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#102 Jul 20 2010 at 2:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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What the hell do you think satire is?

Judging from Mark Williams, it's his chance to show his true racist colors while you cheer him on under a veil of plausible deniability. "He doesn't really mean it!"

But, hey, at least we're getting to the crux of FOX's little witch hunt! Makin' progress!
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#103 Jul 20 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

Witch hunt? Oh yeah that's the excuse liberals use when they are caught in the act of being racists.
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Hahahaha... you're not even trying any more are you?

Gbaji is here now. You can clock out and go home.
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#105 Jul 20 2010 at 3:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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knoxxsouthy wrote:
That's what's so humourus about this entire discussion.


That's not the only thing that's humorous.
#106 Jul 20 2010 at 3:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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And there's no doubt in my mind that Obama was given the mcl not based on his scores but rather the colour of his skin.


I'm sure that's true.

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#107 Jul 20 2010 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

It doesn't take much effort to show how racist Democrats really are.

#108 Jul 20 2010 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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Jophed,

It doesn't take much effort to show how racist Democrats really are.



Then how have you not accomplished it yet?
#109 Jul 20 2010 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
She's being thrown under the bus by the NAACP and the Obama administration.
Now, uh, who's driving that bus again?

I believe it's the people we're complaining about, that is, Fox & co.
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#110 Jul 20 2010 at 5:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's funny that Gbaji managed to post several times but never once remarked on Breitbart and FOX news pushing a edited down video that intentionally gives the opposite impression of what she really said. But, of course, that's not the "real issue" when you can cry about the NAACP and say this is all their fault.
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#111 Jul 20 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Default
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gbaji wrote:
She's being thrown under the bus by the NAACP and the Obama administration.
Now, uh, who's driving that bus again?

I believe it's the people we're complaining about, that is, Fox & co.


Er? Being thrown under the bus means that someone you're associated with disassociates themselves with you and places the blame on you for whatever is going on so as to protect themselves from said blame. She's a symptom of a larger problem, but by making it just about them, they can avoid getting run over the bus themselves. Hence the term. Doesn't matter who's driving the bus.

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 5:06pm by gbaji
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#112gbaji, Posted: Jul 20 2010 at 5:56 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) As opposed to the edited sections of the Mark Williams satire you brought up which make it appear as though he's making those statements about black people himself? The point of the video was to show how acceptable that sort of thing is among the NAACP. If a white person standing in front of the Fryers club had admitted that they'd helped a black person out less than they could have while doing their job because they'd rather help out white people instead, you'd have expected gasps and other strong negative reactions (or at least stony silence) and then when the person talked about how they realized their mistake, you'd have positive reactions. What you hear in the video is chuckling and support for what she said when she said it.
#113 Jul 20 2010 at 6:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
As opposed to...

This is you still refusing to address FOX broadcasting chopped up video and you guys eating it up.

Delicious! I love it when I can watch you drink the Kool-Ade in real time!

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At that point in the clip, she hadn't yet gotten to the part where she talks about how she was wrong. The audience didn't yet know where she was going with the story

This is one of the stupidest things you've posted in... well, a week? Anyway, you really think the audience assumed this was a story about how to keep Whitey down or something? You've never been to a church service or something where someone tells a story about their misspent youth or mistakes they made and other chuckle and agree as they empathize? You don't think the reaction of the crowd when she talks about how she was wrong and now she sees the light would be important to help determine how they feel about the topic? Hey, no doubt they would have pelted her with fruit and paper after she admitted that she didn't think you should act that way since they all loved it so much, right? Right?... So we should have.. seen... that? Maybe...?

Of course not. Not if your goal was to use chopped up video to make a group look as bad as possible and watch a bunch of boneheads eat it up as FOX played it as real news.

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 7:15pm by Jophiel
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#114 Jul 20 2010 at 6:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
As opposed to...

This is you still refusing to address FOX broadcasting chopped up video and you guys eating it up.

Delicious! I love it when I can watch you drink the Kool-Ade in real time!

No, I think gbaji is too traditional for that.

He's probably got Flavor-Aid.
#115gbaji, Posted: Jul 20 2010 at 6:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You're following a BS line of response designed to distract away from the issue and *I'm* the one drinking the Kool-Ade? Lol! The video isn't about her! It's about the response from the audience. How many times do I have to keep repeating this?
#116 Jul 20 2010 at 6:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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The stated purpose of the video was to show the reaction of the NAACP members during that part of her speech.

Yeah, I already edited and addressed this further. But you're a good little parrot.

I love how you can applaud a hacked up video destroying a woman's career and keep saying "It's not about her!" You'll just do anything to defend some fucked up actions by the conservatives, huh? Slander a woman and use her as a pawn in some little pissing match because FOX got its feelings hurt and you're right there sucking them off. Amazing.

Edit: Equally amazing is how you can cling to a bunch of echo-y reverb as evidence that everyone there was agreeing and chuckling... I guess Breitbart and FOX told you it was true so that was all you needed. Of course it was about what she was saying; you couldn't even hear what anyone else was doing.

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 7:22pm by Jophiel
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#117gbaji, Posted: Jul 20 2010 at 6:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow. Just... wow.
#118 Jul 20 2010 at 6:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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When on earth did I come foaming at the mouth into this thread insisting that she's a horrible racist because of the video that Fox News showed?

I never said that but it was a wonderful strawman. You're so skilled at those, aren't you? I said it was funny how stridently you defend FOX and Breitbart for presenting her as a racist because "It doesn't matter! It's not the issue!"

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It was not about her.

Tee-hee!!

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Have you read Breitbart's page yet?

Yeah. Full of thin excuse and rationales for editing up a video and then pretending it showed something it didn't. But it was fun watching you eat it up and continue to defend it.

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He even seems to lament that the public will likely make a bigger issue out of the first clip, when to him (and to most Tea Partiers) it's the second video which should be more problematic.

Really, Gbaji? Really? Poor Andrew Breitbart was soooo torn up that after he edited up a clip presenting the woman as a racist and made sure to post that one first... the terrible, terrible public might put more importance on it? And you ate that up? You bought that??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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I'm not defending Fox's coverage of this.


Again: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Oh my god... please keep this up. This is awesome! More!!!!
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
When on earth did I come foaming at the mouth into this thread insisting that she's a horrible racist because of the video that Fox News showed?

I never said that but it was a wonderful strawman. You're so skilled at those, aren't you? I said it was funny how stridently you defend FOX and Breitbart for presenting her as a racist because "It doesn't matter! It's not the issue!"


Huh?
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This is you still refusing to address FOX broadcasting chopped up video and you guys eating it up.


Jophiel wrote:
I love how you can applaud a hacked up video destroying a woman's career and keep saying "It's not about her!"


When did I ever "eat it up" or "applaud" the video Joph? When?

I have consistently talked about how the video reflects on the NAACP hosting the event in question. Do you just ignore what I say in favor of what you'd rather argue against? Talk about strawman! Sheesh!


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Have you read Breitbart's page yet?

Yeah. Full of thin excuse and rationales for editing up a video and then pretending it showed something it didn't. But it was fun watching you eat it up and continue to defend it.


There's nothing to defend. It shows precisely what it was intended to show. That the NAACP accepts and encourages language like that used during the clip. I keep saying this, and you keep failing to get it. It's not about the woman speaking. It's the reaction from the crowd while she's speaking.

This is the paragraph immediately preceding the video clip:

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Sherrod’s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groups’ racial tolerance.


Note, it's not about Sherrod *being* a racist, but the response to the portion of her story where she's relating a racially motivated act. How far do you have to dig your head into the ground not to get this?


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I'm not defending Fox's coverage of this.


Again: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


When did I defend or even mention (except in response to you) Fox's coverage of this? You're the one obsessed with a news stations coverage and ignoring the actual original story. All I'm doing is pointing out the facts.
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#120 Jul 20 2010 at 8:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
When did I ever "eat it up" or "applaud" the video Joph? When?

You mean besides "This is a really important video so we can see what racists those NAACP guys are and we don't need to see all the edited out parts because it has some reverb that Breitbart and FOX say is the NAACP agreeing with Sherrod and so it's really important and the fact that it's be edited to present Sherrod in the worst possible manner isn't an issue!"?

Besides that?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I knew this would be good.

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It shows precisely what it was intended to show.

Sherrod in the worst possible light so he could attack the NAACP by slandering her. I know. I think it's precious how you keep saying "No, no! Breitbart really just meant this! See? He said it! Who cares that he hacked it up or that there are no actual discernible 'murmurs of recognition and agreement' because the whole thing is one echo-y mess of feedback and reverb? Who cares that he edited out any audience reaction to the end of her story which might not jive with the 'They're all racists!' line I'm eating up hook, line and sinker! Who cares that he posted it first before shedding crocodile tears that people might think it's important? He said his motives are pure!"

Pure gold. Please keep going.

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When did I defend or even mention (except in response to you) Fox's coverage of this?

You mean besides the stuff mentioned above?

Huh. You kind of ended on a fizzle there. Try harder next time. I know you have more tool in you.

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 9:07pm by Jophiel
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#121 Jul 20 2010 at 8:08 PM Rating: Good
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. It shows precisely what it was intended to show. That the NAACP accepts and encourages language like that used during the clip.


Uh... no. It was edited to give the impression that the NAACP is a bunch of hypocrites who endorse and sponsor racist minorities. That is exactly what 95% of the people* watching it initially would take as the message; and the other 5% would see that it's obviously flimsy (c'mon, it's Breitbart) and start spinning it immediately when the inevitable fallout happens. I give you props for realizing, at least subconsciously, that it's a bunch of hooey and trying to spin from the get-go. Doesn't make your excuses any sturdier, but it lets you type long senseless paragraphs! :D

*Edit: By "people" I mean conservative viewers. Most liberals would snort and ignore it, not see it in the first place, or be drooling Obama supporters that think it's a conspiracy.

Edited, Jul 20th 2010 10:10pm by LockeColeMA
#122 Jul 20 2010 at 10:45 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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gbaji wrote:
She's being thrown under the bus by the NAACP and the Obama administration.
Now, uh, who's driving that bus again?

I believe it's the people we're complaining about, that is, Fox & co.


Er? Being thrown under the bus means that someone you're associated with disassociates themselves with you and places the blame on you for whatever is going on so as to protect themselves from said blame. She's a symptom of a larger problem, but by making it just about them, they can avoid getting run over the bus themselves. Hence the term. Doesn't matter who's driving the bus.
The bolded phrase is just about the most ridiculous thing ever.

Of course it matters who's driving the bus. You push people under the bus not just to dissociate yourself from the people you're pushing, but to make the people driving the bus look bad.

Which, in this case, seems to be working.

As soon as Obama decided "you know, we're gonna cut our losses with her", Fox should have immediately said "you know, that clip was complete BS". Why?

...well, I'll leave that up to you, because it's obvious.
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I'm pretty sure Varus is here illegally. He hasn't posted his birth certificate yet.
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The NAACP posted the entire video on their site with much better audio quality. First off, the idea that the audience didn't know what the story would be about is pure ********* She opens the story (around 16:30) saying that she started off thinking she would be helping black people but learned through her experiences that it was really about helping poor people. So anyone there knew exactly what the story would be about. Whoah!! This is the complete opposite of what Gbaji said! Why... how could he have known that no one there knew?!?! Oh, that's right -- he made it up because it let him defend a chopped up crap video designed to slander Sherrod and the NAACP. There are some chuckles when she's telling the story but there's chuckles throughout the entire speech because she's telling stories. You want to know when you first start hearing real murmurs of agreement? When she says "I learned it was about helping the poor" and you can hear "mmhmm... mmhmmm..." from the audience.

Simply put, the non-edited video shows the exact opposite of what Breitbart and FOX and Varus and Gbaji all swear it really does show. It's not even "funny" any longer, it's just pathetic. Pathetic that people like Andrew Breitbart would hack up the video and malign a woman just to score cheap points, pathetic that FOX cares more about their political agenda with the Tea Party Express and getting the NAACP back than any sort of journalism and pathetic that tools like Gbaji eat it up and defend them up and down that the real problem isn't them, it's just that we don't understand the "real issue".
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The damage to Sherrod's reputation here might provide her with some legal action against Fox and Breitbart for False Light:
1. Breitbart and/or Fox made the publication of the edited video about Sherrod;
2. Sherrod should be able to prove that it was made with actual malice (that is, they had "knowledge that the information was false" or that it was published "with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.")
3. The edited video and accompanying "reporting"/"articles" were presented which placed Sherrod in a false light (ie that she was a racist when she clearly was not); and
4. That was highly offensive (i.e., embarrassing to a reasonable person).
5. She has suffered damage to her reputation and career.


Edited, Jul 21st 2010 1:39am by Addikeys
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#126 Jul 21 2010 at 7:31 AM Rating: Decent
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She opens the story (around 16:30) saying that she started off thinking she would be helping black people but learned through her experiences that it was really about helping poor people. So anyone there knew exactly what the story would be about. Whoah!! This is the complete opposite of what Gbaji said! Why... how could he have known that no one there knew?!?! Oh, that's right -- he made it up because it let him defend a chopped up crap video designed to slander Sherrod and the NAACP. There are some chuckles when she's telling the story but there's chuckles throughout the entire speech because she's telling stories. You want to know when you first start hearing real murmurs of agreement? When she says "I learned it was about helping the poor" and you can hear "mmhmm... mmhmmm..." from the audience.


Cry me a f*cking river. I still remember what you people did to Clarence Thomas. So this woman learned through her experiences working for the govn you say? Doesn't that statement in itself indicate that she was discriminating and in fact had to learn that is was wrong, on the taxpayers dollar no less?

And no there weren't a few chuckles there was a crowd of black, most likely members of the NAACP, laughing with Sherrod when she went on her rant about the poor white farmer who had to come to her for help.

I know this is difficult for you to digest but many urban black people do not like whites, and they like mexicans even less. Of course you might know this if you had ever lived amongst them.

This is no different than Obama admonishing that white policeman for doing his job simply because it involved a radical black liberal professor.

This is no different than Jesse Jackson saying he used to spit in the white peoples food before he served them.

This is a menality that the Democrat party cultivates. They thrive on division. It serves them the least if the blacks and mexicans start focusing on the economy and not what benefits they might be receiving based solely on the colour of their skin.




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