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#52 Mar 08 2004 at 10:46 PM Rating: Decent
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"God" to me is a symbolic representation of the natural impulse of the universe, a symbol created by humankind because it's the only way we can put into context something we don't understand. That "natural impulse" I'm talking about is like gravity or inertia, not self-aware and therefore not a supreme intelligence, 'kay?


The natural impulse of the universe...akin to gravity and inertia...sounds an awful lot like physics, not theology. But you can call it whatever you want. You can call the moon a grapefruit for all I care. But, as Nice Guy Eddie says, if you beat this man long enough he'll tell you he started the Chicago Fire, but that don't necessarily make it so.



[sm]I think I lost my train of thought somewhere...[sm]
#53 Mar 09 2004 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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But hey..if your right then nothings gonna happen. after death, my existance will be little more than a memory that will sooner than later fade away on the face of time...maybe a little longer if I've left enough pictures or works here. In the case of this belief, I can see why many take their own lives.


Yeah, that's why there's so many Atheist sucide bombings. That's why large groups of Atheists periodically commit suicide together at the direction of an Atheist leader.

Do you think before you type?

Atheism is the greatest argument AGAINST suicide there is. Believing that there's some sort of great reward awaiting you when you die seems to me to be more of an incentive to kill yourself or others, and history would prove me right.
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#54 Mar 09 2004 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, that's why there's so many Atheist sucide bombings. That's why large groups of Atheists periodically commit suicide together at the direction of an Atheist leader.

Do you think before you type?


yeah fool..because I said that people who dont believe in God are terrorists..do YOU think before you type or do you just read a couple words and assume you know the rest?

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Atheism is the greatest argument AGAINST suicide there is. Believing that there's some sort of great reward awaiting you when you die seems to me to be more of an incentive to kill yourself or others, and history would prove me right.


ok..you fail reading comprehension. I simply said, (now read C A R E F U L L Y), that if I believed there was nothing after this life...that I dissipated after death, that I could see why many would take their own life. here..i'll even quote my original post here so you can read it yourself. go on...read it this time, you can do it..i'll even pray for ya this time.

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But hey..if your right then nothings gonna happen. after death, my existance will be little more than a memory that will sooner than later fade away on the face of time...maybe a little longer if I've left enough pictures or works here. In the case of this belief, I can see why many take their own lives.
#55 Mar 09 2004 at 4:30 PM Rating: Good
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Emp. I think we can all see what you wrote. I'm just curious (as I'm sure many are), how you arrived at that conclusion.

What makes you think that someone who does not believe in an afterlife would be inclined to take his own life? What for? The only people who do that are those who think there's something more waiting for them. People who believe that this life is the only one you get would seem to be much more inclined to preserve this life as much as possible. One might even assume they would cherish life far more then someone who "knows" that there's a better afterlife waiting for him.


Your argument is kinda like saying that the guy on the deserted island with one piece of fruit will chuck it into the ocean, but the guy with the basket of fruit will not. I would think the opposite would be more likely to happen. If you know you've got another piece of fruit waiting for you (and perhaps even a better one), you are vastly more likely to toss the one in your hand, especially if it's maybe a little sour or something. Wheras the guy who knows that the fruit in his hand is the only one he'll get will eat the whole damn thing no matter what it tastes like. He'll cherish it. He wont throw it away no matter what.


If you have a different opinion on this, please explain it. So far, your logic makes about zero sense to me.

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#56 Mar 09 2004 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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ok. swing back around...pick smash up on the way if you could.

i was saying..if I believed in that...that I could UNDERSTAND why someone would take their own life.

didnt say that people that believed that regularly take their own life (although some probably do). I didnt say that people that believed that are terrorists, make ice sculptures or sit on their backporch in their boxers with a beer and throw rocks at children that pass by.

basically, I was saying with that belief..i could not see much hope or reason for living since there wasn't anything really to look forward to. It was a statement to reflect how I would feel with my current understanding if I was dropped into the shoes of someone with that belief...that is all.
#57 Mar 09 2004 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd try to follow the logic in this argument, but it simply isn't here.

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I simply said, (now read C A R E F U L L Y), that if I believed there was nothing after this life...that I dissipated after death, that I could see why many would take their own life.
I read it C A R E F U L L Y and your comment still leaves me baffled. Are you saying that only your belief in a supreme being gives you the will to live? That the only joyful, beautiful, inspiring, fulfilling, challenging, meaningful aspect of your existance is your religion? That if you came to the realization that there was no god, you'd believe your life to be devoid of value? And that belief would drive you to suicide?

If that is true, I'm truly sorry for you.

To an atheist this physical life is not a dress rehearsal for a spirit afterlife. We live fully for this lifetime and no other. We appreciate that which we have, and celebrate our life in the here and now.
#58 Mar 10 2004 at 12:59 AM Rating: Good
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OMG...never freaking mind. i'd have better luck passing my sidewinder joystick through my small intestine.

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#59 Mar 10 2004 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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OMG...never freaking mind. i'd have better luck passing my sidewinder joystick through my small intestine.
Smiley: oyvey


Yes, you would have better luck with the joystick than an eternal afterlife in heaven.

Besides, I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, 'cause the sinners are much more fun!
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