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#652 Mar 26 2013 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
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In a woman's locker room with you.


What about it? Would I have a problem? Absolutely not. Why would I?



Edited, Mar 26th 2013 8:31pm by Belkira


Because I do recall you saying before that you would feel uncomfortable about sharing showers with heterosexual men. 'Twas the time you listed reasons on why a woman wouldn't want to share a shower with a heterosexual man and asked me to provide reasons why a man wouldn't want to do the same with homosexuals. I then copied and pasted your response and you ridiculed my response. So, if I overlooked your new sentiment about co-ed showers, I apologize. Just don't forget, that was my solution as well.


Who said anything about sharing a shower...? You asked about being in a locker room. I have never been in a locker room where I was forced to share a shower with anyone. The last one I was in had separate stall showers, as well as curtained changing areas. Maybe it's a fundamental difference between female vs. male locker rooms? I dunno. I wouldn't be comfortable sharing a shower with another woman, either. If I found myself in a gym or what have you where the locker room had a communal shower, I simply wouldn't use it and would shower at home.

So... what's your point?
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Who said anything about sharing a shower...? You asked about being in a locker room. I have never been in a locker room where I was forced to share a shower with anyone. The last one I was in had separate stall showers, as well as curtained changing areas. Maybe it's a fundamental difference between female vs. male locker rooms?

Yup, it is. Culturally part of proving how TOTALLY NOT GAY you are literally involves being naked around other men with your limp **** flopping away in the breeze. Also, hitting them in the *** with towels, and of course the oral sex. Wait, I may be confused on that last part, but that's what I was told last time I was at the gym.
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#654 Mar 26 2013 at 8:18 PM Rating: Good
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Who said anything about sharing a shower...? You asked about being in a locker room. I have never been in a locker room where I was forced to share a shower with anyone. The last one I was in had separate stall showers, as well as curtained changing areas. Maybe it's a fundamental difference between female vs. male locker rooms?

Yup, it is. Culturally part of proving how TOTALLY NOT GAY you are literally involves being naked around other men with your limp **** flopping away in the breeze. Also, hitting them in the *** with towels, and of course the oral sex. Wait, I may be confused on that last part, but that's what I was told last time I was at the gym.


That sucks for you guys, I suppose.

However, for the sake of clarity and not because I think Smash is accusing me of this, not being seen naked in the ladies locker room has nothing to do with being afraid I'm being checked out by a lesbian or a "secret man" and more to do with my own self-consciousness and body image issues. Again, if I found myself in that situation, I would just opt not to shower there. Seems easy enough...
#655 Mar 26 2013 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Almalieque wrote:
Because I do recall you saying before that you would feel uncomfortable about sharing showers with heterosexual men.
What does that have to do with a woman with an unknown sexual orientation?
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The problem is that distinction only exists inside your own head. From everyone else who doesn't know you personally's perspective, you are a man disguised as a woman. From an external perspective there's no difference between you dressing that way and using the women's restroom because you identify as female and that's what feels right to you, and a man dressing that way and using the women's restroom because he has a fetish about women in restrooms, or a sexual fantasy, or he's a sexual predator, or any of a dozen different reasons a man might go into the women's restroom.

That's the problem.


This.
And this is why you two, even if you grew up and lived in major metropolises all your lives, are hicks from two-street towns. It's also a great demonstration of the conservative mind-set being correlated with being much more fearful people than the liberal (sorry, progressive in American terms) mind set.

While I'm on a roll ignoring that you two are too small a data set, I'd like to point out that (in Oz, don't have data for USA) women are 20 basis points more progressive than men on social issues, even if they are much closer to men statistically on what they think about fiscal issues.
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Almalieque wrote:
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The problem is that distinction only exists inside your own head. From everyone else who doesn't know you personally's perspective, you are a man disguised as a woman. From an external perspective there's no difference between you dressing that way and using the women's restroom because you identify as female and that's what feels right to you, and a man dressing that way and using the women's restroom because he has a fetish about women in restrooms, or a sexual fantasy, or he's a sexual predator, or any of a dozen different reasons a man might go into the women's restroom.

That's the problem.


This.

That?

You sure?

The problem as stated by gbaji is that it's necessary to butt ones nose into other peoples bathroom business and speculate what they're thinking, what drives their actions and to then finally declare those other people are all victims of a liberal indoctrination and need a good solid conservative to do their decision-making for them.
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Culturally part of proving how TOTALLY NOT GAY you are literally involves being naked around other men with your limp **** flopping away in the breeze.
Oh, it was supposed to be limp?
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#660 Mar 27 2013 at 2:40 PM Rating: Default
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Belkira wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
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In a woman's locker room with you.


What about it? Would I have a problem? Absolutely not. Why would I?



Edited, Mar 26th 2013 8:31pm by Belkira


Because I do recall you saying before that you would feel uncomfortable about sharing showers with heterosexual men. 'Twas the time you listed reasons on why a woman wouldn't want to share a shower with a heterosexual man and asked me to provide reasons why a man wouldn't want to do the same with homosexuals. I then copied and pasted your response and you ridiculed my response. So, if I overlooked your new sentiment about co-ed showers, I apologize. Just don't forget, that was my solution as well.


Who said anything about sharing a shower...? You asked about being in a locker room. I have never been in a locker room where I was forced to share a shower with anyone. The last one I was in had separate stall showers, as well as curtained changing areas. Maybe it's a fundamental difference between female vs. male locker rooms? I dunno. I wouldn't be comfortable sharing a shower with another woman, either. If I found myself in a gym or what have you where the locker room had a communal shower, I simply wouldn't use it and would shower at home.

So... what's your point?


My point being is that everyone doesn't posses the same level of comfort in regards to sexuality. Many people have no problem with open showers, apparently you do (along with others). However, men are often called "homophobic" for stating similar sentiments. You border the line of hypocrisy when ridiculing other reasonable comforts.
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Belkira wrote:
I have never been in a locker room where I was forced to share a shower with anyone. The last one I was in had separate stall showers, as well as curtained changing areas. Maybe it's a fundamental difference between female vs. male locker rooms? I dunno. I wouldn't be comfortable sharing a shower with another woman, either. If I found myself in a gym or what have you where the locker room had a communal shower, I simply wouldn't use it and would shower at home.

So... what's your point?


My junior high and high school gym locker room had one big room with about 14 shower heads. All three locker rooms in our Field House had the same, and every school we visited to play a game at had the same. It's even commonly portrayed on television and in popular media. The few times I was inside the girls locker room I did notice that their showers were walled off individually.

And as early as 10 years ago, hygiene was a graded factor in our high school and junior high gym classes. If you didn't shower you were reprimanded. They didn't care what you did after football practice though...
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#662 Mar 27 2013 at 2:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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And on page 14 we finally make it to the shower controversy. I liked this thread better when it was about sports. Smiley: frown

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#663 Mar 27 2013 at 3:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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In the end it always comes down to whether or not the gays can see your wiener while you're showering.
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Almalieque wrote:
Gbaji wrote:
The problem is that distinction only exists inside your own head. From everyone else who doesn't know you personally's perspective, you are a man disguised as a woman. From an external perspective there's no difference between you dressing that way and using the women's restroom because you identify as female and that's what feels right to you, and a man dressing that way and using the women's restroom because he has a fetish about women in restrooms, or a sexual fantasy, or he's a sexual predator, or any of a dozen different reasons a man might go into the women's restroom.

That's the problem.


This.
And this is why you two, even if you grew up and lived in major metropolises all your lives, are hicks from two-street towns. It's also a great demonstration of the conservative mind-set being correlated with being much more fearful people than the liberal (sorry, progressive in American terms) mind set.

While I'm on a roll ignoring that you two are too small a data set, I'd like to point out that (in Oz, don't have data for USA) women are 20 basis points more progressive than men on social issues, even if they are much closer to men statistically on what they think about fiscal issues.


I'm grew up in an exceedingly small town (700 people in the middle of nowhere — currently residing a town of 2,000 in the middle of nowhere but lived in Minneapolis for a long time) and have no problem with transgender people using the restroom or locker room of their true gender (which would be opposite of their born gender, I suppose). Then again, when I moved to Minneapolis, I lived in the heart of the "gay area." Which, my small town friends never failed to point out.

And **** that progressive ****. I'm a liberal.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Almalieque wrote:
Gbaji wrote:
The problem is that distinction only exists inside your own head. From everyone else who doesn't know you personally's perspective, you are a man disguised as a woman. From an external perspective there's no difference between you dressing that way and using the women's restroom because you identify as female and that's what feels right to you, and a man dressing that way and using the women's restroom because he has a fetish about women in restrooms, or a sexual fantasy, or he's a sexual predator, or any of a dozen different reasons a man might go into the women's restroom.

That's the problem.


This.
And this is why you two, even if you grew up and lived in major metropolises all your lives, are hicks from two-street towns. It's also a great demonstration of the conservative mind-set being correlated with being much more fearful people than the liberal (sorry, progressive in American terms) mind set.

While I'm on a roll ignoring that you two are too small a data set, I'd like to point out that (in Oz, don't have data for USA) women are 20 basis points more progressive than men on social issues, even if they are much closer to men statistically on what they think about fiscal issues.


Your hateful speech doesn't contradict anything mentioned. Just because you can't handle the obvious truth, doesn't make us the bad guys. This is the tactic that people like to do nowadays, to nefariously label people who don't agree with your opinions.
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I work out with a gay friend, and after when we're showing I always make a point of staring at his ***** so he doesn't feel uncomfortable.
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In the end it always comes down to whether or not the gays can see your wiener while you're showering.
I work out with a gay friend, and after when we're showing I always make a point of staring at his ***** so he doesn't feel uncomfortable.


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I made it to page three, and quit out of boredom.

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Almalieque wrote:
Gbaji wrote:
The problem is that distinction only exists inside your own head. From everyone else who doesn't know you personally's perspective, you are a man disguised as a woman. From an external perspective there's no difference between you dressing that way and using the women's restroom because you identify as female and that's what feels right to you, and a man dressing that way and using the women's restroom because he has a fetish about women in restrooms, or a sexual fantasy, or he's a sexual predator, or any of a dozen different reasons a man might go into the women's restroom.

That's the problem.


This.

That?

You sure?

The problem as stated by gbaji is that it's necessary to butt ones nose into other peoples bathroom business and speculate what they're thinking, what drives their actions and to then finally declare those other people are all victims of a liberal indoctrination and need a good solid conservative to do their decision-making for them.


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Almalieque wrote:
Gbaji wrote:
The problem is that distinction only exists inside your own head. From everyone else who doesn't know you personally's perspective, you are a man disguised as a woman. From an external perspective there's no difference between you dressing that way and using the women's restroom because you identify as female and that's what feels right to you, and a man dressing that way and using the women's restroom because he has a fetish about women in restrooms, or a sexual fantasy, or he's a sexual predator, or any of a dozen different reasons a man might go into the women's restroom.

That's the problem.


This.

That?

You sure?

The problem as stated by gbaji is that it's necessary to butt ones nose into other peoples bathroom business and speculate what they're thinking, what drives their actions and to then finally declare those other people are all victims of a liberal indoctrination and need a good solid conservative to do their decision-making for them.


That's not what I quoted. What I quoted was that no knows what you're thinking and the distinction of "I'm a woman in a man's body" vs "I'm a man dressed up like a woman to see women" only applies to that one individual (and the ones that he tells_. No one else can know UNLESS you "butt your nose into their bathroom business and speculate what they're thinking, what drives their actions and to then finally declare any victims if necessary".
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Almalieque wrote:
Your hateful speech doesn't contradict anything mentioned. Just because you can't handle the obvious truth, doesn't make us the bad guys. This is the tactic that people like to do nowadays, to nefariously label people who don't agree with your opinions.

Oooh, I used a tactic that is praised and marked up for in American Debates in education, but is a fail in Logic 101 elsewhere: Attacking-the-Man.
I don't rate down posts, for bad logic or anything else, in the Asylum and move on. That's not olde Asylum rules. I insult and move on. Apparently I insulted hicks from small towns by comparing you two to them. Sorry Grady.
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Almalieque wrote:
Your hateful speech doesn't contradict anything mentioned. Just because you can't handle the obvious truth, doesn't make us the bad guys. This is the tactic that people like to do nowadays, to nefariously label people who don't agree with your opinions.

Oooh, I used a tactic that is praised and marked up for in American Debates in education, but is a fail in Logic 101 elsewhere: Attacking-the-Man.
I don't rate down posts, for bad logic or anything else, in the Asylum and move on. That's not olde Asylum rules. I insult and move on. Apparently I insulted hicks from small towns by comparing you two to them. Sorry Grady.


As long as you understand that you're wrong and that your tactic is futile. I couldn't care less about the actual insults. You would fail in an insult competition.
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Is that...is that supposed to be an insult?

No. I'm not sure how you thought that.
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That's not what I quoted. What I quoted was that no knows what you're thinking and the distinction of "I'm a woman in a man's body" vs "I'm a man dressed up like a woman to see women" only applies to that one individual (and the ones that he tells_. No one else can know UNLESS you "butt your nose into their bathroom business and speculate what they're thinking, what drives their actions and to then finally declare any victims if necessary".

See, thoughts are not crimes. Terrorism is now a grey area, if the state can prove you have been preparing for a terrorist attack. But if a hetero man's man goes into the Ladies' toilets dressed up as a woman, and no-one can tell from body language or other language he's having a fun time looking at the women at the sinks, then I really don't give a ****. No harm, no foul.
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That's not what I quoted. What I quoted was that no knows what you're thinking and the distinction of "I'm a woman in a man's body" vs "I'm a man dressed up like a woman to see women" only applies to that one individual (and the ones that he tells_. No one else can know UNLESS you "butt your nose into their bathroom business and speculate what they're thinking, what drives their actions and to then finally declare any victims if necessary".

See, thoughts are not crimes. Terrorism is now a grey area, if the state can prove you have been preparing for a terrorist attack. But if a hetero man's man goes into the Ladies' toilets dressed up as a woman, and no-one can tell from body language or other language he's having a fun time looking at the women at the sinks, then I really don't give a @#%^. No harm, no foul.


You are missing the point. Why does he have to be dressed up as a woman? Why are you limiting this to the bathrooms and not locker rooms and showers?
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