke up one day and found that one entire breed of dogs had been wiped out. There were no more pure-blooded varieties of the breed to recreate it, just mutts. No more rottweilers, for instance (or Labs, or whatever your favorite breed is). Sure, there are plenty of other breeds. Sure, the mutts are just as lovable. But still, there would be a hole there. It would be sad.


White people aren't going extinct you idiot, they may become the minority in the USA, but that's all. As for your "purebred" argument, do you realize that many of us share DNA with neanderthals? Did you know Italians have dark skin because the moors, a people of color, conquered it way back in the day?

We're all "mutts" already.

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Maybe.... maybe our fears are unfounded. We don't know.


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So that's what it is, okay. Behind all the "statistics" and the rhetoric. Behind all the posturing and epithets. We're scared sh*tless.


If you weren't a racist, you wouldn't be scared.

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Look. I'm really sorry if I offended anyone. Or everyone. Omega, in all honesty, I wish you and your bride-to-be all the best. I hope you have a long and happy life together and have as many (or as few) kids as you want and that they grow up healthy and happy.

I somehow manage to keep coming out as an awful human being by spouting polarized rhetoric. Like I said before, I have trouble with grey areas. I tend to think in a binary fashion, so this is what happens. Then, eventually, I look at the wreckage I leave in my wake, and I regret it.

Once again, really sorry to everyone.


You'll stop being an awful person if you can wrap your head around the fact that we're all humans of various races, sexes, religions, & sexual orientations & that race doesn't matter at all in the grand scheme of things.
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#554 Mar 24 2011 at 12:04 AM Rating: Default
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School is free to teach about Greek Mythology, but will go ape **** if you just mention Intelligent Design.


Oh, I think it's fine if you teach them both as mythology, yeah?



Sure, only if you teach the big bang theory (or any other relevant explanation) as mythology as well.

#555 Mar 24 2011 at 12:37 AM Rating: Excellent
If anyone responds to him, I will strangle them to death. This is an honest threat, and if you reply you better call the FBI before you wake up strangled.

This is not an honest threat, and if you reply you'll be fine, don't worry about calling the FBI before you wake up strangled.
#556 Mar 24 2011 at 12:58 AM Rating: Default
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Well, I'm not going to make any assumptions. Either you didn't understand my argument or you're comprehension level of the concept is not yet high enough. You choose for yourself.


It's refreshing to hear you acknowledge that you're unable to consider the possibility of yourself being wrong.


Saves me the time, I guess. Either way, I'm done here. History has shown that you'll take even the most trivial of points to 10+ pages just to avoid conceding to simple reason.

Alma's going on ignore from here on out.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 12:09am by Eske


???

You're doing the exact same thing that you're accusing me of. The only difference is, you haven't provided anything to support your claim.

History has shown me acknowledging inaccuracies, errors, ignorance, etc. throughout every single thread, so you can put that card away. It wont work here. That's just some pitiful final attempt to avoid admittance. There is not a single 10+ page thread where I haven't admitted to being wrong or ignorant on something.

I mean, our country is The United States OF America, not United States America. The "of" denotes that we are part of the American continent. To accept the fact that the U.S. picked a general broad name to describe their citizens, yet still believe that it isn't indicative of not having an identity is quite silly.

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Cognate usages may cause cultural friction between U.S. nationals and Latin Americans who object to American English's exclusionary denotations of American.


This page describes the history of the term "American" and how other countries view and refer to it. As I've been stating all of the along, non American countries will simply say some form of "America", but Latin Americans often make differentiations as they are also Americans.
#557 Mar 24 2011 at 3:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Eske Esquire wrote:
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Well, I'm not going to make any assumptions. Either you didn't understand my argument or you're comprehension level of the concept is not yet high enough. You choose for yourself.


It's refreshing to hear you acknowledge that you're unable to consider the possibility of yourself being wrong.


Saves me the time, I guess. Either way, I'm done here. History has shown that you'll take even the most trivial of points to 10+ pages just to avoid conceding to simple reason.

Alma's going on ignore from here on out.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 12:09am by Eske
I'm telling you, it's a nice thing. You still get the really stupid stuff, as people quote him, but it's still an improvement. I like how, in his quoted post above, he fails to understand English by giving you 2 options that mean the same thing.
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#558 Mar 24 2011 at 5:28 AM Rating: Default
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Well, I'm not going to make any assumptions. Either you didn't understand my argument or you're comprehension level of the concept is not yet high enough. You choose for yourself.


It's refreshing to hear you acknowledge that you're unable to consider the possibility of yourself being wrong.


Saves me the time, I guess. Either way, I'm done here. History has shown that you'll take even the most trivial of points to 10+ pages just to avoid conceding to simple reason.

Alma's going on ignore from here on out.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 12:09am by Eske
I'm telling you, it's a nice thing. You still get the really stupid stuff, as people quote him, but it's still an improvement. I like how, in his quoted post above, he fails to understand English by giving you 2 options that mean the same thing.


I'll give into your provocation. I made sure that my two options were actually different given the similarity of the two. Once again, your failure to understand is your own personal problem, but I'll assist you.

"Not understanding my argument" is specific to my argument, while "not comprehending the concept" is referring to the bigger picture. In other words, it's possible to comprehend the concept but failed to understand my argument potentially due to a failure on my explanation. This is why Eske said that she didn't misunderstand me, she just didn't agree.

My options, which were obviously over your understanding, were attacking the notion that it's possible to understand the concept and disagree with my argument. Her prior response was stating that it was possible.

Edit: Who are you fooling? You're not "ignoring" me. You responded to statements that weren't even quoted by anyone else. Besides, if you're going to ignore me, why even respond to me?

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 2:00pm by Almalieque
#559 Mar 24 2011 at 6:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Zeus exists, he's in my living room.



Fucking a swan.


I thought HE was the swan. Oh, man, I've been doing this religion thing all wrong.

If only I'd been allowed to take a comparative religion class.
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#560 Mar 24 2011 at 8:15 AM Rating: Good
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
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Well, I'm not going to make any assumptions. Either you didn't understand my argument or you're comprehension level of the concept is not yet high enough. You choose for yourself.


It's refreshing to hear you acknowledge that you're unable to consider the possibility of yourself being wrong.


Saves me the time, I guess. Either way, I'm done here. History has shown that you'll take even the most trivial of points to 10+ pages just to avoid conceding to simple reason.

Alma's going on ignore from here on out.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 12:09am by Eske
I'm telling you, it's a nice thing. You still get the really stupid stuff, as people quote him, but it's still an improvement. I like how, in his quoted post above, he fails to understand English by giving you 2 options that mean the same thing.



Yeah, seriously.

It is nice. Wow. Like a whole new forum.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 10:19am by Eske
#561 Mar 24 2011 at 8:23 AM Rating: Default
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Eske Esquire wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Eske Esquire wrote:
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Well, I'm not going to make any assumptions. Either you didn't understand my argument or you're comprehension level of the concept is not yet high enough. You choose for yourself.


It's refreshing to hear you acknowledge that you're unable to consider the possibility of yourself being wrong.


Saves me the time, I guess. Either way, I'm done here. History has shown that you'll take even the most trivial of points to 10+ pages just to avoid conceding to simple reason.

Alma's going on ignore from here on out.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 12:09am by Eske
I'm telling you, it's a nice thing. You still get the really stupid stuff, as people quote him, but it's still an improvement. I like how, in his quoted post above, he fails to understand English by giving you 2 options that mean the same thing.



Yeah, seriously.

It is nice. Wow. Like a whole new forum.

Edited, Mar 24th 2011 10:19am by Eske


It is nice. When people pretend to ignore me, it really cuts down on the nonsense that I have to deal with. Now go play with your unicorns..
#562 Mar 24 2011 at 7:29 PM Rating: Good
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You're not "ignoring" me
Uh, yes I am.

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You responded to statements that weren't even quoted by anyone else.
What I responded to was quoted by Eske.


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Besides, if you're going to ignore me, why even respond to me?
Because sometimes, when I feel like being abusive to myself, I open up your posts and read them. But for the most part, they automatically made to be skipped by. Basically, it comes down to what's convenient for me at the time. If you say something I feel like responding to in the 30-40 characters that I can see, I'll open it up. Most times, I get to skip right by though.
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#563 Mar 24 2011 at 7:52 PM Rating: Default
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Uh, yes I am.
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Because sometimes, when I feel like being abusive to myself, I open up your posts and read them. But for the most part, they automatically made to be skipped by. Basically, it comes down to what's convenient for me at the time. If you say something I feel like responding to in the 30-40 characters that I can see, I'll open it up. Most times, I get to skip right by though.


So we basically have two different definitions of "ignoring". What you are doing is no different than what you and every other poster do anyway. According to you, all you have done was to make what you were already doing easier. You are still responding to my posts.


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What I responded to was quoted by Eske.


You responded to just about every post that I've made including the ones that weren't quoted by anyone... Bottom line is that you thought that I would stop posting or reduce my word count if you pretended to "ignore" me. You're a self admitted troll, responding is what you do. So obviously this is just another game that you failed at. Nice try though.. Thanks for playing. ;)
#564 Mar 24 2011 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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Zeus exists, he's in my living room.



Fucking a swan.


I thought HE was the swan. Oh, man, I've been doing this religion thing all wrong.

If only I'd been allowed to take a comparative religion class.


He said something about role reversal, but by that point he was eyeing up my bull, too, and I thought it best to leave.

I don't know, maybe this indoor petting zoo wasn't such a great idea after all.
#565 Mar 28 2011 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
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Zeus exists, he's in my living room.



Fucking a swan.


I thought HE was the swan. Oh, man, I've been doing this religion thing all wrong.

If only I'd been allowed to take a comparative religion class.

Zeus does it every which way.

By the way, SwanZeus raping Queen Leda of Sparta lead to Leda giving birth to two eggs, out of which hatched Castor and Pollux, and Helen and Clytemnestra. Helen was the beautiful princess that Aphrodite stole away to reward the Prince of Troy, leading to Greece attacking Troy, and the defeated Trojan refugees settling in Italy and founding the city of Rome, which later conquered Greece. True mythology.

Edited, Mar 28th 2011 3:50am by Aripyanfar
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As I'm enjoying my time in the P.I, I noticed how everyone is speaking "Tagalish". As a result, I;m asking everyone who don't see the term "American" as not unique, do you feel the same way about the terminology of "Speaking American"?
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As a result, I;m asking everyone who don't see the term "American" as not unique, do you feel the same way about the terminology of "Speaking American"?

Was this written in American? Or English?

I have no idea what the question is here. I'll admit that I've skipped 98% of this thread.

Edited, Mar 28th 2011 9:57pm by Jophiel
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I read the relevant part of the thread, and also have no idea what he's asking.
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As a result, I;m asking everyone who don't see the term "American" as not unique, do you feel the same way about the terminology of "Speaking American"?

Was this written in American? Or English?

I have no idea what the question is here. I'll admit that I've skipped 98% of this thread.

Edited, Mar 28th 2011 9:57pm by Jophiel


I made the argument that the term "America/n" to represent the U.S. demonstrates a lack of identity to the U.S. Even though the term is primarily only used to represent the U.S., the term is generic to the point that it can be equated to the other 50+ countries in the Americas.

The rebuttal was that since the word "America" is in our nation's title, the term is unique enough to represent our citizens, products and services.

So, I'm simply asking if that extends to the language spoken in the U.S. as well? Most people ridicule the phrase "Do you speak American?". So, do "you all" (the people who think the term "American" is a good term to be used to describe U.S citizens, products and services) agree that that the term "American" should be used to to describe the U.S. language as well as it's people, products and services?

If not, why not?
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I made the argument that the term "America/n" to represent the U.S. demonstrates a lack of identity to the U.S. Even though the term is primarily only used to represent the U.S., the term is generic to the point that it can be equated to the other 50+ countries in the Americas.

The rebuttal was that since the word "America" is in our nation's title, the term is unique enough to represent our citizens, products and services.

So, I'm simply asking if that extends to the language spoken in the U.S. as well? Most people ridicule the phrase "Do you speak American?". So, do "you all" (the people who think the term "American" is a good term to be used to describe U.S citizens, products and services) agree that that the term "American" should be used to to describe the U.S. language as well as it's people, products and services?

If not, why not?


The US doesn't have a language.
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I'd call it American English as its a variant of the older and more universal English language. But simply saying "Do you speak English?" is sufficient since, dialects aside, the different variants can generally communicate without much trouble. It's also shorter.

The United States of America being condensed to "America" is a matter of convenience and the fact that the US was the first recognized "Western" nation in the Americas (I phrase that intentionally to discount Native American nations). Lack of identity doesn't have anything much to do with it. There's probably an argument to be made about American identity, or lack thereof, but "Americans" vs "United Statesians" isn't part of it.

Edited, Mar 28th 2011 11:12pm by Jophiel
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The US doesn't have a language.


The US has a language only spoken in the U.S.

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I'd call it American English as its a variant of the older and more universal English language. But simply saying "Do you speak English?" is sufficient since, dialects aside, the different variants can generally communicate without much trouble. It's also shorter.

The United States of America being condensed to "America" is a matter of convenience and the fact that the US was the first recognized "Western" nation in the Americas (I phrase that intentionally to discount Native American nations). Lack of identity doesn't have anything much to do with it. There's probably an argument to be made about American identity, or lack thereof, but "Americans" vs "United Statesians" isn't part of it.


You're making the argument that the term "America" is a matter of convenience of less words, yet you would rather ADD a word saying, "American English", instead of simply saying "American". It's not like people wont know what you're talking about since the term "American" is primarily reserved for the US. So what's the difference?

So, it's ok to call the people "American", the food "American", the music "American", but not the language? Why do you have to further distinguish the language but nothing else?

The answer is because we don't speak "American" as "America" isn't a country, we speak an American dialect of the English language. This holds true for everything else we call "American", but it's just that we only recognize it with language. America isn't a country, so it's silly to label a language that isn't unique to two entire American continents as a spoken language. Under the same logic, that applies to everything else we call "American".

This is why this supports the argument of the lack of identity, because not only do we not have an official language, we don't have a name that uniquely identifies our citizens.

To be fair, you would be right about the term "American" not being related to having an identity IF we actually had one. Given the fact that one can easily make the argument of the lack of an identity, then not having an unique name for your citizens completely supports that argument.
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You're making the argument that the term "America" is a matter of convenience of less words, yet you would rather ADD a word saying, "American English", instead of simply saying "American".

No, I said "English" was sufficient to describe the language, just as "American" is sufficient when referring to the nation.

The rest of your post was based off you getting this basic premise wrong.
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Are you back to being a massive ******? Not every country has a unique language. Many of them have dialects of different languages. This is not a semantic difference, it's a linguistic one. Please stick to subjects where you're at least subjectively wrong.
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Are you back to being a massive ******? Not every country has a unique language.

No way, man. The reason why you speak "Spanish" and not "Argentinian" is because "Argentina" isn't a country, you speak an Argentinian dialect of the Spanish language.
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I'd call it American English as its a variant of the older and more universal English language. But simply saying "Do you speak English?" is sufficient since, dialects aside, the different variants can generally communicate without much trouble. It's also shorter.


I believe "English, ************, do you speak it?" is the correct colloquialism for American English.

I'm not really a linguistic scholar, persay.
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