All when you're involved. Most when you're not. For someone who likes to play semantics with words, you sure don't pay attention when it's not your words your playing semantics on.
A dictionary can help you understand the difference between all and most if you need assistance.
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There are several posters in here who deserve a rolled up newspaper to the nose.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
A dictionary can help you
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Spoonless wrote:
There are several posters in here who deserve a rolled up newspaper to the nose.
I need to stop, because if I'm not on the list, I'm getting close to being added.
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Uglysasquatch wrote:
All when you're involved. Most when you're not. For someone who likes to play semantics with words, you sure don't pay attention when it's not your words your playing semantics on.
A dictionary can help you understand the difference between all and most if you need assistance.
A dictionary can help you understand the difference between all and most if you need assistance.
blah blah blah... 20 pages... blah blah..
Just because we were throwing around a 0.2% number earlier...
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Reading comprehension still an issue: check!
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
someproteinguy wrote:
Just because we were throwing around a 0.2% number earlier...
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
someproteinguy wrote:
Just because we were throwing around a 0.2% number earlier...
This sort of implies that over the age of 65 we're still sexually active. - Yay
(I was starting to worry)
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
someproteinguy wrote:
Just because we were throwing around a 0.2% number earlier...
Edited, Apr 4th 2013 3:29pm by Rachel9
#962Almalieque,
Posted: Apr 04 2013 at 1:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) "Playing semantics" is when the difference in definition doesn't conceptually change the point of the argument. However, when your argument is based on the definition of a word, then having an accurate definition becomes relevant. You can't argue that certain discrimination is based on gender without being able to define the differences between the male and female genders.
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ARGUEING YOU PEDANTIC TWAT?!?!!!
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I'm saying that from the perspective of everyone else using the restroom, there's no difference between a transgender female using the women's restroom and a non transgender male wearing a dress so that he can use the women's restroom.
Ellen Degeneres isn't trying to look like a man though. My statement assumes a non-transgender male disguising himself as a woman in order to use the women's restroom without being detected. I realize that I didn't explicitly state in in that sentence, but in context and given the several other times I've mentioned this, it should have been clear that what I was getting at.
My larger point is that we can't assume based on how someone looks what their gender is. Rachel made a comment about how if a trans female used the mens restroom, it would cause more of a stir than the other way around, and I countered that this is only because the others using the restroom don't know the sex of the person in the dress. And arguing for an exception if someone is trans doesn't work because there's no external means for us to determine if someone really is trans, or is just some perv disguising himself as a women in order to sneak into the womens restroom. Which was what I was talking about in the quoted sentence.
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Because I don't know about you but I think even Bijou can see that difference from a mile away.
True, but irrelevant. Get back to me when Ellen tries to use a mens restroom.
Edited, Apr 4th 2013 3:00pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
someproteinguy wrote:
Just because we were throwing around a 0.2% number earlier...
I believe the .2% number was in reference to how many were specifically transgender, which I think we can all agree is going to be a smallish subset of the whole GLBT group.
Also:
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Research, including this survey, also suggests that young women may be more likely than men to identify as bisexual.
"The pattern across surveys is that men are more likely to identify as gay, whereas women are more likely to identify as bisexual," explained social psychologist Justin Lehmiller. "We don't know exactly why this is, but many psychologists believe it results from women's sexuality being somewhat more 'flexible' or 'fluid' and men's sexuality being somewhat more 'fixed.' "
"The pattern across surveys is that men are more likely to identify as gay, whereas women are more likely to identify as bisexual," explained social psychologist Justin Lehmiller. "We don't know exactly why this is, but many psychologists believe it results from women's sexuality being somewhat more 'flexible' or 'fluid' and men's sexuality being somewhat more 'fixed.' "
This is one of the many reasons I've concluded that a whole lot of people in social science fields are complete idiots. They really can't noodle out why this is? It's not magnets either. Sheesh!
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Gbaji wrote:
My larger point is that we can't assume based on how someone looks what their gender is.
That's the point that has been overlooked. A man with a female gender doesn't have to dress up like a woman. If that person were to walk into the woman's bathroom, locker room, dorm, etc. people would say something.
Belkira wrote:
What, exactly, do you guys seem to think goes on in the ladies room...? Pillow fights in our underwear and lesbian orgies? It's still a toilet for the love of Pete.
It really has less to do with wanting to go in a ladies room. I would argue that most guys have no desire to go inside one. Likewise, I would argue that most women wouldn't want to walk by or see men using urinals. However, If bathrooms were indeed segregated by gender and not sex, that would happen.
Also, I'm also referring to all areas where clothes are removed to include locker rooms, dorm rooms etc.
gbaji wrote:
This is one of the many reasons I've concluded that a whole lot of people in social science fields are complete idiots. They really can't noodle out why this is? It's not magnets either. Sheesh!
I'm sure they'd argue they have awesome amounts of emotional intelligence.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
gbaji wrote:
Ellen Degeneres isn't trying to look like a man though.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
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It really has less to do with wanting to go in a ladies room. I would argue that most guys have no desire to go inside one. Likewise, I would argue that most women wouldn't want to walk by or see men using urinals. However, If bathrooms were indeed segregated by gender and not sex, that would happen.
someproteinguy wrote:
gbaji wrote:
This is one of the many reasons I've concluded that a whole lot of people in social science fields are complete idiots. They really can't noodle out why this is? It's not magnets either. Sheesh!
I'm sure they'd argue they have awesome amounts of emotional intelligence.
I just find it amazing how people in a field which presumably is supposed to know this stuff, either can't grasp, or more likely are unwilling to say the quite obvious reason for the statistics they're seeing. People's self perception is not 100% driven by internal examination (I'd argue it's not even 10%). It's a reflection of social norms, biases, and expectations. Yes, even people who think they're special unique snowflakes of individuality and free expression and whatnot are still really just reflecting a set of social norms. They may select different norms to reflect, but that's all they're doing. But no one who wants to get grant money in the field will directly say that.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Rachel9 wrote:
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It really has less to do with wanting to go in a ladies room. I would argue that most guys have no desire to go inside one. Likewise, I would argue that most women wouldn't want to walk by or see men using urinals. However, If bathrooms were indeed segregated by gender and not sex, that would happen.
Sigh... He means women sex, not women gender. Restrooms segregated by gender would result in biological women walking by and seeing biological men using urinals, because gender segregation (if it's different than sex segregation) would somewhat require people with different genitalia using the same restroom.
Again, it comes down to which case we're more concerned about. And I'll repeat my assertion that for the overwhelming majority of our society, the issue of biological women sharing a restroom with biological men is the bigger concern. Doesn't matter what gender that woman associates with.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Some threads, actually contain information that many people did not know, and therefore, are informative. This thread consists almost entirely of gbaji and Alma. There is nothing informative in those posts.
It was briefly entertaining to scroll through entire pages of "User Ignored."
gbaji wrote:
I just find it amazing how people in a field which presumably is supposed to know this stuff, either can't grasp, or more likely are unwilling to say the quite obvious reason for the statistics they're seeing. People's self perception is not 100% driven by internal examination (I'd argue it's not even 10%). It's a reflection of social norms, biases, and expectations. Yes, even people who think they're special unique snowflakes of individuality and free expression and whatnot are still really just reflecting a set of social norms. They may select different norms to reflect, but that's all they're doing. But no one who wants to get grant money in the field will directly say that.
Sounds like you're most of the sociologist type than a psychologist type.
Not something I know tons about. Only thing I really have to add is that human beings are annoyingly complicated. You can give identical twins the same drug and they may react to it very differently. It's the type of thing that drives the more analytical scientist types bonkers. Of course, they argue the rest of us are just in the fields we are because we suck at math.
Crazy talk I tell you.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
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Sigh... He means women sex, not women gender.
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Restrooms segregated by gender would result in biological women walking by and seeing biological men using urinals, because gender segregation (if it's different than sex segregation) would somewhat require people with different genitalia using the same restroom.
Edited, Apr 4th 2013 6:50pm by Rachel9
Elinda wrote:
I'm kind of intrigued with the Alma - Rachel9 relationship. I'd like to see where it goes.
Eh, the Ross - Rachel one was more entertaining
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Stupidmonkey is more organized than a bag of raccoons.
Rachel9 wrote:
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Well yes. I've never known a trans man to be uncomfortable walking by other men in the bathroom just because they're using urinals though. How is this a concern? Surely he's not really suggesting we ban trans men from the men's bathroom because they might get a little uncomfortable walking past other men?
Edited, Apr 4th 2013 6:50pm by Rachel9
Well yes. I've never known a trans man to be uncomfortable walking by other men in the bathroom just because they're using urinals though. How is this a concern? Surely he's not really suggesting we ban trans men from the men's bathroom because they might get a little uncomfortable walking past other men?
Edited, Apr 4th 2013 6:50pm by Rachel9
No one mentioned anything about trans having problems.
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